Beef price tracker 2

MIKEKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122710061#Comment_122710061

DDone that for years.Too old now for the breeding game. Could go rearing calves but that is long term

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122710061#Comment_122710061

That is a mugs game. Plenty if dairy cross Stock there.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122709605#Comment_122709605

At the present I have 80ish cattle for slaughternext year. 14 still to go this year 6 of them next week. The 80 are a mix of the good, the bad and the ugly. About 35 heifers and 45 bullocks

These are mostly rags I 9-10 months ago. There is more in another bunch a few as good as them a few n̈ot as good as them there is about 5-6 bought in during the summer there. The bought in ones cost sub 600 euro, the rest averaged 295 euro during December and January. I put photos up of them back then. Glad to have them at the moment.

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WoozieWu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122710331#Comment_122710331

Why is it a mugs game?

Your business plan doesn't work without cheap cattle and they are scarce

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122710361#Comment_122710361

Take you fairly average suckler farm, say 25 cows with a bull, if you are carrying to finish you ate looking at needing 60+ acres. You have 4ish groups of cattle. You are carrying 70+ cattle to have 23/24 to slaughter plus a few culls.

You have fairly significant costs all.if which are ging up. The cows are probably costing 500/ year to carry before you add in calf/ weanling costs, writer feeding of weanlings and finishing costs of the progeny. You 23-25 prime cattle will average sub 2k average and could be as low as 40k

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122710393#Comment_122710393

There’s not too many suckler farmers carrying all the way through to finish. There’s lads around here averaging over €1,400 for 10 month old weanlings. I know they’ll never be millionaires but it leaves a nice twist for lads that have full time off farm jobs as well.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122710685#Comment_122710685

I agree but @MIKEKC was advised to buy his own for finishing by woozie. On better land sroʻund where I am anyway a goid few carry to finish or to year and a half's anyway

WoozieWu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122710393#Comment_122710393

What would a 600kg 15 month old u/e grade limousin bull hang up at do you reckon

50HX

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122710685#Comment_122710685

I wonder does it for the labour involved in sucklers v buying stores to finish.

Working full time off farm here, wife working shift,smallies & the activities that go with it.

Sucklers drain money esp on heavy ish land wintering costs are not sustainable.

Every set up is different & if you've good ground & a good quality weanling to sell then maybe.

I exited sucklers & the difference in costs & time is night & day

weatherbyfoxer

Plenty of value about in 300-400kg store bullocks at the moment,€2-€2.20 per kg would buy alot of them.The dairy calf to beef game is looking profitable going forward once a farmer is able to get them into the correct weights at different stages

kk.man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122710922#Comment_122710922

Dairy calf to beef is profitable but the animals must not see the second winter inside. Calves must have a good start is the key.

See the figures in the rag wouldn't overwhelmel you.

But your right and I'm going to say it good value in 300 to 400 kg cattle. Unfortunately these owners have done the heavy lifting.

I says

Buying weanlings direct from a few lads farm to farm. Definitely from one lad on here. It leaves me as the second move which allows me options to slaughter or sell at mart. Buying of dealers is a mugs game, if you’ve the time buying farm to farm is a huge help. It’s what system suits your setup to get the most out of it at the least time.
Although setting up the strip grazing for the cattle in the dark mornings is a bit of a bollox the head torch makes all the difference. Anyways into the shed next week and hope for a dry winter and early spring.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122710910#Comment_122710910

Most of them in the 17-1800 euro bracket top 1850 or a bit with it. They will have eaten a lot of a ton of ration if not more costing 350/ ton minimum

Dunedin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122710910#Comment_122710910

he could kill up to 60% so 360 dw. I see beef plan quoting €5.40 for u24 bulls so €1944 at that rate.

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122710922#Comment_122710922

If you were getting 5.3 to 5.35 every year around this time of the year there would be a nice twist in it, but buying the right Calfs is the key

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122710953#Comment_122710953

I purchased Calfs last year for the first time in a while, I much prefer to let them go right up to the 30 months but usually the price collapses, the last Calfs that I bought years ago all killed out rs and they averaged 415kgs, and I didn’t over do them, since then I have done a lot of reseeding and have improved silage quality, so if I done this system again I would be exspecting bigger weights

I also but fresian stores and they are very expensive at the moment

kk.man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122711018#Comment_122711018

The trick i see it is, Dec, Jan or Feb calve. No jersey genetics. Mind them like children, no set backs (easy say). They would want to be going into the shed 350 plus kgs on good silage. Early turnout, now they must be treated like dairy cows. 3 days 3 weeks good paddocks. October that year they can be killed with meal and 300kgs dw can be achievable.

