13 year old autistic boy shot 11 times by police...US

Sandor Clegane

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

You saw a child murdered by the police so you decide to use it to push your agenda? That's disgraceful, frankly.

Firstly the child survived thankfully, you'd of known that if you'd have bothered to read the article.

My agenda was highlighting the fact police in the US don't just use disproportionate force on black people...how is that disgraceful?

Rodney Bathgate

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

Firstly the child survived thankfully, you'd of known that if you'd have bothered to read the article.

My agenda was highlighting the fact police in the US don't just use disproportionate force on black people...how is that disgraceful?

The problem is that goes against a core tenet of the BLM movement so it cannot be left unchallenged.

The reality is that race paid no part in the likes of the George Floyd death, but you will never get BLM or BLM supporters to admit that.

cruizer101

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I really don't get the point behind defunding the police. It see.a pretty obvious to me Thrt the police are woefully undertrained and probably understaffed.

The point is that over time funding has been removed from other services such as social services, mental health services, drug rehabilitation, etc, whilst funding for the police has increased.

Police have then been tasked with dealing with these issues when they do not have the appropriate training, police commisioners have actually raised this issue.
This results in police officers dealing with issues they have neither the training or motivation to deal with, as many officers are power hungry thugs.

Defund the police isn't the best slogan but if yo understand the meanign behind it it is a short slogan which all the best slogans are.

mcmoustache

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

Firstly the child survived thankfully, you'd of known that if you'd have bothered to read the article.

My agenda was highlighting the fact police in the US don't just use disproportionate force on black people...how is that disgraceful?

Was anyone making that point?


The point I think that BLM were making was that disproportionate force was was being used disproportionately against black people.


The difference isn't even subtle.

Ikozma

That country has serious problems

El_Duderino 09

cruizer101 wrote: »

The point is that over time funding has been removed from other services such as social services, mental health services, drug rehabilitation, etc, whilst funding for the police has increased.

Police have then been tasked with dealing with these issues when they do not have the appropriate training, police commisioners have actually raised this issue.
This results in police officers dealing with issues they have neither the training or motivation to deal with, as many officers are power hungry thugs.

Defund the police isn't the best slogan but if yo understand the meanign behind it it is a short slogan which all the best slogans are.

Yeah fair one. Sounds like they actually need to fund the other services they need. America is a sad place.

gary550

Smee_Again wrote: »

As long as it’s not always about race then everyone should be happy.

This is a good example of what is meant by defund the police.

Police shouldn’t be the people you call when you need help transporting someone to hospital.

The police officer showed up to the scene knowing that there was a 13 year old boy who was having a mental crisis and had made threats that he had a gun and was going to shoot his mothers co worker.

The video doesn't show the lead up or what prompted the officer to shoot. Would it not be best to wait for an investigation and maybe look at the full unedited footage to make a more level evaluation of what took place?

Smee_Again

gary550 wrote: »

The police officer showed up to the scene knowing that there was a 13 year old boy who was having a mental crisis and had made threats that he had a gun and was going to shoot his mothers co worker.

The video doesn't show the lead up or what prompted the officer to shoot. Would it not be best to wait for an investigation and maybe look at the full unedited footage to make a more level evaluation of what took place?

The mother called the police because she needed help getting her son to hospital, the bit about the gun was secondary.

If the mother had another avenue to get help, someone actually trained to help people in distress, then the cops wouldn’t have been there at all.

I haven’t made any comment on the police’s actions in this specific case.

ancapailldorcha

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

The problem is that goes against a core tenet of the BLM movement so it cannot be left unchallenged.

The reality is that race paid no part in the likes of the George Floyd death, but you will never get BLM or BLM supporters to admit that.

Proof please.

Outlaw Pete

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Why would I complain about BLM protesting black people being murdered by the police?

Because there was no proof Floyd's death was motivated by racism, and there still isn't, yet the media and users like yourself on social media, used it to push YOUR agenda, which is of course, to paint the US Police as having systemic racism problem, which they of course do not.

The actions of BLM caused innocent people to die this year.

Outlaw Pete

He wasn't the first autistic boy shot and killed by US police by the way, there was another.

This 6-year-old autistic boy was killed a few years also and the cop got 40 years.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/01/louisiana-officer-derrick-stafford-sentenced-killing-boy-autism

OscarMIlde

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

Firstly the child survived thankfully, you'd of known that if you'd have bothered to read the article.

My agenda was highlighting the fact police in the US don't just use disproportionate force on black people...how is that disgraceful?

I think a major issue is that police forces in the US favour heavy policing tactics, power trips and utilise excessive force, including bullets, with little provocation. These tendencies are magnified if they perceive their target as 'lesser' than them. People are likely to be deemed as lesser for a wide variety of reasons; maybe they are criminals, drug addicts, someone with mental health issues, or someone with a disability. The specific issue with regards to black people is that for racists someone being black can be enough for them to be deemed as 'lesser', regardless of anything else about them.

The underlying issue, that psychologically, police forces in America see themselves as 'policing' the population instead of serving them is what needs to be tackled, for the good of all Americans. It doesn't mean that black lives matter as a movement or idea is wrong, but to combat the issue of police brutality towards black people effectively the focus needs to be on more than racism. There needs to be a sea change in how the (highly disparate) police and law enforcement organisations organise and operate.

larva

Appears to be a reported case of white male with gun, possibly just as scary or worse than reported case of black man with gun. US Police response seems usual for such a scenario, Shoot first (At least 11 times) to be on the safe side, ask questions later.

excludedbin

Is it really not enough that there's a more than six thousand post thread for people to whinge and moan about BLM that they have to use completely unrelated tragedies to do so? Oh but they're not racist, of course. This constant, unrelenting condemnation of black people has zero to do with their race, remember.

Absolutely shameless the lot of you. Threads like this really lay the true agenda bare.

Fiery mutant wrote: »

The only thing this proves Is that the training provided to police in the US is absolutely terrible.

From what I've heard, a large part of the problem is that there's a lot of ex-soldiers entering (and already in) US police forces and they're given little to no training in how to handle confrontations as police. Sad fact is that so long as it continues—and as long as people rush to the defence of overreaction by police—cases like this are just going to be more common.

Rodney Bathgate

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I know, shocking. A lot of folks have been saying BLM is racist too. Some even saying that ALM is an ill-informed rebuttal to BLM and nothing more. Usually uttered by the ignorant or the racist, apparently.

Correct. BLM is racist.