Passat v Octavia / Superb

Mickotipp

Hi all. I’ve a budget of €8500 max and was set on trying to get a 2014 Passat, 1.6 Diesel. Someone suggested trying Skoda also. I haven’t driven either models but am wondering on peoples opinions on which are better. The Superbs look nice and there’s a few on DoneDeal for my budget. There aren’t as many Passats in the same range. Any help or advice appreciated. Thanks

colm_mcm

Passat will be old shape, which is a development of the 2005 model.
Octavia will be newer in terms of tech but the Passat would still be nicer finished inside
Jetta would be worth a shot IMO. They’re usually 2.0 110PS and escaped the dieselgate drama (As did the mk3 Octavia)

bazz26

Renault Fluence is worth a look at:



https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2617048&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D72%26o%5B%5D%3D2169%26f%3D2%26yn%3D2015%26yx%3D2015%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

Mickotipp

colm_mcm wrote: »

Passat will be old shape, which is a development of the 2005 model.
Octavia will be newer in terms of tech but the Passat would still be nicer finished inside
Jetta would be worth a shot IMO. They’re usually 2.0 110PS and escaped the dieselgate drama (As did the mk3 Octavia)

When you mention the Jetta would be 110PS, is that the same as 110bhp? Also, not sure what the dieselgate drama is??

grayzer75

colm_mcm wrote: »

Passat will be old shape, which is a development of the 2005 model.
Octavia will be newer in terms of tech but the Passat would still be nicer finished inside
Jetta would be worth a shot IMO. They’re usually 2.0 110PS and escaped the dieselgate drama (As did the mk3 Octavia)

I had a 2017 Jetta 2.0 150PS GT and it was a brilliant car to drive. No issues with dieselgate on that one either. I had a Passat prior to it and I have to say the Jetta was a much better driving car. There is f-all difference in the boot space between both either.

Same as this but in white:
https://www.agnewcars.com/volkswagen/used-car-details/used-volkswagen-jetta-20-tdi-gt-4dr-saloon-deep-black-manual-diesel/id-1906197266405/

colm_mcm

Mickotipp wrote: »

When you mention the Jetta would be 110PS, is that the same as 110bhp? Also, not sure what the dieselgate drama is??

Yes 110PS is roughly 110bhp. Diesel gate was the VW emissions scandal where they engineered the cars to do well in emissions testing but not in real driving. There was a recall where updated hardware/software was fitted which had bad side effects for reliability and performance.

vectra

Try to go for at least a 2015 Passat if going for one.
Lovely car to drive.

colm_mcm

Not sure if the budget would cover a half decent one

nsnoefc1878

vectra wrote: »

Try to go for at least a 2015 Passat if going for one.
Lovely car to drive.

Not gonna find one without huge mileage for the 8500 budget, if at all.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2015-volkswagen-passat-1-6-diesel-automatic/26182482

Low mileage and looks clean.

Might get that close to budget, private sale by the looks of it.

Mickotipp

nsnoefc1878 wrote: »

Not gonna find one without huge mileage for the 8500 budget, if at all.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2015-volkswagen-passat-1-6-diesel-automatic/26182482

Low mileage and looks clean.


Might get that close to budget, private sale by the looks of it.

That looks like a good buy. Doubt they’d drop to €8500 though!

vectra

Mickotipp wrote: »

That looks like a good buy. Doubt they’d drop to €8500 though!

I would advise to look for a 2.0 one over the 1.6, I know of many people that went for the 1.6 and were regretting not getting the 2.0.

Mickotipp

https://www.capitalmotors.ie/car-details/?2650376/

I assume the Mondeo wouldn’t be in the same league as a Passat or Superb?

bazz26

That 2015 Passat seems suspiciously cheap to me.

bazz26

Get one with a proper sized engine.

Kowerski

Octavia is smaller to the Passat so you need to compare the Passat v the Superb

colm_mcm

Mickotipp wrote: »

https://www.capitalmotors.ie/car-details/?2650376/

I assume the Mondeo wouldn’t be in the same league as a Passat or Superb?

No.

vectra

colm_mcm wrote: »

No.

I can only speak of the mk5 mondeo.
It would be much more comfortable than the Passat.

colm_mcm

vectra wrote: »

I can only speak of the mk5 mondeo.
It would be much more comfortable than the Passat.

