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Tour de France 2020 | Stage 12 (Chauvigny - Sarran, 218 km)

  • 10-09-2020 7:28am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,763 ✭✭✭✭


    The longest stage of this year's Tour de France (and the only one above 200k) sees the riders embark on a three-day trek across the Massif Central. With Sagan's hopes of reclaiming the green jersey seemingly gone, it's difficult to see any scenario where this stage does not go to the breakaway.

    Map

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    Timetable

    Start: 11:50

    Intermediate sprint: 13:09/13:12/13:16

    Côte de Saint-Martin-Terressus: 14:22/14:29/14:36

    Côte d'Eybouleuf: 14:45/14:53/15:02

    Côte de la Croix du Pey: 16:02/16:13/16:26

    Suc au May: 16:22/16:34/16:48

    Finish: 16:57/17:11/17:27



    Climbs

    The stage goes from flat to rolling to hilly to mid-mountainous over the course of its length, with the intermediate sprint falling in the first of these parts. Indeed, the first categorised climb comes almost halfway through the stage. 1.6k at 7.9%, the Côte de Saint-Martin-Terressus is hard by cat. 4 standards. The next climb, Côte d'Eybouleuf (cat. 4), is easier, not much trickier than the uncategorised ramps in the next 50k to Treignac.

    The final 50k of the stage feature the two main climbs. The former, the Côte de la Croix du Pey, has some good ramps for a cat. 3 of this length, it should separate the wheat from the chaff.

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    The final climb of the day is the cat. 2 Suc au May, and it's more difficult than the average gradient suggests. There's a short descent near the end and some legitimately hard ramps before it, it would possibly have been hard enough for GC action had it come a little closer to the finish. As it is, there's just over 25k to go, most of it on rolling, often narrow roads.

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    Finish

    We're in a very rural part of the Limousin and hence the roads aren't the widest. The final 5k are somewhat uphill.

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    General classification after Stage 11

    Primoz Roglic
    Egan Bernal + 0.21
    Guillaume Martin + 0.28
    Romain Bardet + 0.30
    Nairo Quintana + 0.32
    Rigoberto Uran s.t.
    Tadej Pogacar + 0.44
    Adam Yates + 1.02
    Miguel Ángel López + 1.15
    Mikel Landa + 1.42
    Points classification after Stage 11

    Sam Bennett 243
    Peter Sagan 175
    Bryan Coquard 155
    Caleb Ewan 155
    Matteo Trentin 140
    Mountains classification after Stage 11

    Benoît Cosnefroy 36
    Nans Peters 31
    Marc Hirschi 26
    Ilnur Zakarin 25
    Toms Skujins 24
    Young riders classification after Stage 10

    Egan Bernal
    Tadej Pogacar + 0.23
    Enric Mas + 1.41
    Sergio Higuita + 5.47
    Daniel Felipe Martinez + 52.12


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭bazermc


    Hard to predict who could win this sort of stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,870 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    I'd expect a big breakaway today with a small selection left to win the stage from it hopefully.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,770 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    It looks a breakaway day


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭freddie_


    Sagan to go all out and try and reclaim as much points as possible today, will look for both the intermediates and the stage win. He is well able to get over most climbs when he goes all out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,084 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Tomas De Gendt


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    freddie_ wrote: »
    Sagan to go all out and try and reclaim as much points as possible today, will look for both the intermediates and the stage win. He is well able to get over most climbs when he goes all out.

    DQS will hardly let him go up the road before the intermediate sprint. I'd imagine they will keep a right rein in him until after that and give Sam the chance to defend those points at least.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    No break before 51 KMs unless Sagan is in it

    Bora will drill it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    freddie_ wrote: »
    Sagan to go all out and try and reclaim as much points as possible today, will look for both the intermediates and the stage win. He is well able to get over most climbs when he goes all out.

    Hopefully a much more Interesting day from the off today.

    Talk of Sagan going home early if he cant compete for Green.
    Wants to prepare for Giro - Contractually?

    Read that Bora might try an early breakaway to get to that first intermediate sprint for Sagan.
    & that Bora might team up with CCC for that.

    Alaphilippe also might give this stage a crack after the breakaway is reeled in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    CMcsporty wrote: »
    Wants to prepare for Giro - Contractually?
    Well he's contractually obliged to go to the Giro. Skipping the classics. imo this will be his last contract, and he'll move to the US. I get they're professional, so money comes first, but him missing out on Flanders and Roubaix at this stage of his career is ridiculous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,084 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Could see DQS sending the likes of Jungles & Alaphilipe up the road in any break away especially if Sagans in it. Jungles has been quiet so far and used sparingly


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭happytramp


    freddie_ wrote: »
    Sagan to go all out and try and reclaim as much points as possible today, will look for both the intermediates and the stage win. He is well able to get over most climbs when he goes all out.

    I'd love an exciting battle for points but It'll be a lot of work for Bora to keep it together for 50k... We could well end up with a massive break formed in the first 10k that stays away for the day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    Macy0161 wrote: »
    Well he's contractually obliged to go to the Giro. Skipping the classics. imo this will be his last contract, and he'll move to the US. I get they're professional, so money comes first, but him missing out on Flanders and Roubaix at this stage of his career is ridiculous.

