Budget 2021 Opinions

saabsaab

Well how do you feel about the budget changes. No rants please, just the good and bad. Please don't bring it down to how it affects you alone but how it may benefit the country in general.


I guess the allowance for home working is good as your bills inc broadband will be taken into account.

theguzman

A VAT rate cut from 13.5% to 9% for the hospitality industry, it should be increased to 21% in line with normal VAT, this is the equivalent of giving the ripoff hotels and restaurants a subsidy and they will continue to charge €150 per night for a hotel room, €18 for a burger and €3.50 for a cup of coffee, the tourism industry in Ireland should not get one penny of taxpayers promotional money and should be left to die off until the likes of Premier Inn, Travelodges and Wetherspoons show how to compete properly instead of ripping off everyone like they do in Killarney.

Sam Hain

theguzman wrote: »

A VAT rate cut from 13.5% to 9% for the hospitality industry, it should be increased to 21% in line with normal VAT, this is the equivalent of giving the ripoff hotels and restaurants a subsidy and they will continue to charge €150 per night for a hotel room, €18 for a burger and €3.50 for a cup of coffee, the tourism industry in Ireland should not get one penny of taxpayers promotional money and should be left to die off until the likes of Premier Inn, Travelodges and Wetherspoons show how to compete properly instead of ripping off everyone like they do in Killarney.

Didn't enjoy your staycation, pet?

saabsaab

theguzman wrote: »

A VAT rate cut from 13.5% to 9% for the hospitality industry, it should be increased to 21% in line with normal VAT, this is the equivalent of giving the ripoff hotels and restaurants a subsidy and they will continue to charge €150 per night for a hotel room, €18 for a burger and €3.50 for a cup of coffee, the tourism industry in Ireland should not get one penny of taxpayers promotional money and should be left to die off until the likes of Premier Inn, Travelodges and Wetherspoons show how to compete properly instead of ripping off everyone like they do in Killarney.

Won't argue about Killarney! However, the sector has taken a huge hit this year.

walshb

PBP and Shinners upset that Christmas only once a year..

Kermit.de.frog

I wish we had just one budget where workers got all the goodies and not more welfare all the time.

ILoveYourVibes

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I wish we had just one budget where workers got all the goodies and not more welfare all the time.

Well no raises to any income tax band..so

But i mean there are a LOT OF people not working right now. So you might want to rethink that mentality.

theguzman

Sam Hain wrote: »

Didn't enjoy your staycation, pet?

I had a wonderful staycation in Northern Ireland, I got fantastic value on hotels paying no more than €90 per night for a €200 similarly priced hotel in the RoI. I ate out one evening and was shocked to find my bill was £12.50 or half price under the UK dine-out to help out scheme, the UK subsidy went straight into my pocket not some millionaire FF linked hotelier. I found Belfast and Derry to be two great cities and affordable for me without the ripoff of Dublin or Kerry prices. After the sort of charging I witnessed in Ireland this year I opted for Northern Ireland instead and Ireland has also lost my Wedding for 2021 also due to their ripoff culture. I hope we see plenty hotels, restaurants and pubs close around the country because it is nothing less than they deserve in how they have been ripping off the public for far too long. Irish logic: Customer numbers drop, double prices, when you should drop prices to win customers.

suicide_circus

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Well no raises to any income tax band..so.

Thank you for my own money, oh master!

saabsaab

I see that public spending to be increased by 17.4 B. a fair bit of money no doubt. Will it be enough?

ELM327

Would like to see more details before commenting.
An increase in CO2 based motor tax was expected, good to see that theyve not raised the CC rates as these were higher already than CO2

theguzman

saabsaab wrote: »

I see that public spending to be increased by 17.4 B. a fair bit of money no doubt. Will it be enough?

If it was invested into infrastructure it would pay handsome dividends, instead it is dumped into a black hole and such bailouts and interventions will weaken the economy long term as companies should be left fail and go bankrupt as is capitalism, once again with FF we socialise the losses and privatise the profits ensuring that johnny taxpayer is totally shafted. 80% taxburden here we come. (it is over 70% already).

Thelonious Monk

Pascal said he's upping the carbon tax to align with commitments made in the Paris agreement that FG signed us up for. Why the f*ck is everyone on the internet blaming the Greens for this?

