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GT89

runawaybishop wrote: »

It's under immense strain because a lot of people are sick. We have increased our ICU bed numbers.

Do you, at any time, post anything that isn't a lie?

Was walking past St.Michaels Hospital in Dun Laoghaire the other day the place looked dead no ambulances queing outside the hospital or anything like that.

GT89

Are all the numerous videos of empty hospitals all staged?

Dohnjoe

GT89 wrote: »

Was walking past St.Michaels Hospital in Dun Laoghaire the other day the place looked dead no ambulances queing outside the hospital or anything like that.

Translation: "Walked past a hospital and didn't see mass queues of ambulances and chaos outside, therefore everything is normal, and all of this is a massive conspiracy"

Do you read/watch the news? There are only 30 ICU beds available in the country right now, and the situation is worsening.

King Mob

GT89 wrote: »

Are all the numerous videos of empty hospitals all staged?

No. This has been explained before.

The are many places in hospitals where they might not be as busy as the areas where they need to treat and care for patients with covid.
For example, out patient wards.

And before you say "well why don't they use that space then", please think for a moment.
It isn't just a matter of physical space and actual beds, it's places for where the specialised care be provided and the people to provide it...

Conspiracy theorist film these empty spaces and claim that it's proof of a vast global conspiracy either because they are idiots and didn't check all of the hospital or are miss some vital and obvious information. Or they are tricking people.

GT89

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Translation: "Walked past a hospital and didn't see mass queues of ambulances and chaos outside, therefore everything is normal, and all of this is a massive conspiracy"

Do you read/watch the news? There are only 30 ICU beds available in the country right now, and the situation is worsening.

Might go in for a quick wonder and see what the suss is next time.

Because a bed means a bed is available and also staffed. A high amount of medical professionals are self isolating so there is a shortage of staff despite them being fit to work as they are not sick. In China you need 2 or more respiratory symtoms and 2 positive PCR tests to be deemed a positive case and they are supposed to be covid free no wonder if those are the requirements to be considered a case.

Are all the videos of empty hospitals fake/staged?

Dohnjoe

GT89 wrote: »

A high amount of medical professionals are self isolating so there is a shortage of staff despite them being fit to work as they are not sick.

Infected staff are self isolating so they don't infect their colleagues (and others)

Are all the videos of empty hospitals fake/staged?

Explained to you multiple times, including just now.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115907423&postcount=1295

Your ignorance of the situation is not an argument against what's happening, nor is it evidence of some big conspiracy that none of this is happening

GT89

King Mob wrote: »

No. This has been explained before.

The are many places in hospitals where they might not be as busy as the areas where they need to treat and care for patients with covid.
For example, out patient wards.

And before you say "well why don't they use that space then", please think for a moment.
It isn't just a matter of physical space and actual beds, it's places for where the specialised care be provided and the people to provide it...

Conspiracy theorist film these empty spaces and claim that it's proof of a vast global conspiracy either because they are idiots and didn't check all of the hospital or are miss some vital and obvious information. Or they are tricking people.

If things in the hospitals are that bad then there would be videos showing similar scenes to Wuhan this time last year.

Also security in some of these hospitals are moving people filming on? Why? Do they have something to hide?

King Mob

GT89 wrote: »

If things in the hospitals are that bad then there would be videos showing similar scenes to Wuhan this time last year.

What scenes are you refering to? And why would it be similar?

GT89 wrote: »

Also security in some of these hospitals are moving people filming on? Why? Do they have something to hide?

Because generally it's a bit odd and rude to be filming in hospitals.
And if I saw someone filming a hospital claiming that covid wasn't real, I'd tell them to **** off, cop on and grow up too.

Why in your conspiracy theory would they allow any filming at all?
What do you believe they are hiding?

GT89

King Mob wrote: »

What scenes are you refering to? And why would it be similar?

Videos showing overwhelmed hospitals like this?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/70cOKY3tg0kU/

Because generally it's a bit odd and rude to be filming in hospitals.
And if I saw someone filming a hospital claiming that covid wasn't real, I'd tell them to **** off, cop on and grow up too.

Why in your conspiracy theory would they allow any filming at all?
What do you believe they are hiding?

Hospitals are public property which are funded by you and me. I think there needs to be transparency and they need to show us what is actually going on in the covid wards of hospitals.

Because maybe the hospitals aren't overwhelmed for a start?

aido79

GT89 wrote: »

If things in the hospitals are that bad then there would be videos showing similar scenes to Wuhan this time last year.

Also security in some of these hospitals are moving people filming on? Why? Do they have something to hide?

Do you think things should willfully be allowed to get overwhelmed just to show people like you that it's not a good idea to let things get that bad?
Nobody has said the capacity of the hospitals has been breached yet so why are you so insistent on making it sound like this is the case?