    Contractually more money in it for him on the Giro this year?
    Or maybe i picked it up wrong. Just gets money for winning a green. TdF and if not on to the Giro


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    This breakaway group is good news for Sam


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,506 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    CMcsporty wrote: »
    This breakaway group is good news for Sam


    Would it not be better for Sam if there were about 20+ riders in the peloton and they hoover up all the points at the end?

    Sam won't make it to the finish in the same group as Sagan.


  • Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sagan trying to go now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,506 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    This is some battle


  • Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sagan doesn't look pleased


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    This is some battle

    Its good stuff.
    The more non greens the better im sure for Sam. But at least those 4 will take the larger points from Sagan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    CMcsporty wrote: »
    Contractually more money in it for him on the Giro this year?
    Or maybe i picked it up wrong. Just gets money for winning a green. TdF and if not on to the Giro
    I don't think it's 100% confirmed, but there are strong indicators he is being paid to go to the Giro. Came up with excuses that it was starting near slovakia - which it was, but isn't now!


  • Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nice, Sam took 9 and Morkov 8 there.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Eamonnator


    How many points did Sagan get?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,967 ✭✭✭De Bhál


    Eamonnator wrote: »
    How many points did Sagan get?

    7


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 684 ✭✭✭Toblerone1978


    How many points for the green jersey are up for grabs at the end line? Or is the same for every stage?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭CrowdedHouse


    How many points for the green jersey are up for grabs at the end line? Or is the same for every stage?

    Varies according to a coefficient

    Today

    road stages with a rolling profile (art.22-coeff. 3):
    30-25-22-19-17-15-13-11-9-7-6-5-4-3-2 points to the first
    15 riders;

    Seven Worlds will Collide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Even Sam's leadout man beating Sagan in the sprint. I love this Morkov guy!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    Zzippy wrote: »
    Even Sam's leadout man beating Sagan in the sprint. I love this Morkov guy!

    They look good for green now that Alaphilippe is out of GC.

    Looks like Morkov will be Sam's lead out. Deqlercq a super-domestique and Styber also also helping out. Kasper Asgreen is also be there to help.
    Maybe Asgreen could even win this today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,506 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    CMcsporty wrote: »
    They look good for green now that Alaphilippe is out of GC.

    Looks like Morkov will be Sam's lead out. Deqlercq a super-domestique and Styber also also helping out. Kasper Asgreen is also be there to help.
    Maybe Asgreen could even win this today.


    Stybar isn't in the race :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    Stybar isn't in the race :D

    Oh!
    Who's the other lad in there helping Sam then?
    Cavagna?

    I see he replaced Stybar now!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,084 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Eurosport showing a race in France, talking about races in Italy and giving weather updates on Spain. The ramblings of a cycling commentator


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,967 ✭✭✭De Bhál


    Sam at the back of the peloton with his team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭Gallant_JJ


    Are there sprint points at today’s finish?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭happytramp


    Gallant_JJ wrote: »
    Are there sprint points at today’s finish?

    Yep. 30 for the winner. 25 for 2nd, 22 fir 3rd and so on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,506 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    happytramp wrote: »
    Yep. 30 for the winner. 25 for 2nd, 22 fir 3rd and so on.


    That's probably the biggest positive for Sam now today... that at most he could lose 30 points to Sagan. Luckily it's not 50

    Sam gone out the back now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,770 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    neris wrote: »
    Eurosport showing a race in France, talking about races in Italy and giving weather updates on Spain. The ramblings of a cycling commentator

    I don’t mind them talking about Tirreno-Adriatico cos it’s been shown on Eurosport but weather in Spain ! Lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,174 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    Sagan falling off now so won't lose anything.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,658 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Sunweb are great craic, firing 3-4 people into breaks, or putting the whole team as a sprint train to finish 14th o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Eamonnator


    Is Sagan in the same group as Yellow and White jerseys?
    I had to go out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,174 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    kmart6 wrote: »
    Sagan falling off now so won't lose anything.
    Eamonnator wrote: »
    Is Sagan in the same group as Yellow and White jerseys?
    I had to go out.

    ^


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭CantGetNoSleep


    There's enough people up ahead to look like the winner won't come from that group, plus still a Cat 2 climb to come


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,658 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Eamonnator wrote: »
    Is Sagan in the same group as Yellow and White jerseys?
    I had to go out.

    Yeah, he's hanging at the back of it


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,658 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Cmon Hirschi, third time lucky!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    LOL - Sagan out the back, Alaphilippe attacked off the front.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,506 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Nico in the chase group behind Hirschi


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Eamonnator


    Sagan is still hanging in with the Yellow jersey group, the hoor!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭Cartman78


    Only watching the last 15 mins or so.....how far off the peloton is Bennett?

    Sagan hanging on the back of it somehow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 797 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Come on Roche... Keep the chasing group going... This could be big for Sam...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭velo.2010


    How long before the UCI ban using the computer and mount as a clip on aero bar?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭dave_o_brien


    I'd be delighted for Hirschi.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,955 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    CowboyTed wrote: »
    Come on Roche... Keep the chasing group going... This could be big for Sam...

    He can't chase another Sunweb rider.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭dave_o_brien


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    He can't chase another Sunweb rider.

    And in case it does come back, he should keep his powder dry.


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