New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

Dyr

The nice thing about these topics is you get to see people clinging to the hope that their left/right worldview is still valid at all levels. It's a bit like those increasingly high pitched claims that there is no culture war, its all just made up. The Nile might be a big river but there's so many lefties living in it now that it must be awful crowded.

The BBC not being socialist is not relevant. The bias in the media is one between the consensus of the elite and the way ordinary people see the world. Woke versus non woke if you like. A patriotic outlook versus an internationalist one. A difference in fundamental values as to how people orient themselves

I'd imagine Marr and others are seeing how the medias attempt to maintain a false consensus as a market opportunity. The instictive response of those who feel threatened by that was to try have them shut down, naturally enough.

joe40

Bambi wrote: »

Bold away buddy, if your point is that by limiting itself to an hour (RTE News Now exists but anyway) that RTEs 6 and 9 oclock news is in some way impartial then you're still barking up the wrong tree, RTE news is Pravda for the people who run this country, RTE have a huge wage bill to pay and they aint paying them through anything other than sycophancy.

RTE have been critical of the govt on numerous occasions. They are still largely impartial.
Some just want a one sided Fox news type media.
I'm afraid there is no market for it here.
RTE is not perfect but the majority of Irish people still have faith in the news.
Bloated salaries are a different issue.

Joe_ Public

The elite? Who are the elite in the uk? The whole notion of left/liberal bias depends on this ludicrous notion that there is some privileged leftist elite sect controlling everything to the detriment of that fine upstanding citizen, the "ordinary man".

Reality. The elite is that mad eccentric law dodging bunch in the royal family. It is tory mps and life peers and their big business benefactors, english and foreign. It is the billionaire owners of the telegraph, mail and other right wing mouthpieces who fill their pages full of garbage about how they are looking out for the common man against all these unpatriotic, not loving britain enough infilitrators.

If they require even more outlets to promote their drummed up culture wars, then it is merely a sign of how weak the fundamental message is.

Harry Palmr

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/feb/14/murdoch-journalist-given-key-voice-over-new-chair-of-ofcom

A senior journalist with a leading role in Rupert Murdoch’s Times group of British newspapers has been given a key voice in deciding who is to chair Ofcom, Britain’s national broadcasting regulator that is tasked with holding the BBC to account.

Paul Potts, who was appointed two years ago as an independent director of Times Newspapers Holdings, is now also the government’s “senior independent panel member” who will help pick the successor to Terry Burns at the head of the body that rules on standards and is to shape the future of public service broadcasting in the digital age.

Potts, who led the newswire service Press Association for 10 years until 2010, is also a friend and former business associate of the minister for media and data, John Whittingdale, a man whom government sources said had a declared intention “to whack” the BBC. The pair were board directors of the South West News Service together until Whittingdale became culture secretary in 2015.

Paul Dacre is still considered the most likely OFCOM head. A government of dunderheads who occupy the right of the mainstream look determined to load the dice. Only good news is that a given chairman rarely lasts more than 3/4 years certainly in recent past.

Tony EH

Bambi wrote: »

Bold away buddy, if your point is that by limiting itself to an hour (RTE News Now exists but anyway) that RTEs 6 and 9 oclock news is in some way impartial then you're still barking up the wrong tree, RTE news is Pravda for the people who run this country, RTE have a huge wage bill to pay and they aint paying them through anything other than sycophancy.

RTE News, as a straightforward news program, is generally limited to reporting on what happened and where it happened. If you can't see that, it's because you're too blinded by your petty politics.

In contrast, the likes of an entire "news" channel, like FOX NEWS, is something that reports with a discernable bias to a base audience. It was specifically set up for that reason, as is the GB News lark.

These things are designed to warp opinion into a package that's friendly for their listeners fragile sensitivities.

Should be right up your street.

Tony EH

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Point of order...

RTE are very much guilty of 'agenda reporting' and pushing specific opinions and personalities.

'Just the facts' they are not! Far from it.

In comparison to the likes of FOX, CNN or SKY, I generally find the RTE News (Six One) to be much freer of such things.

ExMachina1000

Whatever about GB news this other channel which will be coming to free view is the one to keep an eye out for. Rupert Murdoch funded "News UK tv". Broadcasting licence approved

https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2020/dec/01/rupert-murdochs-news-uk-tv-channel-given-approval-to-launch#aoh=16133258304941&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

Tony EH

joe40 wrote: »

RTE have been critical of the govt on numerous occasions. They are still largely impartial.
Some just want a one sided Fox news type media.
I'm afraid there is no market for it here.
RTE is not perfect but the majority of Irish people still have faith in the news.
Bloated salaries are a different issue.

The "bloated salaries" of the likes of Tubridy are something that everyone is, or should be, pissed off about. And RTE, as an entity, could do with some very serious review in that area for sure.

But, as you say, that has absolutely bugger all to do with a program like the Six One News.

The people masturbating themselves into a froth about GB News are only interested in hearing their already formed opinions repeated back at them, FOX News style, which is exactly what this GB News rubbish is going to be.

Bias conformation spoon fed to an audience that can't deal with any challenges.