Do you have evidence of security moving people on for films or is it just more hearsay?

King Mob

GT89 wrote: »

Videos showing overwhelmed hospitals like this?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/70cOKY3tg0kU/

Why would it be like that?

GT89 wrote: »

Hospitals are public property which are funded by you and me. I think there needs to be transparency and they need to show us what is actually going on in the covid wards of hospitals.

Cool. Where's it written down that you're allowed to film willy nilly over a hospital based on a mad conspiracy theory you've swallowed from the internet?

Why didn't you do this when you passed the hospital?
Why don't you do it? Go there and show that it's empty.

GT89 wrote: »

Because maybe the hospitals aren't overwhelmed for a start?

But they are starting to get overwhelmed.
As has been said there's only about 30 ICU beds and the numbers of cases are going up.

Not sure why you're so determined to believe a complete fabrication.

I mean I get that you're scared about the uncertainty covid brings, but you can't just replace it with fairy stories you've read on the internet to make yourself feel better.
It's silly and childish.

Dohnjoe

GT89 wrote: »

Hospitals are public property which are funded by you and me. I think there needs to be transparency and they need to show us what is actually going on in the covid wards of hospitals.

We know the situation. You clearly don't. Again, ignorance of a situation is not an argument against it.

Because maybe the hospitals aren't overwhelmed for a start?

Our national health capacity to deal with Covid is at a critical stage. It's obvious you don't read/watch the news on this or if you do you don't "believe" it.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I don't see it and neither do my 3 nurse friends, one ex who's a care assistant and two others. One who is a matron and another who is a toxicoligist.


What hospitals?

I'll just say this. I work in a hospital... in the emergency dept. It went from having the odd patient with covid before Christmas to literally every second one now. All cubicles are full with covid patients. They are now ring fencing whole parts of the E.D. to just deal with those patients so they're in trolleys outside the cubicles. The thing is most of these patients have tested positive for covid but are not showing any symptoms, they're in with other issues. It's normally the already very sick who end up in the wards or ICU with covid. Most are treated for their injuries and sent home.

When you see those stupid videos on the internet of people walking through "empty" hospitals it's because they're walking through hallways where there are limited staff, no visitors and patients are confined to wards. Those videos do not tell the story.

Yes your friends you asked may have not had any covid in their particular ward but there are designated wards for covid. Now the normal wards are being turned into covid wards which has a knock on effect for those needing treatment that aren't covid positive. It's bad. Very bad.

Timberrrrrrrr

GT89 wrote: »

Videos showing overwhelmed hospitals like this?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/70cOKY3tg0kU/



Hospitals are public property which are funded by you and me. I think there needs to be transparency and they need to show us what is actually going on in the covid wards of hospitals.

Because maybe the hospitals aren't overwhelmed for a start?

So if your mother was in hospital tomorrow you think it would be ok for me to just wander in unannounced and start filming? Into private rooms? Wards? ICU? just whip my phone out and film patients lying in bed sick?

King Mob

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So if your mother was in hospital tomorrow you think it would be ok for me to just wander in unannounced and start filming? Into private rooms? Wards? ICU? just whip my phone out and film patients lying in bed sick?

All while bladdering on about how covid is actually a conspiracy by Bill Gates to microchip everyone/depopulate the planet...

runawaybishop

GT89 wrote: »

If things in the hospitals are that bad then there would be videos showing similar scenes to Wuhan this time last year.

Also security in some of these hospitals are moving people filming on? Why? Do they have something to hide?

THE IRISH NURSES and Midwives Organisation (INMO) has said the healthcare system is overloaded and is calling for “urgent governemnt intervention”.

The union’s executive council met today to discuss the “unprecedented” pressure on frontline members due to the rapid growth in Covid-19 cases.

Edit:

Meant to also add that this constant lying from conspiracy loons must be very frustrating for medical staff.

Airyfairy12

GT89 wrote: »

Might go in for a quick wonder and see what the suss is next time.

Because a bed means a bed is available and also staffed. A high amount of medical professionals are self isolating so there is a shortage of staff despite them being fit to work as they are not sick. In China you need 2 or more respiratory symtoms and 2 positive PCR tests to be deemed a positive case and they are supposed to be covid free no wonder if those are the requirements to be considered a case.

Are all the videos of empty hospitals fake/staged?

Id assume they keep covid wards separate from other wards to reduce the risk of infection to non covid patients.
The other wards are mostly empty because with everything locked down, people are getting into less accidents, people arent injuring themselves in work for example,
less people are going to hospital for other issues - youd be surprised how many people go straight to hospital for minor problems when all they need to do is go to their GP or contact a doctor on call - theres been a reduction in people going to hospital for minor issues in the last year. Theres also been a reduction in people going to hospital when they should be going - hence why the HSE and Tony Holohan has been encouraging people to go to hospital if they need treatment.

