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Planning application for 28 story building at Junction6

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  • #52
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    I didn't see this particular development as a problematic height, it was grand really. It was more the overall density of the site without a decent connection to PT.
    The J6 Island is fairly marooned in middle of the roads.


  • #53
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,357 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Fred Cryton wrote: »
    town planning is exactly the problem, you guys plan our cities to be low rise. The less "planning" the better.



    There is never any downside to height. The developers are the ones taking the financial risk.

    I could name you perhaps 20 downsides to height in the wrong location.

    I'm all for increased height and density in our city cores and in designated special development zones. But, not plonked in isolation in a poorly accessed area, with no potential for sympathetic scale to develop around it.


  • #54
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Fred Cryton wrote: »
    Great i hope they get this through planning. The height phobia in this country is something else and truly pathetic.

    I assume the issue most people would have with development isn't the height.


  • #55
    Fred Cryton
    Registered Users Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    I could name you perhaps 20 downsides to height in the wrong location.

    I'm all for increased height and density in our city cores and in designated special development zones. But, not plonked in isolation in a poorly accessed area, with no potential for sympathetic scale to develop around it.


    All those downsides to height would be subjective and in your mind. Which doesn't give them much weight. Phrases like "sympathetic scale" are completely meaningless outside your planning bubble.


    Why do people care so much how private developers spend their own private money? Or think they should have a say in how they spend it. Seems arrogant.


  • #56
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Fred Cryton wrote: »
    All those downsides to height would be subjective and in your mind. Which doesn't give them much weight. Phrases like "sympathetic scale" are completely meaningless outside your planning bubble.


    Why do people care so much how private developers spend their own private money? Or think they should have a say in how they spend it. Seems arrogant.

    If you can measure it it's not subjective.

    They don't care how they spend their money. They care if they do something that negatively impacts them in some way. Like increasing traffic congestion beside them or devalue their property.


  • #57
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,357 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Fred Cryton wrote: »
    All those downsides to height would be subjective and in your mind. Which doesn't give them much weight. Phrases like "sympathetic scale" are completely meaningless outside your planning bubble.

    Why do people care so much how private developers spend their own private money? Or think they should have a say in how they spend it. Seems arrogant.

    If you think its arrogant, I can't change your mind, but a big part of my job is to make sure investors maximise their return and aren't stuck with either a) a failed planning application or b) a white elephant. I've been doing it 25 years and I'm not bad at it. Put it this way, If I was selling snake oil to private developers, my phone would stop ringing pretty quickly.

    My suggestion would be to look at other European countries and cities where ad-hoc high rise is permitted and ask yourself do you like the environment they create and a visual you'd be happy to look at everyday. If you do, fine, but experience tells me there'll be holy war locally if the J6 plan was approved as is. Quite apart from the fact it doesn't comply with the Fingal County Development Plan, after which all other considerations are moot.


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