MisterAnarchy

Tony EH wrote: »

The people masturbating themselves into a froth about GB News are only interested in hearing their already formed opinions repeated back at them, FOX News style, which is exactly what this GB News rubbish is going to be.

You have been given the inside scoop on what the content of GB News is have you ?

You sound a bit like the people discussed here
'I never broadcast hate' Andrew Neil blasts calls for GB News to be 'killed on arrival'

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1395314/Andrew-Neil-GB-News-stop-funding-hate-piers-morgan-good-morning-britain-video-latest

Dyr

Tony EH wrote: »

In contrast, the likes of an entire "news" channel, like FOX NEWS, is something that reports with a discernable bias to a base audience. It was specifically set up for that reason, as is the GB News lark.

These things are designed to warp opinion into a package that's friendly for their listeners fragile sensitivities.

Should be right up your street.

I find it very odd that you keep attributing negative characteristics to this new news channel when it hasnt launched and a cursory bit of reading up on the topic would disabuse you of such notions

Its going to be a 24 hour rolling news channel sez you, not so says GB news

It's going to be Fox or CNN in the UK sez you, not so say GB news

Very odd carry on for a fella using the term bias projection. Almost like you're projecting

Tony EH

Bambi wrote: »

I find it very odd that you keep attributing negative characteristics to this new news channel when it hasnt launched and a cursory bit of reading up on the topic would disabuse you of such notions

Its going to be a 24 hour rolling news channel sez you, not so says GB news

Have you seen the title of the thread?

Bambi wrote: »

Very odd carry on for a fella using the term bias projection. Almost like you're projecting

tdf7187

suicide_circus wrote: »

Depending on their personal political leanings, people seem to view the BBC as being rabidly the other way. I think we can be fairly certain that 99% of BBC staff voted remain in the brexit referendum but we can also be fairly certain that 99% of them are toffs.

The political centre ground continues to lose ground to the fringe mentalist left and right as we allow ourselves to be further polarised all while living the safest and most comfortable lives in history.

I would grant that the majority of BBC staffers probably voted Remain, but the overcompensation for the sake of objectivity they engage in is ridiculous. They are partially responsible for turning Nigel Farage into a folk hero. For a while there he seemed to be on Question Time every second week and he is regularly interviewed on their various current affairs programs. This is a man who has failed on every single attempt to get elected to the House of Commons and a man who once the referendum result became clear, turned tail to go to America for an extended vacation and to lick Trump's ***- that's how much he cares about Britain.

Joe_ Public

tdf7187 wrote: »

I would grant that the majority of BBC staffers probably voted Remain, but the overcompensation for the sake of objectivity they engage in is ridiculous. They are partially responsible for turning Nigel Farage into a folk hero. For a while there he seemed to be on Question Time every second week and he is regularly interviewed on their various current affairs programs. This is a man who has failed on every single attempt to get elected to the House of Commons and a man who once the referendum result became clear, turned tail to go to America for an extended vacation and to lick Trump's ***- that's how much he cares about Britain.

Hardly surprising the bbc did its bit to make Farage a national hero given its political editor during the entire brexit referendum campaign was staunch brexiteer and subsequent tory spin doctor, Robbie Gibb. The persistent allegations from leavers that the bbc was some hotbed of remain intrigue have been summarily debunked by numerous academic studies, but what chance did studies ever have against the likes of Farage ranting and shouting the odds on live tv?

suicide_circus

Well Brexit has happened so perhaps the BBC had their finger on the nation's pulse after all? I might say that, back to my first point, staunch brexiteers would see the Beeb as rapidly anti brexit while remainers see exactly the opposite. It's almost like in trying to please everyone, they please no one. People want partisan media.

Dyr

Tony EH wrote: »

Have you seen the title of the thread?

"Neil talks of avoiding rolling news in favour of a segmented schedule of programmes hosted by “anchors with a bit of edge, a bit of attitude, a bit of personality”.

Second Google hit after the wikipedia entry. Not that hard to find, if you were arsed looking instead of projecting.

Gentlemanne

Bambi wrote: »

The nice thing about these topics is you get to see people clinging to the hope that their left/right worldview is still valid at all levels.. It's a bit like those increasingly high pitched claims that there is no culture war, its all just made up. The Nile might be a big river but there's so many lefties living in it now that it must be awful crowded.

The BBC not being socialist is not relevant. The bias in the media is one between the consensus of the elite and the way ordinary people see the world. Woke versus non woke if you like. A patriotic outlook versus an internationalist one. A difference in fundamental values as to how people orient themselves

lol

flazio

Does the channel have a launch date yet?

fly_agaric

FTA69 wrote: »

GB News isn’t going to be any radical or new addition to the political debate, it’s just going to carbon copy Fox News and take a more boorish and direct line on pushing an economic system that’s increasingly failing us but with added shouting about immigrants, goading the ‘media elite’ (which they’re also part of) and whatever nonsense issues that get people foaming at the mouth.

There's some fairly strong laws in the UK + Ofcom or whatever its called isn't there which should hinder it being exactly like US style "infotainment"?