Limpy

For the year thats in it, the Green agenda should be parked up. All money to Health, Housing and Hospitality sectors.

suicide_circus

theguzman wrote: »

I had a wonderful staycation in Northern Ireland, I got fantastic value on hotels paying no more than €90 per night for a €200 similarly priced hotel in the RoI. I ate out one evening and was shocked to find my bill was £12.50 or half price under the UK dine-out to help out scheme, the UK subsidy went straight into my pocket not some millionaire FF linked hotelier. I found Belfast and Derry to be two great cities and affordable for me without the ripoff of Dublin or Kerry prices. After the sort of charging I witnessed in Ireland this year I opted for Northern Ireland instead and Ireland has also lost my Wedding for 2021 also due to their ripoff culture. I hope we see plenty hotels, restaurants and pubs close around the country because it is nothing less than they deserve in how they have been ripping off the public for far too long. Irish logic: Customer numbers drop, double prices, when you should drop prices to win customers.

Yeah i'd have to agree, i find Ireland a ferocious rip off at every turn

Parabellum9

Carbon tax increases and the waste of money on cycling schemes can go ****, as can the Greens.

4bn extra to the health service - I don't have any faith in the HSE not to utterly waste that and shrug their shoulders again next year at the overcrowding.

No additional support for workers but "de homeless" and those who don't work are having a field day out of this.

And an extra 50c on a packet of fags just to inflate the black market a bit more because they haven't learned the idea of cause/effect yet over the past few years.

Nothing to celebrate here at all so far for the average person.

ELM327

Limpy wrote: »

For the year thats in it, the Green agenda should be parked up. All money to Health, Housing and Hospitality sectors.

Agree, we've more important things to worry about than bloody green tokenism to make suburbia feel better about themselves

Thelonious Monk

How are cycling schemes a waste of money? isnt transport important in a well run country?

ELM327

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

How are cycling schemes a waste of money? isnt transport important in a well run country?

cycling is not transport though.

ThewhiteJesus

the more cyclists the better for everyone in my opinion

Thelonious Monk

ELM327 wrote: »

cycling is not transport though.

Then how has it gotten me to work for 20 odd years?

theguzman

Kerry County Council recently increased the Local Property Charge by 7.5% and now they want to squander over €20m on the South Kerry Greenway, destroying a potentially future viable railway, a cycle track in Ireland's rainiest location that will only deliver a handful of masochistic idiots who think that is a holiday into the hands of the hoteliers to be ripped off by the hoteliers. Meanwhile the locals have to endure a road into the area like something out of the congo which that €20m would upgrade amazingly.

Whilst this is just Kerry it shows just how money is squandered nationally, more money should be invested into the National Broadband Plan to get the fibre rollout moving faster, if the Govt had a health care focus they would just ban tobacco products due to all the deaths and illness they cause.

ELM327

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Then how has it gotten me to work for 20 odd years?

Good for you, but not many people will be willing to compromise for that.
In all weathers, arriving smelly and sweaty to the office.


I'm ~70km from my office (which I dont see us going back to any time soon), how would you suggest I "transport" myself there.

enricoh

suicide_circus wrote: »

Yeah i'd have to agree, i find Ireland a ferocious rip off at every turn

Yet if you had a poll should the minimum wage be increased, I reckon 90% would say yes.
It's all linked to prices being charged. Insurance is killing businesses week in week out for the last 10 years, still not sorted by government.
Esb bills going up again with pso levy rise. It's death by a 1000 cuts- nearly all inflicted by the government.

ELM327

enricoh wrote: »

Yet if you had a poll should the minimum wage be increased, I reckon 90% would say yes.
It's all linked to prices being charged. Insurance is killing businesses week in week out for the last 10 years, still not sorted by government.
Esb bills going up again with pso levy rise. It's death by a 1000 cuts- nearly all inflicted by the government.

Increasing minimum wage is not the panacea that low skilled workers think it is.
There will be a break point where jobs are cut because employers can't afford to pay everyone the new min wage

Acosta

I would think that €10 million between Cork and Shannon airports is not nearly enough to keep both operating through this crisis.

Thelonious Monk

ELM327 wrote: »

Good for you, but not many people will be willing to compromise for that.
In all weathers, arriving smelly and sweaty to the office.


