Anyone get addicted to street drugs through prescribed pain relief?

Webuser.

I couldn't believe the unofficial stats I heard from a police officer in the USA

He said 90% of the heroin users he meets told him they started on oxycontin and the like.

Easy enough to see how it starts with pain and then you.migrate to the cheaper opoids on the street.

greenspurs

Welcome back Mr.

Its been a while.

Mango Joe

Yes. Yes I did Officer. Do you need my Eircode?

D3V!L

Hello fellow drug user, do you have any narcotics I can purchase from you ? :pac:

Errashareesh

Massive problem in the so called "rust belt" (former hubs of heavy industry) due to workplace injuries (and other factors). Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and the former coal mining regions of Kentucky and West Virginia.

Apparently some fella by the name of Trump is gonna sort it out.

begbysback

It is a good question though, it seems the problem is with the type of drug prescribed and it’s strength in the us, oxy is apparently very addictive, and overprescribed in the us. Compare that to Ireland, if there is any overprescribing here then its most likely Valium, which would be cheaper getting from a doctor than purchasing off the street, so not many would end up as a street addict.

Maybe morphine would be in the same category as oxy, but I’ve never heard of anyone getting prescribed that for any prolonged period of time here for anything other than cancer.

Webuser.

Errashareesh wrote: »

Massive problem in the so called "rust belt" (former hubs of heavy industry) due to workplace injuries (and other factors). Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and the former coal mining regions of Kentucky and West Virginia.

Apparently some fella by the name of Trump is gonna sort it out.

Makes sense , work related injuries and prob not enough health insurance

The story went that the Mexican cartels spotted the market for the cheaper heroin replacement for the prescription drugs and went for it.About 1/3 of the cost of the prescribed medication.

There's prob a bigger picture to all this

Webuser.

begbysback wrote: »

It is a good question though, it seems the problem is with the type of drug prescribed and it’s strength in the us, oxy is apparently very addictive, and overprescribed in the us. Compare that to Ireland, if there is any overprescribing here then its most likely Valium, which would be cheaper getting from a doctor than purchasing off the street, so not many would end up as a street addict.

Maybe morphine would be in the same category as oxy, but I’ve never heard of anyone getting prescribed that for any prolonged period of time here for anything other than cancer.

The problem started with the aggressive marketing of very addictive pain relief

The pharmaceutical companies kept the addictive side of it under wraps in pursuit of profut

frozenfrozen

those oxy are very moreish

Webuser.

Another interesting thing is that the heroin began to be laced with fentanyl by the cartels

Now in some places you can only get fentanyl ,.there is no heroin available on the street at all

Hector Savage

Big problem in USA, but you can get really strong stuff over the counter there, and they can prescribe stuff that is illegal in the EU.

Mad stuff Ted ...

begbysback

Webuser. wrote: »

The problem started with the aggressive marketing of very addictive pain relief

The pharmaceutical companies kept the addictive side of it under wraps in pursuit of profut

There have been a few eye opening documentaries on Netflix in the past year regarding the opiate problem in the US, the pharmacist is one, some others too, also Heroin cape cod on YouTube is very good, all have the same common theme where users start out on oxy, and if I remember correctly ossie Osbornes son had a problem with it too.

endacl

greenspurs wrote: »

Welcome back Mr.

Its been a while.

There is a subtle aroma of Feg...

punisher5112

Prescription pain killers are a scourge especially opioids.

In the 90s doctors were against them and they were known to be addictive and the 2000s hit and it all changed....
Big big money to be made and prescribe as much as possible....

Its really sad to see people's lives ruined and families destroyed over it.


Seen a documentary on it where 2 sisters got hooked after one was in a crash and was given opioids to help with back pain she moved onto harder drugs and then got her sister on them too. These sisters were brought up well and had a very good life and pissed it all away from the addiction, one died and the other was going to rehab after rehab.. very very sad to see such waste

Webuser.

punisher5112 wrote: »

Prescription pain killers are a scourge especially opioids.

In the 90s doctors were against them and they were known to be addictive and the 2000s hit and it all changed....
Big big money to be made and prescribe as much as possible....

Its really sad to see people's lives ruined and families destroyed over it.


Seen a documentary on it where 2 sisters got hooked after one was in a crash and was given opioids to help with back pain she moved onto harder drugs and then got her sister on them too. These sisters were brought up well and had a very good life and pissed it all away from the addiction, one died and the other was going to rehab after rehab.. very very sad to see such waste

I've been in rehab twice and by comparison the main ones I seen here is the addiction to the nurofen type drugs available over the counter

The other major change I seen was the increase in cocaine addiction nationwide

McGinniesta

Dirty bleedin' junkies

Vic_08

Webuser. wrote: »

I've been in rehab twice and by comparison the main ones I seen here is the addiction to the nurofen type drugs available over the counter

Ibuprofen (nurofen) is not addictive.