I suppose with the Eternal ever more right wing Tory governments that the UK elects, there'll be ample time to gut these and ape the US + reduce TV news in the UK to that level.

Neil talks of avoiding rolling news in favour of a segmented schedule of programmes hosted by “anchors with a bit of edge, a bit of attitude, a bit of personality”

I don't watch it other than the odd clip online but that is the Fox News "format", maybe US TV news in general at this stage) isn't it?

Here's what happened today (selected to stroke your biases) + here's what our friendly anchor/news personality (Oh he/shes a bit of mad one really aren't they, but great to listen to) thinks about this!

edit: I was curious and looked at Fox News schedule for today...and that is what it looks like.
A sequence of talking heads (with a bit of "edge" no doubt?) giving the Channels spin/take on current events:

https://www.foxnews.com/fnctv

Tony EH

Bambi wrote: »

"Neil talks of avoiding rolling news in favour of a segmented schedule of programmes hosted by “anchors with a bit of edge, a bit of attitude, a bit of personality”.

Second Google hit after the wikipedia entry. Not that hard to find, if you were arsed looking instead of projecting.

None of that "rolling news" bollocks matters.

The salient point is that an NEWS CHANNEL called GB NEWS is being created that will push the NEWS with particular slant, al la FOX News.

:rolleyes:

DessieJames

Can anyone recommend a few non mainstream media outlets unlike the garbage on RTE, Virgin Media news,Independent, Irish Times,Journal etc,etc which trot out mostly pro government propaganda rubbish and rarely ever give any coverage to alternative viewpoints,and instead push the fear narrative all the time.

Kivaro

DessieJames wrote: »

Can anyone recommend a few non mainstream media outlets unlike the garbage on RTE, Virgin Media news,Independent, Irish Times,Journal etc,etc which trot out mostly pro government propaganda rubbish and rarely ever give any coverage to alternative viewpoints,and instead push the fear narrative all the time.

You might be waiting on that one Dessie.

MisterAnarchy

DessieJames wrote: »

Can anyone recommend a few non mainstream media outlets unlike the garbage on RTE, Virgin Media news,Independent, Irish Times,Journal etc,etc which trot out mostly pro government propaganda rubbish and rarely ever give any coverage to alternative viewpoints,and instead push the fear narrative all the time.

That interview last night on Primetime between Varadkar and Miriam O Callaghan was completely rehearsed.

Its supposed to be a serious current affairs programme.

DessieJames

I cannot take anything the likes of RTE or Virgin media news say seriously, they just pander to the government and NPHET, not once have i ever heard the likes of your wan Zara King ever come across and quiz Holohan, just pander to them.

Kermit.de.frog

DessieJames wrote: »

Can anyone recommend a few non mainstream media outlets unlike the garbage on RTE, Virgin Media news,Independent, Irish Times,Journal etc,etc which trot out mostly pro government propaganda rubbish and rarely ever give any coverage to alternative viewpoints,and instead push the fear narrative all the time.

It's only "propaganda" because you don't agree with it.

DessieJames

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's only "propaganda" because you don't agree with it.

i could call you a sheep like the masses who are brainwashed for agreeing with mainstream media but i wont, i like to seek out alternative opinoons on almost everything and in this instance im glad i did.

Butson

Journalism in Ireland now is that Chambers guy from Newstalk and Gavin Reilly, both endlessly on tweeting what their contacts in the department of whatever tell them.

DessieJames

Butson wrote: »

Journalism in Ireland now is that Chambers guy from Newstalk and Gavin Reilly, both endlessly on tweeting what their contacts in the department of whatever tell them.

arent both opf those from virgin media news along with that Zara King wan, these "new breed" of so called journalists are gloried social media employees,copy and paste merchants who hapen to be on TV , Zara King stands there every evening reading out case numbers caked in makeup, and then the hunzos saying "ahh your hair and makleup is massive Zara" you couldnt make it up:rolleyes:

Faugheen

DessieJames wrote: »

arent both opf those from virgin media news along with that Zara King wan, these "new breed" of so called journalists are gloried social media employees,copy and paste merchants who hapen to be on TV , Zara King stands there every evening reading out case numbers caked in makeup, and then the hunzos saying "ahh your hair and makleup is massive Zara" you couldnt make it up:rolleyes:

That's three posts now you've mentioned that 'wan' Zara King, plus having a go at her for how she looks.

Bit below the belt there pal. Criticise her as a journalist if you want but you are borderline obsessed.

Rjd2

I won't write it off yet, but not excited to say the least.

The right in the UK has a strong media hold whether its old school media or more modern social media, so its not filling a void tbh.

The likes of BBC etc have their flaws, but when you consider the damage the likes of MSNBC and Fox have done in America, the last thing the UK needs is another ****ing echo chamber.

Hopefully they hire some left wing voices and no not Owen Jones.:P

Kivaro

Rjd2 wrote: »

Hopefully they hire some left wing voices and no not Owen Jones.:P

Indeed. That is the only way a new news channel will be successful. Give both sides an opportunity to air their views. That would be a channel I would watch.