Previous generation Mondeo is nasty inside by comparison.
OP might squeeze a newer model into the budget.

Mickotipp

Ok people are suggesting a 2.0 litre diesel now, rather than 1.6. At the moment I have a 2.0l 2010 Avensis and I don’t think it’s very economical, I’d be getting the 1.6 version purely for economy. Or am I wrong on this and have things changed?

colm_mcm

Mickotipp wrote: »

Ok people are suggesting a 2.0 litre diesel now, rather than 1.6. At the moment I have a 2.0l 2010 Avensis and I don’t think it’s very economical, I’d be getting the 1.6 version purely for economy. Or am I wrong on this and have things changed?

1.6 stuff tends to be underpowered, Avensiss are normally pretty good for economy so maybe yours isn’t 100%.

bazz26

Small engine in a big car doesn't equate to more economical. The small engine has to work harder to move the big car so uses more fuel.

no.8

Kowerski wrote:

Octavia is smaller to the Passat so you need to compare the Passat v the Superb

Depends where you are looking. The boot volume for Octavia's is than a match for the Passat (saloon or Estate). Overall yes, but maybe not in the areas that are important.

nsnoefc1878

Mickotipp wrote: »

That looks like a good buy. Doubt they’d drop to €8500 though!

Probably not but selling 9k+ cars privately isn't easy, so it's worth a try. I'd be astonished if they turned down 9k, they'd be mental really.

rachaelf750

I've my head turned for a black mazda 6 lately.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars/Mazda/6?price_from=8000&price_to=10999&colour=Black

colm_mcm

nsnoefc1878 wrote: »

Probably not but selling 9k+ cars privately isn't easy, so it's worth a try. I'd be astonished if they turned down 9k, they'd be mental really.

To be fair, it’s already well priced compared to what’s out there. Of course nobody wants to pay full price for anything but even at full price given the mileage and the fact that there’s no VRT and NOX to pay, it’s a good deal and it will sell.

theoneeyedman

vectra wrote: »

I would advise to look for a 2.0 one over the 1.6, I know of many people that went for the 1.6 and were regretting not getting the 2.0.

Have been told several times to avoid that VAG 1.6 unit, chews injectors apparently.

colm_mcm

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Have been told several times to avoid that VAG 1.6 unit, chews injectors apparently.

I think the newer MQB platformed cars are way better in that regard?

Iodine1

Mickotipp wrote: »

https://www.capitalmotors.ie/car-details/?2650376/

I assume the Mondeo wouldn’t be in the same league as a Passat or Superb?

Mondeo is a nicer drive than either and if you go above the base model, generally will have better specification.

vectra

Mickotipp wrote: »

Ok people are suggesting a 2.0 litre diesel now, rather than 1.6. At the moment I have a 2.0l 2010 Avensis and I don’t think it’s very economical, I’d be getting the 1.6 version purely for economy. Or am I wrong on this and have things changed?

I had a 2.0 B8 (2015) Passat and driving at 115kph on a dublin trip could give me 64mpg.

Mickotipp

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/26077388

What are peoples thoughts on this car?

beggars_bush

Mickotipp wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/26077388

What are peoples thoughts on this car?

Who swaps a car?

Toyotafanboi

16 inch tint visor with VW logo, limo tints all round. She's junior management drug dealer spec. Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

Mickotipp

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

16 inch tint visor with VW logo, limo tints all round. She's junior management drug dealer spec. Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

Ya I don’t even know what they are? What are limo tints?

FrankC21

bazz26 wrote: »

Renault Fluence is worth a look at:



https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2617048&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D72%26o%5B%5D%3D2169%26f%3D2%26yn%3D2015%26yx%3D2015%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

Yeah boi, you should see mine put chrome trims all around the window and samurai lip front bumper

colm_mcm

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

16 inch tint visor with VW logo, limo tints all round. She's junior management drug dealer spec. Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

Notable mention to the fancy font “Volkswagen Passat” sticker on the bottom of the windscreen, and the vertically stacked windscreen discs.



Guaranteed ballbag.


Also, note the rosary beads around the gearknob.

Mickotipp

Ok scrap that Passat. No point wasting my time looking at it.

