New motor tax and excise to be introduced

saabsaab

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https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/tax-group-eyes-diesel-levies-and-motor-tax-bands-ahead-of-budget-1.4354690


Government to pull the trigger on tax, low hanging fruit? Is it enough?

Akesh

Yes, increase the costs of going to work/working in this country... Brilliant idea. I also find the idea that 'climate change' being the driver for some of these potential increases to be insulting to the general population. The government doesn't care about climate change and that is proven by the NTA/Irish Rail continuously overcharging for a terrible service.

saabsaab

To be fair many aren't or home working now. It would be better to have a single simple system though.

beggars_bush

Not a chance this will be done this year

Covid
Brexit

Cee-Jay-Cee

What a load of utter Shiite, a bunch of arseholes gathered around a table trying to come up with a new way to screw people by making an already complicated ridiculous two tier system into an even more complicated 3 tier system. They say themselves that average tax dropped from €443 in 2015 to €346 last year so why not one single tax rate of €450 for everyone regardless of car size, age or value. No one could complain as everyone pays the same amount and no more stupid baseless tax systems which penalise the poor and reward the rich.

Akesh

saabsaab wrote: »

To be fair many aren't or home working now. It would be better to have a single simple system though.

That's a bit short sighted to say the least.

saabsaab

beggars_bush wrote: »

Not a chance this will be done this year

Covid
Brexit

I wouldn't say that. Excise has dropped, tax down fuel price at the pump lower than in a long time just the right time.

Heres Johnny

beggars_bush wrote: »

Not a chance this will be done this year

Covid
Brexit

I thought the same as you but there's too much talk of it in the media now and by trade groups like SIMI. I think it's a done deal now.

chalky_ie

"People have been paying far too little VRT", christ. What a load of nonsense.

elperello

I hope they don't increase the motor tax rates on existing cars.

These cars are not going anywhere until they reach end of life so no point in making them more expensive to run.

Also about time they abolished the cc rates. The cars are now at least 12 years old and have more than paid their dues.

timple23

If the average tax rate has dropped, doesn't that mean that people are using/buying lower emission cars?

saabsaab

Why?


I guess it could be on the excise the more you drive the more you pay. Simple!

California Dreamer

As ever with this country its leak the story to the press. Let us have a few weeks to get used to it and don't be surprised when its introduced. The covid payment ain't free money!!!

bazz26

The same rubbish was spouted in the papers this time last year and every other year, pure click bate. The OP also seems to be a little obsessive with wanting motorists to pay more taxes going by these similar themed threads he starts every now and then. The whole thing is a bit sad really. Expect the same thing to be repeated over and over again now in order to keep the thread bumped to the top of the forum to stay relevant.

PsychoPete

More of the same nonsense from the media with the typical sh!te like increase motor tax, diesel will be banned,evs are the future blah blah blah. Just save yourself the hassle and don't buy into that rubbish

mikeecho

That's what happens when you give green a vote.

saabsaab

bazz26 wrote: »

The same rubbish was spouted in the papers this time last year and every other year, pure click bate. The OP also seems to be a little obsessive with wanting motorists to pay more taxes going by these similar themed threads he starts every now and then. The whole thing is a bit sad really. Expect the same thing to be repeated over and over again now in order to keep the thread bumped to the top of the forum to stay relevant.

Certainly got a reaction from you anyway. Ironic that you are also keeping it relevant.

Idbatterim

The geniuses worked out that near free motor tax for nearly all cars was an idiotic idea ? Lol ! Why should diesel have lower rates than petrol. They are financially screwed here now, they will slightly address the idiotic decision making that has cost them billions in lost revenue

Perhaps if they copped on and made vat claimable on petrol many diesels would disappear.

Many, many diesel cars are small business owners registered for vat.

Its beyond stupid that they havent done this simple thing yet.

