Tesla Model 3 - V3.0

sk8board

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121619818#Comment_121619818

That one might be the cheaper one, but it’s a 3yo car with 86,000, it’s only €12/14k less than a new highland, which is always the problem.

the original buyer of this car probably lost 50% in years years on it, but they new LR prices cost a LOT less than this did new.

theres no availability of secondhand Teslas simply because 19/20/21 owners don’t want to crystallise the loss from the price drops and the only thing 99% of them would consider changing to is another Tesla.

Otherwise why would there be 4,000+ new sales registrations since 192 but only 40 for sale.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121621987#Comment_121621987

“Otherwise why would there be 4,000+ new sales registrations since 192 but only 40 for sale.”

Maybe many of them like their cars ?

Maybe with the consistent updates, they don’t feel like a 4 year old car with no tech updates.

sk8board

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121622029#Comment_121622029

well buyers of all new cars usually ‘like their cars’ - its just that Tesla owners seem less likely to sell theirs, and let’s face it, for Tesla drivers, there are only 2 options to replace it, and they already drive one of them.

of the 40 ads for sale, maybe 10 represent any kind of value. It’s bizarrely low for a country with over 4000 sales.

I think the highland will be seen as a different model and owners of older m3 will start to get out of them and prices will drop.

sln852

Does anyone have any experience of having the Tesla mobile service do a tire rotation, brake fluid check and brake caliper service? I was expecting to have to visit the service center but they're saying it's mobile capable.

sk8board

Here’s a great example:

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/35915323

Firstly, they priced the car as “€40” to get into all the alerts or searches, added one (crap) photo, and then says this:

“Don’t need to sell it, but if I get an offer of €40,350 I’ll sell it to upgrade to a model Y”

I mean, honestly! 🙄🙄🙄

Why even post the ad

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121622054#Comment_121622054

Straight forward. They come to you.

Do it in your garden or place of work. The biggest obstacle is the weather. Nothing technically challenging in the above list to be honest.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121622059#Comment_121622059

Plenty of ads like that on DD. ICE and EV. Makes no difference to the fuel source. Idiots are idiots.

sk8board

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121622126#Comment_121622126

Yes absolutely - but we’re specifically talking about why there are genuinely zero M3’s for sale, maybe 5-10 from over 4,000 registrations.

in this case, it’s another dreamer, who is only thinking of changing to a Y, otherwise they’ll presumably keep the 3.

KCross

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121622059#Comment_121622059

I dont see much wrong with the statement itself. He's laying out his stall and telling people not to be giving him low ball offers and wasting time with tyre kickers.... it probably means he doesnt sell it, but sure thats his position... i.e. willing to not sell as he doesnt want to take a massive haircut on a 6mth old car.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121622609#Comment_121622609

This is it. There were posters on here during the week saying they wouldn’t travel to a car unless the price was negotiable. So here’s a seller telling everyone what he wants. Like it or lump it. His/her choice.

Royale with Cheese

I sold my 192 privately just recently, paid €50k brand new and sold for €26k (probably could have got more but wanted rid of it quick and the timing of the sale couldn't have worked out better for me). I needed something bigger so it had to go, depreciation or not. It was company owned though so definitely took the sting out of the depreciation for me.

I shopped it around dealers and got mostly rubbish quotes ranging from 18.5k - 20k. Tesla actually gave me the best quote on it before Christmas at 23.8k but wouldn't take it because it was company owned and I was buying a new car off them privately. One crowd called pricemycar.net who were supposed to shop it around 100+ dealers for you just told me dealers don't want used EVs right now and they wouldn't even bother trying. Then you see dealers sticking the same 4 year old SR+ Model 3s on the forecourt for €30k+. Who in their right mind would pay that when you can order a brand new one, which is a considerably better car, for €42k?

I was fairly happy to get rid of mine anyway, I knew I couldn't keep it long term and I can only see the value of the early Irish Model 3s dropping considerably lower over the course of the year.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121622774#Comment_121622774

“I can only see the value of the early Irish Model 3s dropping considerably lower over the course of the year.”

Thats fairly obvious though. I could say the same thing about early BMW 520d’s. They will drop in value as they get older.

slave1

I agree, to the general public a 2019 M3 "looks" the same as a current one but we all know from MIC late 2021 onwards there is significant difference and the two are now almost incomparable despite appearances

sk8board

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121622609#Comment_121622609

yes it’s his car, he has the keys and logbook so he can list it for €100k if he wants - it’s more the fact that it’s a terrible ad, unreasonable price, and we all know it won’t sell in a month of Sundays - and he’s telling us that if you pay this exorbitant price I’ll be able to buy the Tesla I actually wanted all along.

all I’m saying is that this is an example of why there are no Tesla’s for sale, but other owners simply don’t create an ad in the first place :)

As for the 520d ref above, there are probably 500 520d’s for sale, it’s literally the opposite of this Tesla situation.