Look at the figures, lower livestock numbers, faster turnover and less money tied up in cattle. Less shed required. For instance if you buy 50 calves every year. At this time of year you should only have 50 runners on the farm if you have killed all your 21 month cattle.

Abp demo farm hasn't published their margins which devalues the gospel they are preaching.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122711002#Comment_122711002

The operative word is could, at 600kgs LW accross 10 they will not average 60% more likely 57/58% max and it coukd be 55/56.

Ya beef plan may be quoting that but where are they being killed unlikely at your local plant. It will cost 25-30 euro in transport and depending on where they are going you are looking at travelling loss.

At present the price is as goid as it gets for sucklers as carcasse weight of dairy cattle is located present however that will improve IMO asdairy farmers correct present breeding strategies and sexed semen take out a lot of 100% dairy breeding. In a couple of years will processors revert to quoting 5-10c below the base for U16 month bulls and revert to pricing U24 at the 10c either side of the base.

TThis Is the first October in a decade where processors are actively looking for bulls not to mind U24 month bulls. Most U24 month bulls will be 18ish months on average at present as most autumn born will be gone o er the 24 months

weatherbyfoxer

Working a system here where we finish all calves reared on the farm by the 1st of December in their second year and buy in light 350-400kg stores which would be the same age as the ones we killed,the usually go to grass and are slaughtered from June to August.Works out roughly killing 1 animal per acre per year just under derogation levels

Wouldn't mind what they say about dairy beef in the journal to be honest,The main beef editor is obsessed with suckers.Dairy beef requires alot more technical work than sucklers imho.Had both here and would never entertain sucklers again

grass10

Many lads seem to be over optimistic at the moment cattle are after having the shortest grazing season in years, poor grass growth, poor thrive in general, lots of poor genetics in dairy Cross animals that are just not capable of putting on remotely near a kilo a day and lads need to realise that at 5 euro base is probably equivalent to 4.70 base if you had a good summer and now the stores at even 400 kg Angus or Herefords are freely 1050/1100 these cattle are going to be housed in the next couple of weeks for possibly a long winter to be fed very expensive feed and not be factory fit for 10/12 months, maybe I'm wrong but I think lots of lads need to buy new calculators as in general most beef farmers are after 2 low profit years

Dunedin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122711061#Comment_122711061

I was merely answering the question asked. You have added in more ifs and buts than in the dictionary and a wee market prediction for the next 27 years added in……..

Any U or E grade should kill 60% and maybe more.

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122711289#Comment_122711289

a U grade 15month bull is the top 1 percent and should hit 60 easy.

weatherbyfoxer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122711201#Comment_122711201

All depends on how good a lad is at running his business..there are aa and Hereford bullocks selling freely this minute in marts for €850 @ 400kg a lad could give €1100 for the same stock if he wasn't careful in the wrong place

WoozieWu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122710970#Comment_122710970

Blown finishing ration is sub 300/t and that type of animal will hang over 2k easy

They will kill over 60 and I have seen 63

All in the breeding

I dont see why you have to be constantly knocking anyone doing something different to yourself especially when you dont have the correct figures

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122711181#Comment_122711181

Those stores that you buy, what weight would they usually kill out and when would you usually sell them?

grass10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122711465#Comment_122711465

Fr steers are making that nationwide jex are also black in colour but they ain't angus

kk.man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122711465#Comment_122711465

Never said a true word, weatherby. Kk mart was on fire last two weeks. I got bet trying to fill my sheds. I had to move further afield. I bought a pen of lm 365kg bullocks paid 760. They be 960 in kilkenny. Shippers have that place gone mad.

I saw Fr bullocks made 2.65 per kg but general run was 2.20 to 2.40 in the stores 380 to 520 kgs.

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122711699#Comment_122711699

Thurles was similar last week, British Freisian types very exspensive

kk.man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122711730#Comment_122711730

Still wasn't as bad as kilkenny.

It would pay for any store man to bring his cattle to kilkenny for selling. I have no skin in the mart btw.

Two large exporters locked horns from what I heard. Movements and qa didn’t mater either.

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122711744#Comment_122711744

where are they buying for?

weatherbyfoxer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122711623#Comment_122711623

You're looking in the wrong places grass10..honestly,I'm in the midlands here was watching 1 mart not too far away this afternoon that €2.10/kg would have got you a nice few store bullocks up to 400kg..