I'm ~70km from my office (which I dont see us going back to any time soon), how would you suggest I "transport" myself there.

It's your choice to live that far from work, that is utter madness and this is the kind of lifestyle and car reliance we need to stamp out.
Cycling may not suit you but it sure does many others. How many billions have been spent on bypasses and motorways over the years, a relative pittance is thrown at cycling and people are up in arms.

flintash

half a billion to build 10k houses? thats half a million for a council house, basically. its unreal!

Eamon Ryans pink mask.

He's now a parody of himself.

enricoh

Parabellum9 wrote: »

Carbon tax increases and the waste of money on cycling schemes can go ****, as can the Greens.

4bn extra to the health service - I don't have any faith in the HSE not to utterly waste that and shrug their shoulders again next year at the overcrowding.

No additional support for workers but "de homeless" and those who don't work are having a field day out of this.

And an extra 50c on a packet of fags just to inflate the black market a bit more because they haven't learned the idea of cause/effect yet over the past few years.

Nothing to celebrate here at all so far for the average person.

I can't remember the last budget that rewarded those who work more than those who don't. And they wonder why more n more people want a freebie foreva home!

flintash

flintash wrote: »

half a billion to build 10k houses? thats half a million for a council house, basically. its unreal!

Yeah and as a worker i won't be eligible for one.

suicide_circus

enricoh wrote: »

Yet if you had a poll should the minimum wage be increased, I reckon 90% would say yes.
It's all linked to prices being charged. Insurance is killing businesses week in week out for the last 10 years, still not sorted by government.
Esb bills going up again with pso levy rise. It's death by a 1000 cuts- nearly all inflicted by the government.

Oh i wont argue any of that, a lot of businesses are under enormous pressure. But from lets say a tourist's perspective arriving in Ireland - value for money is appalling.

Brianmwalker

theguzman wrote: »

Kerry County Council recently increased the Local Property Charge by 7.5% and now they want to squander over €20m on the South Kerry Greenway, destroying a potentially future viable railway, a cycle track in Ireland's rainiest location that will only deliver a handful of masochistic idiots who think that is a holiday into the hands of the hoteliers to be ripped off by the hoteliers. Meanwhile the locals have to endure a road into the area like something out of the congo which that €20m would upgrade amazingly.

Whilst this is just Kerry it shows just how money is squandered nationally, more money should be invested into the National Broadband Plan to get the fibre rollout moving faster, if the Govt had a health care focus they would just ban tobacco products due to all the deaths and illness they cause.

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Idbatterim

Parabellum9 wrote: »

Carbon tax increases and the waste of money on cycling schemes can go ****, as can the Greens.

4bn extra to the health service - I don't have any faith in the HSE not to utterly waste that and shrug their shoulders again next year at the overcrowding.

No additional support for workers but "de homeless" and those who don't work are having a field day out of this.

And an extra 50c on a packet of fags just to inflate the black market a bit more because they haven't learned the idea of cause/effect yet over the past few years.

Nothing to celebrate here at all so far for the average person.

Totally agree. Fg are left wing, theyve presided over this **** for years. Socisl housing, social housing! 500,000 euro plus, homes goven away for nothing. No deposit, lpt, management fee, maintance, loan interest. A million euro plus giveaway over a lifetime... after tax! Yet idiots being robbed on housing , still think fg are best suited fpr their beeds lol! Open goal here for any " socially progressive party, that isnt left leaning, like every current option we have ..

Parabellum9

enricoh wrote: »

I can't remember the last budget that rewarded those who work more than those who don't. And they wonder why more n more people want a freebie foreva home!

Must enquire about joining the housing list or getting HAP next year even though I work, what's the point in working your bollix off to pay rents or save for a mortgage? Plenty of money being ****ed at it for next year anyway so there shouldn't be any problems....

PommieBast

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Well no raises to any income tax band..so

I'm keeping an eye out for employer PRSI...

McGinniesta

I have a raging budget stiffy.

UDAWINNER

flintash wrote: »

half a billion to build 10k houses? thats half a million for a council house, basically. its unreal!

its 50000 a house unless my maths is wrong

Idbatterim

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah and as a worker i won't be eligible for one.