KCross

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121623017#Comment_121623017

and we all know it won’t sell in a month of Sundays 

mmm… probably won’t sell, but he is chancing his arm, like alot of the dealers are still doing, that he will find a mug who isnt clued in and wants a nearly new Model 3 at short notice.

Another off thing about the ad is that it is listed as a LR but he says it’s SR. It’s a poor ad for sure.

sk8board

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121623589#Comment_121623589

I’d wager though that no-one is buying a tesla that isn’t clued in. I’ve got m3 ads saved for literally months that haven’t sold, and they’re the mildly overpriced ones mostly.

anything sub €28/29k sells quickly, everything else sits there.

once the highland starts landing and people see the list of incremental improvements, the case for “the best value M3 is a new one” will get even stronger, so either prices drop in the 2nd hand market or cars don’t sell, especially if there’s no supply delay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121623777#Comment_121623777

I'm starting to more and more think that the M3HL may not be so great after all.

The lack of stalks and the speed alert pongs would annoy me. For latter at least it's possible to stop it easily. The headlights seem to be worse than on 2021->, a aspect which is very important to me. That leaves the comfort and noise levels as the remaining major positives.

I kind of like the tightness of the old model now but it could definitely be quieter. On the flipside ours has parking sensors and as the battery seems to be aging well I see no real reason to change. Plus it's paid for so as close to a free ride as it can be really.

sk8board

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121624748#Comment_121624748

Exactly - and there’s loads of Tesla owners just like yourself.

but everyone sells eventually.

handpref

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121597418#Comment_121597418

Just in

mun1

Id expect the stock M3’s will drop in price over next week as MY has come down to price match the M3. MY now down to €43k, so M3 will drop to sub €40k

FaaF

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121627403#Comment_121627403

Yeah, I expect the same but possibly by mid-late February. I suspect they'll get the traditional surge in orders for a 2024 plate, combined with the surge in orders given the new facelift, delivered first. Otherwise, they'll need to cut prices for lots of cars in transit.

A drop to €40,000 would remove VRT entirely via VRT relief. A drop to €38-€39k would likely see more people tick the option boxes for colours or alloys as it'd remove most of the VRT applied to the option price.

slave1

..and the good news for folks with open orders is that Tesla lower the price to customer for price drops

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121626481#Comment_121626481

Luckily there is plenty of competition now and pretty much everybody are dropping their prices. If the cost cutting measures affect sales, I hope the manufacturer takes a note and will improve the product.

slave1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121624748#Comment_121624748

I agree, I've a few roundabouts close to home and those indicators will be a disaster for the brain while concentrating on two multi land roundabouts in quick succession. Tesla Vision is just shocking. The highland has same battery, same drivetrain which is the same guts with some nice features I'd like e.g. audio, ride comfort, but stalkless/TV will keep me in my 221 M3 for a long time to come. Opening of SuC network eats into things also, may as well go for a Seal next once it establishes itself.

Jofspring

People in Ireland are bad enough for using indicators on stalks. The ones on the steering wheel will just make a lot of people even lazier and they will just stop using them altogether.

Royale with Cheese

Lacks of stalks would be a dealbreaker for me. It would annoy me but I'm sure I'd learn to live without them. I share the car with my wife though and I already have to put up with moaning about stupid design decisions they've made like having to open the glovebox through the screen, no centre screen or heads up display, having to tell everyone who gets into the car for the first (or usually first 5+) times how to open the doors when they're getting out, rubbish autowipers and needing to use the screen to turn them on manually. Fúcking with the indicators is a step too far, can't be arsed with that.

I just bought a new Y, not waiting around for a stalkless refreshed version, even if it ends up being slightly cheaper. It's still missing the parking sensors my 3 had though 😒

slave1

Just to add, there is a stalk add on from a 3rd Party however this is now more complex as Tesla have moved the Highland OBD port to the front of the car and it is unpowered so an additional harness and wiring run is required making a DIY more complex

eagerv

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121627403#Comment_121627403

Model Y is actually a little less now, down to €41,832

Woodie40

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121622039#Comment_121622039

There are more than two options available to Tesla drivers, we changed/upgraded a Tesla to an Audi EV.

sk8board

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121627786#Comment_121627786

absolutely fair enough, but I think in general most Tesla drivers are like the post just above you, who moved from the 3 to the Y.

id love to see what % of Y sales had a Tesla before it