Swirl flap damage

Chiparus

My 5 year old BMW x5 stopped working , eventually got it going and it was brought straight to BMW dealer.

Apparently there has been major damage to the engine and I am looking at about €15,000 for parts and labour:eek: This is due to swirl flaps breaking off and being ingested into the engine.

Does anyone have any ideas? Is it even worth repairing ?

ba_barabus

Chiparus wrote: »

My 5 year old BMW x5 stopped working , eventually got it going and it was brought straight to BMW dealer.

Apparently there has been major damage to the engine and I am looking at about €15,000 for parts and labour:eek: This is due to swirl flaps breaking off and being ingested into the engine.

Does anyone have any ideas? Is it even worth repairing ?

Find a very good BMW specialist and that price will probably drop considerably. That's the first thing I'd do.

9935452

The car is worth very little without a good engine.
A good independent would save you thousands over a main dealer

Tails142

You should be able to do a full engine swap for at most 2.5k labour and pick up an engine for 2k or lower, I'm pretty sure that's what I paid after timing chain failure on a 7 series, that's at an independent specialist.

Can't believe they're still putting those swirl flaps in

Sexual Chocolate

Tails142 wrote: »

You should be able to do a full engine swap for at most 2.5k labour and pick up an engine for 2k or lower, I'm pretty sure that's what I paid after timing chain failure on a 7 series, that's at an independent specialist.

Can't believe they're still putting those swirl flaps in

I read that BMW stopped using swirl flaps altogether a few years back, though there is a lot of misinformation out there.

With the N series engine its actually the rod that breaks, different way to how the older ones used to break I believe but the same ****ty outcome in the end.


OP are BMW offering you any goodwill ?

Chiparus

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

I read that BMW stopped using swirl flaps altogether a few years back, though there is a lot of misinformation out there.

With the N series engine its actually the rod that breaks, different way to how the older ones used to break I believe but the same ****ty outcome in the end.


OP are BMW offering you any goodwill ?

Yes , some but really i'm in the hole for at least 10k , I loved BMW for the service and reliability , this has really shocked me.

kippy

Chiparus wrote: »

Yes , some but really i'm in the hole for at least 10k , I loved BMW for the service and reliability , this has really shocked me.

Marketing works.

Sexual Chocolate

Chiparus wrote: »

Yes , some but really i'm in the hole for at least 10k , I loved BMW for the service and reliability , this has really shocked me.

If your interested in the names of a few BMW independent garages just ask. It will still cost a few grand but not 15k.

mickdw

Dont give them 15k.
Get a used engine fitted. Be good as new.

ShadowHearth

Was it serviced in main dealer? Did you bought it from them? You could push for some Good will of them, to cover some part.

5 years old and with such major feck up, I would presume BMW would do at least something for you.

Zascar

Swirl flaps are a known issue in some bmw engines. I've never owned one but was going to and the one thing to check is if the swirl flaps have been done and if not, get them done. Very unfortunate they went wrong for you. AS mentioned already find a good bmw independent and get a quote, or if not a 2nd hand engine. What year is the car and how much is it worth?

Chiparus

Zascar wrote: »

Swirl flaps are a known issue in some bmw engines. I've never owned one but was going to and the one thing to check is if the swirl flaps have been done and if not, get them done. Very unfortunate they went wrong for you. AS mentioned already find a good bmw independent and get a quote, or if not a 2nd hand engine. What year is the car and how much is it worth?

151, I would guess 35k,

vectra

whereabouts in the country are you?
Maybe a few posters could suggest an indi.

Chiparus

Cheers Im in the south east.

vectra

I guess Fermoy is too far?

road_high

Chiparus wrote: »

Cheers Im in the south east.

There’s a guy in Carlow- I know nothing about his work but he’s been there a long time- Bilbao Motor Works.
https://www.qsn.ie/qsn-garages/bilboa-motor-works/

road_high

Chiparus wrote: »

My 5 year old BMW x5 stopped working , eventually got it going and it was brought straight to BMW dealer.

Apparently there has been major damage to the engine and I am looking at about €15,000 for parts and labour:eek: This is due to swirl flaps breaking off and being ingested into the engine.

Does anyone have any ideas? Is it even worth repairing ?

This is really dreadful for a relatively new car and sounds like it’s been well serviced and minded too. €15 k is insane money. The arrogance of even looking for that kind of money with a straight face.
Have you been in touch with bmw Ireland?

road_high

Chiparus wrote: »

Yes , some but really i'm in the hole for at least 10k , I loved BMW for the service and reliability , this has really shocked me.

