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9 mm carbines

  • 07-09-2020 4:23pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 43 bmmb88


    I see the Nasrpc have a category for Open Centrefire Gallery Rifle
    What type of carbines are people using.

    I would be interested in getting it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 348 ✭✭ BillBen


    Some people have m1 carbines in 30 Cal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    Do the gallery folks have a 9mm carbine rifle section?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 43 bmmb88


    According to their web sit and the list of disciplines in the upcoming competition they do. I wasnt aware of it till now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,373 ✭✭✭✭ Mellor


    BillBen wrote: »
    Some people have m1 carbines in 30 Cal.
    M1 carbines have their own category though.
    Open class is larger 9mm-11mm calibres.

    I think Ruger have a 9mm Carbine thats been popular in the states.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭ tudderone


    Ruger used to do a centrefire carbine that looked like a scaled up 10/22, and was available in .357 and .44. I think thats gone but they do a modern replacement.

    https://ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/models.html


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  • Registered Users Posts: 37,373 ✭✭✭✭ Mellor


    tudderone wrote: »
    Ruger used to do a centrefire carbine that looked like a scaled up 10/22, and was available in .357 and .44. I think thats gone but they do a modern replacement.

    https://ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/models.html
    That's the one i was thinking of.
    It’s designed to magazines interchangeably from a ruger pistols. Can be set up to take glock mags too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    The Ruger PC 9mk2.
    Talked to the main Ruger distributors in Ireland,and they wont/cant import it because of the DOJ's ...Reasons!:rolleyes:

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭ tudderone


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    The Ruger PC 9mk2.
    Talked to the main Ruger distributors in Ireland,and they wont/cant import it because of the DOJ's ...Reasons!:rolleyes:

    What about getting one in merry old Germany ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 43 bmmb88


    Does anyone actually have a 9mm carbine in Ireland. Have any been licensed


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    tudderone wrote: »
    What about getting one in merry old Germany ?

    Rather dear over there and quite rare. Ruger is generally expensive over there for some reason. 10/22 2nd hand can go for over 600 euros on Egun
    You are looking at 500 upwards for the older model with the dedicated Ruger mags.

    The newer model proably inc the 10/22 takedown might fall foul of the German gun law as a possible prohibited firearm,as it can be taken apart quickly,and longest part is under 50[?] cms.Same reason the Armalite/Charter/Henry arms AR7 is a prohibited firearm in Germany.

    Options otherwise are the Marlin 9mm camp gun,not made anymore unfortunately,and are a super accurate little rifle You can sometimes luck into one for around the 500 euro mark

    If you have a restrictd 9mm handgun here,you could buy a system chassis and turn it into a poor mans PDW type thingy.

    Chiappa do a 9mm M1 carbine lookalike.Havent heard about them good or bad.

    After that you are into the thousands for AR style 9mm type guns made by, Hanel,Schmeisser,Oberland, etc.And if you have money to burn there is of course HK and SIG

    Belive the Poles and the Czechs have some 9mm AK type thingies out as well in 9mm.But they wont be cheap either.

    Bretta do a 9mm carbine too,but at Bretta prices,and it might be discontinued too?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭ tudderone


    Of course, the Beretta CX-4 Storm. Made in Italy should be available here ?





  • Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭ Uinseann_16


    You could get a Ruger pc 9 from Poland or Sweden and import it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭ juice1304


    The ruger takedowns are legal in germany i sold quite a few of them.
    You cant legally import a ruger or any american firearms from germany becuase of ITAR its in the end user agreement that it can only be sold and stay in that country. Or at least that is what my boss told me as he wouldnt export any of them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,373 ✭✭✭✭ Mellor


    Considering gallery rifle originated out of the UK pistol ban. What about UK 9mm lever release types. SGC seems to be a popular option over there for custom builds. http://www.southern-gun.co.uk/example-gun-build/#9mmlr


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    Mellor wrote: »
    Considering gallery rifle originated out of the UK pistol ban. What about UK 9mm lever release types. SGC seems to be a popular option over there for custom builds. http://www.southern-gun.co.uk/example-gun-build/#9mmlr

    The Uk prohibition extended to them being manufactured in the UK anymore,as they are now classed as sect 5. Dont think you could even buy one off someone who would lose theirs under the legislation?:(:(

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭ tudderone


    Mellor wrote: »
    Considering gallery rifle originated out of the UK pistol ban. What about UK 9mm lever release types. SGC seems to be a popular option over there for custom builds. http://www.southern-gun.co.uk/example-gun-build/#9mmlr

    The police etc over there are trying to get laws passed that they didn't get with the offensive weapons bill last year, you will need security in excess of what RFD's need in order to own a .50bmg rifle, despite the fact those rifles have never been used in a crime.




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    juice1304 wrote: »
    The ruger takedowns are legal in germany i sold quite a few of them.
    You cant legally import a ruger or any american firearms from germany becuase of ITAR its in the end user agreement that it can only be sold and stay in that country. Or at least that is what my boss told me as he wouldnt export any of them.