I seriously doubt anyone with an addiction that has been in rehab twice wouldn't know what drugs are moreish.

dartboardio

No shxt sherlock.

They all produce the same high.

Prescribed medicine are just as 'good' if not better or stronger than weed or other relaxants, or even stimulants

Dont know why you see them as a stepping stone...

When I used to 'like' drugs I would rather take Lyrica than smoke a joint. The effects were honestly euphoric, made me a better person (in my eyes back then)

Webuser.

Vic_08 wrote: »

Ibuprofen (nurofen) is not addictive.

I seriously doubt anyone with an addiction that has been in rehab twice wouldn't know what drugs are moreish.

Maybe I got the name wrong it's not my addiction

They spend their time or did travelling to different pharmacies throughout the day

Webuser.

In the span of 20 years between my 2 stints in rehab the biggest change was the number of people with cocaine+alcohol addictions

TheBlackPill

Vic_08 wrote: »

Ibuprofen (nurofen) is not addictive.

I seriously doubt anyone with an addiction that has been in rehab twice wouldn't know what drugs are moreish.

Nurofen plus is laced with codeine

Webuser.

TheBlackPill wrote: »

Nurofen plus is laced with codeine

A lad I used to talk to his liver was wrecked , he wasn't that old

Worked a 9-5

4068ac1elhodqr

Has resulted in a decline of the average life expectancy (year on year), in the world's most powerful and wealthy nation.
A problem long, long before Trump ever came to power.
'BigPharma' is the bad guy here.

Webuser.

Webuser. wrote: »

In the span of 20 years between my 2 stints in rehab the biggest change was the number of people with cocaine+alcohol addictions

Better to be a web user than a drug user I say, although there must be a few scorch marks from being nuked off this site numerous times.

punisher5112

There are so many drugs I can't take due to what I work at....

Errashareesh

Errashareesh wrote: »

Massive problem in the so called "rust belt" (former hubs of heavy industry) due to workplace injuries (and other factors). Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and the former coal mining regions of Kentucky and West Virginia.

Apparently some fella by the name of Trump is gonna sort it out.

Oddly enough, it's one of the few areas where Trump has followed through on his promises. The FDA under Bush and Obama were way too swayed by pharma companies like Purdue. Trump's appointee to the FDA actually put a rein on the widespread opioid prescribing. Unfortunately it's about a decade too late because as pointed out, heroin has come in.

Obama's administration had a massive blindspot for the problem, seeing it as a user problem and not a crisis caused by mass prescribing, even after the CDC called it an epidemic in 2011.

Esel

Webuser. wrote: »

A lad I used to talk to his liver was wrecked , he wasn't that old

Worked a 9-5

I like Saabs.

punisher5112

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Oddly enough, it's one of the few areas where Trump has followed through on his promises. The FDA under Bush and Obama were way too swayed by pharma companies like Purdue. Trump's appointee to the FDA actually put a rein on the widespread opioid prescribing. Unfortunately it's about a decade too late because as pointed out, heroin has come in.

Obama's administration had a massive blindspot for the problem, seeing it as a user problem and not a crisis caused by mass prescribing, even after the CDC called it an epidemic in 2011.

20 years to late.... People became addicted then found it was much cheaper to get heroin etc as the prescription prices increased

Mongfinder General

Too many reefer addicts in this country to bother with the hard stuff. Too stoned to care.

Webuser.

punisher5112 wrote: »

20 years to late.... People became addicted then found it was much cheaper to get heroin etc as the prescription prices increased

And now fentanyl is taking over from heroin, slowly but surely

zerosugarbuzz

Webuser. wrote: »

Maybe I got the name wrong it's not my addiction

They spend their time or did travelling to different pharmacies throughout the day

You're probably thinking of solphadene, apparently very addictive to some people.

4068ac1elhodqr

Deleted User wrote: »

Obama's administration had a massive blindspot for the problem, seeing it as a user problem and not a crisis caused by mass prescribing, even after the CDC called it an epidemic in 2011.

Agree, Obama's hometurf of Chicago has something like 100,000 known junkies, thanks mostly to prescribed opiods (pushed by pharma, pushed to prescription)



The maker of Nurofen was slapped with a 1.4bn fine
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jul/11/reckitt-benckiser-to-pay-record-14bn-fine-over-opioid-sales


x4 pharma companies also got millions of dollars of settlements to pay out for just before a trial began ...'knowingly doing something wrong'.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/21/health/ohio-opioid-settlement-monday/index.html

BraveDonut

I am completely clueless about these things...