Bmw reliability unfortunately has been garbage for a long time now. And I say that as an owner of one. Mines a company lease but I’d have serious thoughts of buying one privately. Big bills seem to be a very common theme

Chiparus

road_high wrote: »

This is really dreadful for a relatively new car and sounds like it’s been well serviced and minded too. €15 k is insane money. The arrogance of even looking for that kind of money with a straight face.
Have you been in touch with bmw Ireland?

To be fair about 15 k was the total, they have since agreed 50% off parts so I was told 11.5 k. I have a really good relationship with the BMW garage but I cannot afford that much-

tabby aspreme

What mileage was on the x5

Immortal Starlight

Horrible thing to happen and crazy money they are looking for. What engine was in the X5.

hurikane

Chiparus wrote: »

To be fair about 15 k was the total, they have since agreed 50% off parts so I was told 11.5 k. I have a really good relationship with the BMW garage but I cannot afford that much-

Sounds like super relationship, if things don’t work out, I’m here, I’m high maintenance and if things go wrong you’ll have to spend a fortune on me too.

I can just imagine the conversation they had, tell them it’ll be 15k initially, then tell we’ll give a discount on parts and labour, keep the price over 10k though, when they com back tell them 11.5k and if they look for more, go down to 11k.

road_high

Chiparus wrote: »

To be fair about 15 k was the total, they have since agreed 50% off parts so I was told 11.5 k. I have a really good relationship with the BMW garage but I cannot afford that much-

Still crazy money as you no doubt know. Not many of us have 11.5k just hanging around to blow on car repairs. I think you’ll have to shop around, the Labour they change would be massive

road_high

hurikane wrote: »

Sounds like super relationship, if things don’t work out, I’m here, I’m high maintenance and if things go wrong you’ll have to spend a fortune on me too.

I can just imagine the conversation they had, tell them it’ll be 15k initially, then tell we’ll give a discount on parts and labour, keep the price over 10k though, when they com back tell them 11.5k and if they look for more, go down to 11k.

I thought the same but then I’m not well up enough on the costs to know exactly

ShadowHearth

Chiparus wrote: »

To be fair about 15 k was the total, they have since agreed 50% off parts so I was told 11.5 k. I have a really good relationship with the BMW garage but I cannot afford that much-

That is a start, I bet you try to push them more and they will drop price more. They could even drop parts cost, because as mentioned already, flaps issue is a major oversight by bmw. Try BMW Ireland too.

Chiparus

My car was being recalled for EGR replacement on the day of the failure , It maybe the fault in the EGR cauased the Swirl flap failure?
It was reported on honest John a similar incident -although they got the engine replaced for free.

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/owning-1/2019-03/bmw-egr-recall-158000-owners-still-waiting-for-repairs/

I own a 14 plate f31 325d , went in for the egr recall on Friday , they replaced the egr and the cooler did a pressure test and said the manifold has failed so they are ordering one , manifold took off this morning 6/7/20 , got a phone call at 11 saying they have ordered an engine for my car as the swirl flaps had gone into the engine and caused a lot of damage my car ran fine before it went in no noises or anything , has anyone else had this happened to them ? I think the tech has done something wrong and the dealer is fronting the costs , I am very happy that it is getting a new engine fitted for free but should I push for them to explain fully what has happened as it seems strange that it flew apart whilst in the dealers

Chiparus

tabby aspreme wrote: »

What mileage was on the x5

180K km

Chiparus

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

Horrible thing to happen and crazy money they are looking for. What engine was in the X5.

2 lit

Immortal Starlight

Chiparus wrote: »

2 lit

Do you have any extended warranty? I’ve an X5 40d a year younger than yours and I did take one. Don’t know what the outcome would be with the warranty though. It’s ridiculous swirl flaps are still an issue nowadays.

mickdw

A 2.0d engine should be got 2nd hand for reasonable money even if it means going to uk for it.
Get it fitted by good bmw independent.

If this was my car, id be hammering bmw for a completely free repair or else wouldnt darken their door again. They can only say no. If so, go the route as outlined above.
The last thing id be doing is paying crazy lanour rates to the dealer to fix an issue that should be covered.

galwaytt

mickdw wrote: »

If this was my car, id be hammering bmw for a completely free repair or else wouldnt darken their door again.

Great idea in principle, but BMW have absolutely no interest in you darkening their door again.

At this stage OP is just a lifetime of pain to them, and OP would need to buy the next 2 or 3 cars from them just to stay ahead. Easier for them all round if OP walks away.

They'll just hook another new customer instead: easier, less hassle.

Such is the value on 'brand loyalty' these days: there is none. Kinda like insurance companies really.