    Thought it would have fallen under this;
    § 17 WaffG Verbotene Waffen
    WaffG - Waffengesetz 1996

    von Schußwaffen, die über das für Jagd- und Sportzwecke übliche Maß hinaus zum Zusammenklappen, Zusammenschieben, Verkürzen oder schleunigen Zerlegen eingerichtet sind.

    Translated. Prohibited firearms for sport or hunting that are designed and can be quickly folded,telescoped,shortned,or disassembled .

    It's the ITAR end user cert that was the worry,as Germany is on the ITAR trusted list,and its a pain to deal with. Ive seen a few DPMS rifles here on the ranges that came from Germany,so it must be doable,as Ireland is a country they can export to ,but the sale must be a written confirmation of end user.At least with scopes and NV
    .ITAR has been transferred to the US dept of Commerce as well recently[Thanks Prez Trump!],so it should also become a lot more user friendly too.Not to mind with the paperwork these days of buying and transferring a firearm in the EU.I doubt the Feds and the UN will have to worry too much on Alli Snackbar dropping in to buy a DPMS,or whatever over the counter anywhere in Europe anymore.:)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭ juice1304


    No thats just for folding/telescopic shotgun stocks basically.
    Otherwise every double or combination gun would be banned and blaser sauer merkel ar's etc. would all be banned.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    juice1304 wrote: »
    No thats just for folding/telescopic shotgun stocks basically.
    Otherwise every double or combination gun would be banned and blaser sauer merkel ar's etc. would all be banned.

    Need to check that Juice.
    I was covering this in the 1980s when I was doing my Jagd schein. It was there even then.That was in 1984/85 That 1996 date was a refresher,or something was modified in the law then.And there was something about the longest part being under 40 cms that made a gun prohibited.
    Its still the reason the AR7 is an absolute no no in Germany

    Its more like these kind of yokes they imagine as poachers guns.

    https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP._SVI66dxlVR86EjUx927zQHaEK%26pid%3DApi&f=1


    https://tirv1.orf.at/static/vietnam2/images/site/oesv1/201042/wildererzeug_big.jpg

    You are quite right,that it would prohibit any conventional take down gun or shotgun,but they are exempted. If it was just for folding or telescoping stocks,then most of the semi auto rifles and pumps would be illegal over there in certain configurations.

    With the pump shotguns ,you are thinking of the "pumpers" thats a pump with just a rear pistol grip and no stock whatsoever,and a possible front vertical grip?

    Well,if you are selling them,they must be legal as they would have to pass muster with the BKA technical dept in Weisbaden who decide on whats what and whether it is legal to be sold or not to the public.:)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 428 ✭✭ Brontosaurus


    So does anyone have a semi-auto 9mm carbine licensed? And have any competitions for such been done/organized? Seems unnecessarily hard to even find out about different shooting disciplines in Ireland, like everyone is happy with their cliques and want no new blood.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,772 ✭✭✭ meathstevie


    juice1304 wrote: »
    The ruger takedowns are legal in germany i sold quite a few of them.
    You cant legally import a ruger or any american firearms from germany becuase of ITAR its in the end user agreement that it can only be sold and stay in that country. Or at least that is what my boss told me as he wouldnt export any of them.

    That’s the whole point of an end user agreement. A lot of illegal international arms trade in the past has played loose and fast with end user agreements. Surprisingly the US among others turned plenty a blind eye if the pallets of bang bang sticks ended up with “friendly” people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭ tudderone


    So does anyone have a semi-auto 9mm carbine licensed? And have any competitions for such been done/organized? Seems unnecessarily hard to even find out about different shooting disciplines in Ireland, like everyone is happy with their cliques and want no new blood.

    Got to agree with you on that point. Look at most people shooting and they are 40's, 50's at least usually. Trying to get into a game club is like trying to get into the freemasons. Same with some target shooting clubs, one i know you won't get into unless you are friends of the family who owns it.

    Most clubs have waiting lists for potential memberships. If things don't change on that front and if all these laws keep landing on us, i can see shooting dying a death here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭ kellbag91


    I don't know where you're located but give Nitsa a look, just over the boarder near Newry. They are always looking for new members and they have a big selection of pistols to use. Good few lads from the south attend.


  • Registered Users Posts: 43 bmmb88


    So does anyone have a semi-auto 9mm carbine licensed? And have any competitions for such been done/organized?


    I asked that in thread #10 but got no reply.
    :mad: so I presume no one on here has one or knows of any. Pity as it would be a nice new discipline to shoot.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    Or they are not here on boards...
    I do belive they have done a workaround in NI for this with some pistol designs.
    But then NI was always more liberal on things like that than the Republic.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    IF you have a CF pistol in something like Glock, CZ, SIG or a 1911, you can get a pistol carbine conversion kit to give you a PDW/carbine style 9mm on your pistol. They are a bit pricey mind but would be legal here and proably less hassle than trying to license a new 9mm carbine,esp if it is Glock mag compatible, and you are left hanging with the high capacity mag ban.

    https://shop.norlite.de/

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