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/25831569

Would probably get this for €6500

Kowerski

What is the requirements for the car? do you need diesel? do you need a big car? etc

Mickotipp

Kowerski wrote: »

What is the requirements for the car? do you need diesel? do you need a big car? etc

I have a 2010 2.0 diesel but don’t find it very economical. Was set on a 1.6 Diesel Passat for economy purposes. I drive average 500km a week. 2 kids also. If a 2.0 Passat is as economical as a 1.6, I’d definitely get one. Also open to an Octavia or Superb.

Toyotafanboi

Have you worked out how long it will take you to save back the cost to change?

If you increased from 40mpg to 50mpg which would be colossal IMO, a 25% improvement in economy, doing 500kms a week you'd be saving €9.15 a week or €475 a year.

If you spend a few grand changing car, you'd actually be losing.

Mickotipp

Ya I get ya. I need to change the car anyway. Just to decide whether to get a 1.6 or 2.0 is all

bazz26

If your not finding a 2.0d Avensis economical then either your expectations are too high or it is not running right.

Kowerski

Mickotipp wrote: »

I have a 2010 2.0 diesel but don’t find it very economical. Was set on a 1.6 Diesel Passat for economy purposes. I drive average 500km a week. 2 kids also. If a 2.0 Passat is as economical as a 1.6, I’d definitely get one. Also open to an Octavia or Superb.

A diesel Avensis would be one of the most economical cars around. Changing the car to be more economical will not end well.


500km a week is not big mileage. Are you doing long/short trips? you dont have budget for electric cars but that is the only car that will reduce your fuel expenditure

photosmart

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Have been told several times to avoid that VAG 1.6 unit, chews injectors apparently.

Hi there


I had that problem last year with my 161 seat leon - I had to get injectors changed - lad who fixed it and specialised in them said it was a common problem with that 1.6tdi unit and that tolerances were too tight (even if its a low probability and I was unlucky).





If I was buying a VAG again I would try to avoid but the 1.6 units are a lot cheaper than the same car equivalent in 2.0.

Mickotipp

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/26010295

Looked at this today. Seems ok. Nice and clean on inside. Timing belt done. €7800 bottom price.

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/26173931
Looking at this one then tomorrow. Would probably get it for around €8k. Don’t think the interior is as nice. Higher mileage too even though it’s a year newer.

Drove a Superb too today. They’re massive...too big so I’ve those crossed off my list!

salamiii

i rented a lot of passats i don't like them driving

and inside is not comfortable

colm_mcm

Mickotipp wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/26010295

Looked at this today. Seems ok. Nice and clean on inside. Timing belt done. €7800 bottom price.

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/26173931
Looking at this one then tomorrow. Would probably get it for around €8k. Don’t think the interior is as nice. Higher mileage too even though it’s a year newer.

Drove a Superb too today. They’re massive...too big so I’ve those crossed off my list!

What’s the very most you’d spend? You’re close to current model Passat with what you’d be spending there.
Close, as in a few grand away, money well spent IMO.

elperello

The Superb and Passat from 2014 are the same length and width.

The Superb just uses the length better and is much bigger in the cabin especially rear legroom.

If I were you I'd go for the best condition car and wouldn't be hung up on which model.

colm_mcm

Superb is 70mm longer. Not a huge amount.

vectra

colm_mcm wrote: »

Superb is 70mm longer. Not a huge amount.

Not what she said :pac::D

9935452

Mickotipp wrote: »

I have a 2010 2.0 diesel but don’t find it very economical. Was set on a 1.6 Diesel Passat for economy purposes. I drive average 500km a week. 2 kids also. If a 2.0 Passat is as economical as a 1.6, I’d definitely get one. Also open to an Octavia or Superb.

I had a seat leon 1.6 diesel for a day a while ago. At 80kmph the dash said it was doing 70mpg.
On the motorway at 125kmph it said 48mpg.
My 2l A4 is doing 60mpg at 125kmph on the motorway.

FrankC21

Kowerski wrote: »

A diesel Avensis would be one of the most economical cars around. Changing the car to be more economical will not end well.


500km a week is not big mileage. Are you doing long/short trips? you dont have budget for electric cars but that is the only car that will reduce your fuel expenditure

Just curious, is 2.0 avensis more economical than 1.5 dci fluence