Hiring excavator and tractor and dumper.

Speakerboxx

How much would you expect to pay:

1. A driver with 30t digger to do work for 5.5 hours?

2 A driver of tractor and dumper to draw stone for 2.5 hours?

What would you expect to pay in cash for the above ?

What would you expect to pay for the above if VAT is included in price ?

Limestone Cowboy

Probably more than you are expecting. I can't think of anyone that would go to the hassle of moving a 30t machine for 5 hours work.

Speakerboxx

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Probably more than you are expecting. I can't think of anyone that would go to the hassle of moving a 30t machine for 5 hours work.

Depends on the job. Any idea of cost?

jaymla627

Speakerboxx wrote: »

How much would you expect to pay:

1. A driver with 30t digger to do work for 5.5 hours?

2 A driver of tractor and dumper to draw stone for 2.5 hours?

What would you expect to pay in cash for the above ?

What would you expect to pay for the above if VAT is included in price ?

Haulage alone for 30t digger a minimum of 250 euro depending on distances, 5.5 hours digging 70 euro a hour x 5.5 385 euro and your tractor plus dumptrailer at 50 euro a hour and say 4 hours total to allow for travel to job another 200 euro, so circa 850 euro and that's assuming you'll get someone to do it for such a small job

farisfat

700

Speakerboxx

farisfat wrote: »

700

Inc VAT or cash job?

fastrac94

Speakerboxx wrote: »

Inc VAT or cash job?

Put a 1 in front of that 700 before any lad would put a 30 tonner up on a low loader for half a days work...

Wildly Boaring

Does it really, really need to be a 30t excavator?

A 12t or 15t could be brought on a tractor and trailer

Speakerboxx

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Does it really, really need to be a 30t excavator?

A 12t or 15t could be brought on a tractor and trailer

Its not me asking him to bring a 30t digger. That's what he has. Sorry for asking.

Pkiernan

Didn't think discussion of tax evasion was allowed on boards.

_Brian

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Probably more than you are expecting. I can't think of anyone that would go to the hassle of moving a 30t machine for 5 hours work.

They will do it On a job rate rather than An hourly rate and it will likely cover minimum one days hire.

keepalive213

Recently had a 13 tonne plus driver for 3 and a half days, 6 tonne dumper for 2 days, tractor and 14t dump trailer for about 2 hours. The guys yard is only a mile away.
Came in at €1050, was well happy with that.

_Brian

keepalive213 wrote: »

Recently had a 13 tonne plus driver for 3 and a half days, 6 tonne dumper for 2 days, tractor and 14t dump trailer for about 2 hours. The guys yard is only a mile away.
Came in at €1050, was well happy with that.

He’s done you a serious favour there.

Wildly Boaring

Speakerboxx wrote: »

Its not me asking him to bring a 30t digger. That's what he has. Sorry for asking.

Ok.
If he has he 30t has he his own lowloader and is he close?

What we're all getting at here is the price if hauling in and out the 30t is more expensive then the rest of your work added together.

Wildly Boaring

Went to bother of pulling out invoice for a similar job
ie Single day work

All ex VAT, he's one parish over

13t
Carraige 150 (75 e/w)
Excavator plus driver 45/h
Tractor plus dump trailer plus driver 40/h
10t dumper 100 a day

Speakerboxx

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Ok.
If he has he 30t has he his own lowloader and is he close?

What we're all getting at here is the price if hauling in and out the 30t is more expensive then the rest of your work added together.

He has

He is less than 3 miles away.

Wildly Boaring

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Ok.
If he has he 30t has he his own lowloader and is he close?

What we're all getting at here is the price if hauling in and out the 30t is more expensive then the rest of your work added together.

A days work is small enough to bring in an excavator, dumper etc for no doubt so might be down the pecking order and have to wait until he is passing between jobs.

That being said I wouldn’t see a massive difference between moving a 13 tonne and a 30 tonne bar a bit more diesel burned in the tractor not sure where the massive extra moving costs are coming from.

Speakerboxx

Aviana Ugly Variation wrote: »

A days work is small enough to bring in an excavator, dumper etc for no doubt so might be down the pecking order and have to wait until he is passing between jobs.

That being said I wouldn’t see a massive difference between moving a 13 tonne and a 30 tonne bar a bit more diesel burned in the tractor not sure where the massive extra moving costs are coming from.

Would a ballpark figure of €400-€500 be a good price?

Wildly Boaring

Aviana Ugly Variation wrote: »

That being said I wouldn’t see a massive difference between moving a 13 tonne and a 30 tonne bar a bit more diesel burned in the tractor not sure where the massive extra moving costs are coming from.