User1998

bazz26 wrote: »

The OP also seems to be a little obsessive with wanting motorists to pay more taxes going by these similar themed threads he starts every now and then. The whole thing is a bit sad really.

I knew I recognised the name from somewhere

RandomViewer

Most of the public servants who come up with these ideas don't even drive, you increase the price of motoring you take away discretionary spending elsewhere so increase unemployment even further, cheap stuff ,if the government focused on lowering the cost of motoring, accommodation and electricity they would free up money for hardpressed workers who would spend in the economy and create more jobs,
If some one on 20k or so is currently spending 50-60 Euro to get to work and the cost goes to 80 problem 90 Euro they might just say Fxxk this and give up work.

Atlantic Dawn

mikeecho wrote: »

That's what happens when you give green a vote.

Their policy of encouraging diesel cars and wood burning stoves has killed many multiples of what Covid has, no journalist will address this.

Atlantic Dawn

RandomViewer wrote: »

Most of the public servants who come up with these ideas don't even drive, you increase the price of motoring you take away discretionary spending elsewhere so increase unemployment even further, cheap stuff ,if the government focused on lowering the cost of motoring, accommodation and electricity they would free up money for hardpressed workers who would spend in the economy and create more jobs,
If some one on 20k or so is currently spending 50-60 Euro to get to work and the cost goes to 80 problem 90 Euro they might just say Fxxk this and give up work.

A lot of them do, the idea some years ago to tax employees if their employer provided them with a parking space was shot down as it would have impacted too many civil servants.

saabsaab

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

A lot of them do, the idea some years ago to tax employees if their employer provided them with a parking space was shot down as it would have impacted too many civil servants.

I doubt that. Civil servants have to look at the overall picture in coming to any decision on policy change. They can be too conservative and reluctant to change though.

ohnonotgmail

saabsaab wrote: »

I doubt that. Civil servants have to look at the overall picture in coming to any decision on policy change. They can be too conservative and reluctant to change though.

no reason for you to doubt it. it was well publicised at the time. They were going to tax the value of a car parking space as BIK. For a space in a city center car park that would get expensive.

creedp

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

A lot of them do, the idea some years ago to tax employees if their employer provided them with a parking space was shot down as it would have impacted too many civil servants.

They should really look at increasing BIK on company cars as that would reduce the number of such cars given out at a tax efficient way of increasing salaries. At least it wouldn't impact on themselves.

saabsaab

mikeecho wrote: »

That's what happens when you give green a vote.

The usual using the greens as whipping boys. There is no point in blaming the greens. All parties are going to look for new taxes where they can now.

A system where car tax is moved to extra excise on fossil fuels would be the best way to go not introducing a third tax system!

Heres Johnny

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Perhaps if they copped on and made vat claimable on petrol many diesels would disappear.

Many, many diesel cars are small business owners registered for vat.

Its beyond stupid that they havent done this simple thing yet.

100% agreed. I'd be in PHEV 530e tomorrow if it happened. Currently in a6 diesel. But I suppose someone would inherit my diesel car. Older diesels could be scrapped.

4068ac1elhodqr

You can thank Gretna.

saabsaab

Anaya Obedient Body wrote: »

You can thank Gretna.

??

elperello

Anaya Obedient Body wrote: »

You can thank Gretna.

Is it Gretna Green (the wedding venue) or Greta the Green (the environmental campaigner) you are referring to?

Either way the people who make fiscal and environmental policy for Ireland are closer to home.

FF/FG/GP re the current incumbents and the thanks or blame belongs to them.

saabsaab

saabsaab wrote: »

I doubt that. Civil servants have to look at the overall picture in coming to any decision on policy change. They can be too conservative and reluctant to change though.

You doubt we drive? You should see the car parks in many of the departments. You do realise there is life and employment outside of Dublin which has no public transport system!

beggars_bush

We're a small island off the west coast of europe.
We can only import cars from one European country

The government should be trying to make motoring cheaper

saabsaab

SouthWesterly wrote: »

You doubt we drive? You should see the car parks in many of the departments. You do realise there is life and employment outside of Dublin which has no public transport system!