I have bough Neurofen a few times as a painkiller and have gotten the grilling by the pharmacist.

Does it actually give the taker a high? I just want any pain to go away

Pauliedragon

Webuser. wrote: »

I've been in rehab twice and by comparison the main ones I seen here is the addiction to the nurofen type drugs available over the counter

The other major change I seen was the increase in cocaine addiction nationwide

You've been on boards about 5 mins and you're addicted already. Maybe another stint in rehab is in order.

lucalux

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

You're probably thinking of solphadene, apparently very addictive to some people.

Neurofen plus has 12mg of codeine per 500mg tablet of ibuprofen
Solpadeine has 8mg of codeine per 500mg tablet of paracetamol

begbysback

BraveDonut wrote: »

I am completely clueless about these things...

I have bough Neurofen a few times as a painkiller and have gotten the grilling by the pharmacist.

Does it actually give the taker a high? I just want any pain to go away

No, in the + version there may be very small amounts of codeine which may be addictive.

lucalux

begbysback wrote: »

No, in the + version there may be very small amounts of codeine which may be addictive.

In Neurofen Plus there is 24mg in a 1000mg dose (2tablets) if you take them as recommended you can take '6' in 24 hours, - 72mg
After three days continuous use there is a risk of dependence and withdrawal affects.

Cold water extraction with paracetamol tablets is a thing too, hence the need to quiz customers and limit sales of Solpadeine etc
Most people I've known who have become dependent on codeine will go waaay beyond the safe dosages, taking 2 tablets every four hours, at a minimum.

So in a 24 hour period you could be ingesting 168mg of codeine, and way too much ibuprofen.
Similar with Solpadeine. Paracetamol being so much more dangerous to the liver

punisher5112

They do absolutely nothing for me, I can't feel the addiction draw myself.

I told ya

I was on Oxycontin and Oxynorm for nearly 12 months. It was give as pain relief during cancer treatment - tumor, bone damage.

I was told it was not addictive when taken for genuine pain relief. And I was also told, on more than one occasion, that "you do not have to be in pain, take the pain relief".

I was taken off it and put on tramadol for a few months. Again they said, use it for genuine pain relief.

I still remember the first tablet I took, oh the relief.

greenspurs

Hes gone already ??

Didn't last long , did he ?!

riclad

Theres famous people who have become addicted to painkillers after they had an accident and needed painkillers .opioids are used as painkillers ,
they were over prescribed in america and alot of people became addicted to them.
Drug addicts go to clinics and get free methadone which is a subsitute for heroin.
if you need advice go to a chemist or your doctor.

Errashareesh

On the one hand it seems like the doctors were over prescribing for pain relief, but on the other hand, what if that amount of pain medication was needed? Like if you were working in the steel plant and put your back out.

And another aspect of a multi layered problem was patients not hiding their pain meds from their kids/grandkids, who'd rob them to get high with friends - some then developing a habit.

The problem I think is the way the FDA clamped down on the amount being prescribed - this led people with chronic pain AND opioid dependency to the streets. It was like - what fills the gap? Top that off then with some of the areas, such as Huntington WV and Middletown Ohio becoming economic blackspots with the closure of the pits and forges and manufacturing plants. Heroin finds economically depressed places like a magnet.

Although interestingly, the wealthier Massachussetts is seeing an opioid crisis (the Cape Cod documentary has already been mentioned).

My cousin's brother-in-law in NYC has an oxy habit which ended his marriage recently (thankfully no kids). Don't know why he started using. He was always mad into drugs so it could just be that - stupid drug to experiment with though. However he worked in construction for years too so maybe it was an injury.

hurikane

Only one thing worse than drug addiction. An addiction to creating sh1te threads.

dartboardio

lucalux wrote: »

In Neurofen Plus there is 24mg in a 1000mg dose (2tablets) if you take them as recommended you can take '6' in 24 hours, - 72mg
After three days continuous use there is a risk of dependence and withdrawal affects.

Cold water extraction with paracetamol tablets is a thing too, hence the need to quiz customers and limit sales of Solpadeine etc
Most people I've known who have become dependent on codeine will go waaay beyond the safe dosages, taking 2 tablets every four hours, at a minimum.

So in a 24 hour period you could be ingesting 168mg of codeine, and way too much ibuprofen.
Similar with Solpadeine. Paracetamol being so much more dangerous to the liver

I know a man who was an alcohol and painkiller addict. He used to take 100 nurofen plus a day.