Well for a start a 30t will be on a truck.
There is no legal way to tow a 30t behind a tractor

jaymla627

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Well for a start a 30t will be on a truck.
There is no legal way to tow a 30t behind a tractor

A normal artic plus low loader wouldn't be road legal hauling a 30ton machine plus buckets either, your talking a specialised heavy haulage rig

Wildly Boaring

Speakerboxx wrote: »

Would a ballpark figure of €400-€500 be a good price?

6 times 70 an hour for the 30t =420
3 times 40 an hour for the tractor and trailer = 120
Plus VAT plus transport

Expect the 30t to be min of 8 hours hire though

Wildly Boaring

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Well for a start a 30t will be on a truck.
There is no legal way to tow a 30t behind a tractor

I see 30t Excavators being hauled by tractors. A lad that does work for us being one of them. Any bits of local moving of machines lads won’t be getting in trucks.

I used to haul a 21 tonne with a 100hp tractor myself very occasionally back in the day when I was working summers for a construction company. Was tough going but doable. A 200hp plus tractor should have no issue with a 30t.

jaymla627

Aviana Ugly Variation wrote: »

I see 30t Excavators being hauled by tractors. A lad that does work for us being one of them. Any bits of local moving of machines lads won’t be getting in trucks.

I used to haul a 21 tonne with a 100hp tractor myself very occasionally back in the day when I was working summers for a construction company. Was tough going but doable. A 200hp plus tractor should have no issue with a 30t.

If the RSA stopped any tractor and low loader combination with a 30 ton excavator in tow, the driver would likely lose his licence and owner of machines would be facing serious fines and a criminal record

Wildly Boaring

jaymla627 wrote: »

If the RSA stopped any tractor and low loader combination with a 30 ton excavator in tow, the driver would likely lose his licence and owner of machines would be facing serious fines and a criminal record

And has happened recently.
Twice in Cork last year vehicles were impounded with 20t excavators behind tractors. Never mind 30.

Not sure if gone to court yet

Wildly Boaring

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

And has happened recently.
Twice in Cork last year vehicles were impounded with 20t excavators behind tractors. Never mind 30.

Not sure if gone to court yet

20t aren’t legal? Whatever about 30t, 21 tonnes are common place up on low loaders see it all the time. You won’t find many lads around us using a truck for hauling.

Plenty of pics on facebooks of plant operations with 21 tonne plus machines behind tractors too.

I’d say the chances of being stopped around your local area or non-existent, well in my area anyway. Different up around Dublin or going through a city etc.

BorneTobyWilde

I'd say 600.00 would be a fair price. Not a lot of hours involved.

keepalive213

I've often seen tractors doin 50k through the village with a 12t on a lowloader and not even a chain trying it down and some young lad driving takin snapchats.
Laws seem to be more like guidelines in rural Ireland.

Wildly Boaring

Aviana Ugly Variation wrote: »

20t aren’t legal? Whatever about 30t, 21 tonnes are common place up on low loaders see it all the time. You won’t find many lads around us using a truck for hauling.

Plenty of pics on facebooks of plant operations with 21 tonne plus machines behind tractors too.

I’d say the chances of being stopped around your local area or non-existent, well in my area anyway. Different up around Dublin or going through a city etc.

20t can be legal if done correctly
Plated lowloader and there's plenty requirements to achieve on a tractor trailer.

30t is almost impossible behind a tractor.

Man was looking for a price. Sure anyone can quote of Jimmy the cowboy over the road.

500 quid and a box of Carrolls.
Make sure he doesn't hurt himself on your premises or expect to be cleaned out.

Jd310

Nearly sure our tractor is plated to tow 33,000~kg gross aslong as on a braked trailer, understand a low loader to take a 30 ton digger would be more than 3 tonne but it wouldn’t be awfully far away in fairness. Wouldn’t wanna be taking any buckets but.

have2flushtwice

A 30 ton is a serious machine and serious volume of material can be moved. If a tractor and dump trailer is needed the dump trailer will be under serious pressure to keep into the 30t.

Would ya be better going for another contractor with a smaller machine? I see a 20t down the road here doing a drain and the whole place is in pure ****e. Need another digger in to clean up after him!

Limestone Cowboy

Jd310 wrote: »

Nearly sure our tractor is plated to tow 33,000~kg gross aslong as on a braked trailer, understand a low loader to take a 30 ton digger would be more than 3 tonne but it wouldn’t be awfully far away in fairness. Wouldn’t wanna be taking any buckets but.

I've never seen a tractor drawn low loader plated for more than 27 ton.