No. I doubt that Civil Servants at high level make policy based on their own travel arrangements.

saabsaab

beggars_bush wrote: »

We're a small island off the west coast of europe.
We can only import cars from one European country

The government should be trying to make motoring cheaper

We should be trying to move away from it. We are too dependent on ICE

beggars_bush

saabsaab wrote: »

We should be trying to move away from it. We are too dependent on ICE

We should change to driving on the right

saabsaab

beggars_bush wrote: »

We should change to driving on the right

We should like most of Europe but i doubt most would be in favour of that.

elperello

saabsaab wrote: »

We should like most of Europe but i doubt most would be in favour of that.

Border is the reason we can't do it.

saabsaab

elperello wrote: »

Border is the reason we can't do it.

Not when there is 32 county Republic

elperello

saabsaab wrote: »

Not when there is 32 county Republic

Above my pay grade

Atlantic Dawn

beggars_bush wrote: »

We're a small island off the west coast of europe.
We can only import cars from one European country

The government should be trying to make motoring cheaper

Cyprus could be another option if import duties are added to UK imports.

elperello

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Cyprus could be another option if import duties are added to UK imports.

+ Malta

elperello

elperello wrote: »

+ Malta

+India, Australia, much of southern Africa and several South East Asian countries.

elperello

Deleted User wrote: »

+India, Australia, much of southern Africa and several South East Asian countries.

Japan too but they are not EU countries.

Depending on the Brexit final deal the UK might still be more viable due to shipping costs.

creedp

elperello wrote: »

Border is the reason we can't do it.

I would have thought the main reason against it relates to our own drivers causing carnage at the 1st roundabout they hit! While the border is an added complication it isn't the only one.

TCM

mikeecho wrote:

That's what happens when you give green a vote.

The only thing Greens give to the country is increased taxation, nothing more.

creedp

creedp wrote: »

I would have thought the main reason against it relates to our own drivers causing carnage at the 1st roundabout they hit! While the border is an added complication it isn't the only one.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
There are only two (main) variants of car, those with the steering wheel on the left and those on the right, in the future of self driving, there won't be any, or it will be entirely "by wire" which would make it possible to move it either side depending on where you drive.
Changing an entire country just to get around Brexit is absolute madness.


It made sense for Belgium, Sweden and other European countries to make the change early in the 20th century when there were far fewer vehicles on the roads and simple road infrastructure and being surrounded by LHD countries. These days with all the specially constructed "handed" junctions, it would be much more costly.
Spain and Italy had a mixture of LHD and RHD when motoring started!


In the UK throughout the 1960s, they built "ambidextrous" motorway junctions in case the switch was ever made, that plan was abandoned sometime in the 1970s and will never be revisited due to the costs involved. Same for Japan.

Leonard Hofstadter

elperello wrote: »

Japan too but they are not EU countries.

Depending on the Brexit final deal the UK might still be more viable due to shipping costs.

Import duties are being phased out on Jap imports thanks to the EU Japan trade deal. They might start to become a viable option again if there is a hard Brexit.

creedp

Leonard Hofstadter wrote: »

Import duties are being phased out on Jap imports thanks to the EU Japan trade deal. They might start to become a viable option again if there is a hard Brexit.

We'll need something here otherwise the supply of used cars will collapse and their price will go through the roof. Of course reducing / removing VRT would compensate somewhat making new cars more affordable meaning more people could actually buy them and supply a home grown used car market .. wouldn't hold a breath for that though

i57dwun4yb1pt8

Anaya Obedient Body wrote: »

You can thank Gretna.

Gretna Carbo ?

saabsaab

Taxes on buying new ICE cars unlikely to reduce, in fact may increase. Road tax is due a change.