Yes, he used to get very very high. He also has extreme problems now with the lining of his stomach, liver etc..

I find it funny when people say 'sure ya wouldn't get anything off them'. If you took enough of them ya would!

Errashareesh

Had to take a load of codeine when I was 17 or 18 for a severe ear abscess - the pain felt like the side of my head would explode.

Experienced what I assume was a mild opioid high - felt like I was floating in the air, and the voices in the room were far away and echoey. Didn't enjoy it - it was kind of a "dirty" buzz - but I'd imagine it'd be nice if your life was awful.

B.A._Baracus

Webuser. wrote: »

I couldn't believe the unofficial stats I heard from a police officer in the USA

He said 90% of the heroin users he meets told him they started on oxycontin and the like.

Easy enough to see how it starts with pain and then you.migrate to the cheaper opoids on the street.

Wouldn't necessarily be believing 90%.
Sure for some of course. But it really does sound like the "poor me" spiel. Rather than some junkie coming clean and saying they made poor life choices etc. They'd say how they had a bad back and it lead to oxycotin then harder stuff.

It's like a stripper who only strips to put herself through college. Yeah sure. Lol.

Errashareesh

Great money in it, the hours suit - I think it makes perfect sense as a part time job to fund being a student (if you have the confidence). What would the attraction be besides the money?

B.A._Baracus

Errashareesh wrote: »

Great money in it, the hours suit - I think it makes perfect sense as a part time job to fund being a student. What would the attraction be besides the money?

It's the old cliche. It's the old joke.
Many a stripper around the world doing it for years and years but when asked why ... The old cliche comes out "I just do it while I put myself through college" - there is no college.

People lie.

Errashareesh

Errashareesh wrote: »

On the one hand it seems like the doctors were over prescribing for pain relief, but on the other hand, what if that amount of pain medication was needed? Like if you were working in the steel plant and put your back out.

And another aspect of a multi layered problem was patients not hiding their pain meds from their kids/grandkids, who'd rob them to get high with friends - some then developing a habit.

The problem I think is the way the FDA clamped down on the amount being prescribed - this led people with chronic pain AND opioid dependency to the streets. It was like - what fills the gap? Top that off then with some of the areas, such as Huntington WV and Middletown Ohio becoming economic blackspots with the closure of the pits and forges and manufacturing plants. Heroin finds economically depressed places like a magnet.

Although interestingly, the wealthier Massachussetts is seeing an opioid crisis (the Cape Cod documentary has already been mentioned).

My cousin's brother-in-law in NYC has an oxy habit which ended his marriage recently (thankfully no kids). Don't know why he started using. He was always mad into drugs so it could just be that - stupid drug to experiment with though. However he worked in construction for years too so maybe it was an injury.

Purdue and other companies worked hard to shift medical thinking from seeing opioids as a drug to relieve "end of life" pain towards using it for chronic pain. There was no medical evidence to support this decision, it was simply a larger and more lucrative market. The drugs themselves didn't work as promised, often running out over a shorter period of time than the companies admitted so users had to take more than the prescribed daily dose.

20 years ago doctors who researched the area warned that chronic pain shouldn't be treated by opioids due to the risk of addiction and the need for ever increasing doses due to tolerance build-up in users but pharma companies bankrolled Pain Associations to promulgate the idea that America was suffering from a pain epidemic.

s1ippy

Errashareesh wrote: »

Had to take a load of codeine when I was 17 or 18 for a severe ear abscess - the pain felt like the side of my head would explode.

Experienced what I assume was a mild opioid high - felt like I was floating in the air, and the voices in the room were far away and echoey. Didn't enjoy it - it was kind of a "dirty" buzz - but I'd imagine it'd be nice if your life was awful.

You get the same sort of sensation from edibles.

I was clearing out the freezer last week and found a delicious brownie which I ate. It turns out it was 8 doses of weed brownie. I was absolutely wrecked in a few hours and woke up for work the next day fairly confused about the previous night as the onset was very gradual and I hardly noticed it until I was well into the psychedelic swing. I really should have put a label on it.

Errashareesh

s1ippy wrote: »

You get the same sort of sensation from edibles.

I was clearing out the freezer last week and found a delicious brownie which I ate. It turns out it was 8 doses of weed brownie. I was absolutely wrecked in a few hours and woke up for work the next day fairly confused about the previous night as the onset was very gradual and I hardly noticed it until I was well into the psychedelic swing. I really should have put a label on it.

Oh Jesus!