I think youre coming from an extremely privileged place, youre young with no underlying conditions so you dont feel you have an immediate need to worry about your own health but youre also not close to anyone who is vulnerable or has gotten sick. Theres a bang of im alright jack off covid deniers.

I know first hand that the virus exists because I know people who died from it. I know one very young person aged 19 who died from complications of covid but had no underlying conditions. I also know elderly people who died.
A colleague was in hospital for weeks with the illness after my place of work had multiple outbreaks over the last year. This colleague is in her 40's, a healthy non smoker with no vulnerabilities. I have another colleague who smokes everyday but had no symptoms besides a mild cough. No one knows how their body is going to react to this illness, thats what makes it so frightening and so unpredictable.

arccosh

you talk some serious ****e GT89

get us a pic of St Michaels Covid isolation ward next time you go by

ShatterAlan

I would like to hear what measures might be left in place even if this virus was to be eradicated.



I'm with GT on that count.

Dohnjoe

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I would like to hear what measures might be left in place even if this virus was to be eradicated.

The virus won't disappear suddenly, it should decrease gradually, and as such measures will be lifted gradually. Even then it may not be fully gone (it could stick around like seasonal flu). And yes there could also be flare ups.

Some people will probably continue to wear masks out of habit (mask-wearing is common in e.g. Asia).

ShatterAlan

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The virus won't disappear suddenly, it should decrease gradually, and as such measures will be lifted gradually. Even then it may not be fully gone (it could stick around like seasonal flu). And yes there could also be flare ups.

Some people will probably continue to wear masks out of habit (mask-wearing is common in e.g. Asia).

I was asking what measures might remain in place.

aido79

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I was asking what measures might remain in place.

What measures do you think will remain in place? This is the basis for your conspiracy theory so what are you worried might remain in place?

harrylittle

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Id assume they keep covid wards separate from other wards to reduce the risk of infection to non covid patients.
The other wards are mostly empty because with everything locked down, people are getting into less accidents, people arent injuring themselves in work for example,
less people are going to hospital for other issues - youd be surprised how many people go straight to hospital for minor problems when all they need to do is go to their GP or contact a doctor on call - theres been a reduction in people going to hospital for minor issues in the last year. Theres also been a reduction in people going to hospital when they should be going - hence why the HSE and Tony Holohan has been encouraging people to go to hospital if they need treatment.

I think youre coming from an extremely privileged place, youre young with no underlying conditions so you dont feel you have an immediate need to worry about your own health but youre also not close to anyone who is vulnerable or has gotten sick. Theres a bang of im alright jack off covid deniers.

I know first hand that the virus exists because I know people who died from it. I know one very young person aged 19 who died from complications of covid but had no underlying conditions. I also know elderly people who died.
A colleague was in hospital for weeks with the illness after my place of work had multiple outbreaks over the last year. This colleague is in her 40's, a healthy non smoker with no vulnerabilities. I have another colleague who smokes everyday but had no symptoms besides a mild cough. No one knows how their body is going to react to this illness, thats what makes it so frightening and so unpredictable.

its odd how covid cases suddenly rise when vaccines are being rolled out

runawaybishop

harrylittle wrote: »

its odd how covid cases suddenly rise when vaccines are being rolled out

Unconnected events. Only odd thing is making a connection out of nothing.

ShatterAlan

aido79 wrote: »

What measures do you think will remain in place? This is the basis for your conspiracy theory so what are you worried might remain in place?

I asked a simple question.


Judging by your response I would think that high blood pressure is going to off you a lot quicker than any virus.

ShatterAlan

aido79 wrote: »

What measures do you think will remain in place? This is the basis for your conspiracy theory so what are you worried might remain in place?

And what exactly is my conspiracy theory?

King Mob

harrylittle wrote: »

its odd how covid cases suddenly rise when vaccines are being rolled out

Why is it odd?

Fighting Tao

King Mob wrote: »

Why is it odd?

Did you not hear that there was mass enforced vaccination in Belmullet, Dundalk and Limerick? Everyone has been vaccinated ahead of the vulnerable and front line workers. Therefore the number of cases has increased, and over the next fortnight there will be approximately 115k new cases, which is roughly the total population of the three areas mentioned minus the already reported cases. It is all the vaccines fault because it is designed to microchip everyone and kill anyone over the age of 55.

/s - for those stupid enough to believe what I said...although Harrylittle does appear to be trying to allude to the vaccine giving people the virus.

aido79

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I asked a simple question.


Judging by your response I would think that high blood pressure is going to off you a lot quicker than any virus.

There's nothing wrong with my blood pressure. I'm not the one worrying that covid19 measures are going to be permanent. That's what the thread is about so I presume that's your conspiracy? Apologies if it's not because I haven't read all of your posts.

Tea drinker

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only another year to go lads