Why would you be ? If youre on 40-50k in dublin, youre far too wealthy to qualify, lol! You just pay for others to get it for free, no hope of owning yourself...

Parabellum9

Parabellum9 wrote: »

And an extra 50c on a packet of fags just to inflate the black market a bit more because they haven't learned the idea of cause/effect yet over the past few years.

Nothing to celebrate here at all so far for the average person.

My last year of smoking in Ireland was 2009. I don't think I bought a single packet in Ireland that year.

Not the full on black market but if a friend was going abroad I'd ask them to bring a couple of cartons. When i went on holiday I'd bring back 3 cartons, and my girlfriend who didn't smoke would bring 3 too.

I assume most smokers do this now.

Amirani

Parabellum9 wrote: »

Carbon tax increases and the waste of money on cycling schemes can go ****, as can the Greens.

4bn extra to the health service - I don't have any faith in the HSE not to utterly waste that and shrug their shoulders again next year at the overcrowding.

No additional support for workers but "de homeless" and those who don't work are having a field day out of this.

And an extra 50c on a packet of fags just to inflate the black market a bit more because they haven't learned the idea of cause/effect yet over the past few years.

Nothing to celebrate here at all so far for the average person.

A lot to despair about if you're the average person.

s1ippy

flintash wrote: »

half a billion to build 10k houses? thats half a million for a council house, basically. its unreal!

That's absolutely insane. They're so transparent.

Plus only 7k of the 21k they were going to build this year actually delivered. That's up on their missed target from last year in spite of the pandemic and all. But still absolute rubbish.

ELM327

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's your choice to live that far from work, that is utter madness and this is the kind of lifestyle and car reliance we need to stamp out.
Cycling may not suit you but it sure does many others. How many billions have been spent on bypasses and motorways over the years, a relative pittance is thrown at cycling and people are up in arms.

no road tax/motor tax = no opinion.

Open the Pubs

We must be the most expensive country to own and operate a car in Europe if not the world. I've seen many immigrants here say similar.

Green party clowns just want to tax the average Joe into poverty. Average paid workers can not afford Electric cars or new models. So of course tax the older car owners and petrol diesel out of existence. Our public transport is shambolic most counties North of Dublin don't even have a Train service!

Bridge93

Lads 500m divided by 10,000 houses is not 500k a house

duffman13

PommieBast wrote: »

I'm keeping an eye out for employer PRSI...

Small increase from 394 to 398 for the higher ban. Paschal announced it in his speech

Parabellum9

Deleted User wrote: »

My last year of smoking in Ireland was 2009. I don't think I bought a single packet in Ireland that year.

Not the full on black market but if a friend was going abroad I'd ask them to bring a couple of cartons. When i went on holiday I'd bring back 3 cartons, and my girlfriend who didn't smoke would bring 3 too.

I assume most smokers do this now.

A 30g pouch of rolling tobacco in the shop costs nearly 20e at the moment, a 50g pouch on the black market costs 10e (and it's genuine tobacco not the "sawdust" stuff they make all illegal stuff out to be). They won't realise what they are doing until the arse falls out of tobacco sales here and they see the gaping hole it leaves in the finances.

Thelonious Monk

Open the Pubs wrote: »

We must be the most expensive country to own and operate a car in Europe if not the world. I've seen many immigrants here say similar.

Green party clowns just want to tax the average Joe into poverty. Average paid workers can not afford Electric cars or new models. So of course tax the older car owners and petrol diesel out of existence. Our public transport is shambolic most counties North of Dublin don't even have a Train service!

What part of FG signing us up to the Paris agreement and not the Greens do people not understand?

leahyl

UDAWINNER wrote: »

its 50000 a house unless my maths is wrong

Correct...just did the maths....on the calculator app on my laptop :pac:

gmisk

flintash wrote: »

half a billion to build 10k houses? thats half a million for a council house, basically. its unreal!

No it isn't it is 100k...

1,000,000,000 divided by 10,000

- We are both wrong I thought it was a billion
50k per house... bargain!

Cuttlefish

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

What part of FG signing us up to the Paris agreement and not the Greens do people not understand?

Nonetheless the average person cannot purchase an electric car now at the current prices, even home charging installation costs over €900 to purchase let alone install