High mileage car

Pinoy adventure

Hi all
I'm looking at buying a 162 Toyota avensis with 96,000kms/60,000m on the clock.
Would this be considered high for the year ? And should I avoid buying it from a Toyota main dealer because of the reading ?
Any input would be great.
Thanks

bazz26

That is not high mileage for a 4 year old car.

Pinoy adventure

bazz26 wrote: »

That is not high mileage for a 4 year old car.

25,000km is per year is not high ?
Would it matter about the service history on the car ?

grayzer75

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

Hi all
I'm looking at buying a 162 Toyota avensis with 96,000kms/60,000m on the clock.
Would this be considered high for the year ? And should I avoid buying it from a Toyota main dealer because of the reading ?
Any input would be great.
Thanks

I'm driving a 2016 VW Tiguan with 80k miles - I have it from new and get it serviced with VW as per manufacturer recommendations and it drives perfectly.

It's not about the mileage but more about the servicing and how it was looked after.

colm_mcm

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

25,000km is per year is not high ?
Would it matter about the service history on the car ?

The service history is more important than the mileage.

bazz26

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

25,000km is per year is not high ?
Would it matter about the service history on the car ?

25k km per year on a diesel is not high, it's average. Why do you think it is?

Heres Johnny

Ive a 2014 A6 with 90k kms and I consider it extremely low. Yours is only 2 years younger so I wouldnt consider it high. Probably wont affect the car but dont pay the same for it as one with half the mileage, thats the only thing I'll recommend.

Buy the car if you like, wouldnt put me off.

Superfoods

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

Hi all
I'm looking at buying a 162 Toyota avensis with 96,000kms/60,000m on the clock.
Would this be considered high for the year ? And should I avoid buying it from a Toyota main dealer because of the reading ?
Any input would be great.
Thanks

60k miles? he has hardly been driven

Pinoy adventure

bazz26 wrote: »

25k km per year on a diesel is not high, it's average. Why do you think it is?

We only do very small mileage per year,we would be lucky if we done 5000km per year.
We are trading our own car 09 with 60,000km on the clock for it and I was a bit shocked with 96,000 on a 2016

elperello

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

We only do very small mileage per year,we would be lucky if we done 5000km per year.
We are trading our own car 09 with 60,000km on the clock for it and I was a bit shocked with 96,000 on a 2016

If you only do < 5k km p.a. a petrol might suit you better.

I get your issue trading "up" to a car with more clocked up than your trade in is a bit of a shocker.

Maybe keep your car?

Pinoy adventure

elperello wrote: »

If you only do < 5k km p.a. a petrol might suit you better.

I get your issue trading "up" to a car with more clocked up than your trade in is a bit of a shocker.

Maybe keep your car?

The petrol tax is more expensive and a petrol model is almost €2000 more in price.
We would but the tax is €570 a year and it's needs Nct every year as it's more than 10 year old which is a bit of a pain

colm_mcm

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

We would but the tax is €570 a year and it's needs Nct every year as it's more than 10 year old which is a bit of a pain

Is this the main reason for changing?

Pinoy adventure

colm_mcm wrote: »

Is this the main reason for changing?

Yes and it's getting older too

colm_mcm

Rationally, it doesn’t make sense, a 2016 diesel is as likely to give issues as what you’re driving

bazz26

It seems insane to go for a diesel car with the tiny mileage you are doing. What sort of budget do you have, maybe people here can recommend petrol alternatives.

elperello

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

The petrol tax is more expensive and a petrol model is almost €2000 more in price.
We would but the tax is €570 a year and it's needs Nct every year as it's more than 10 year old which is a bit of a pain

What model do you drive now?

Is a couple of extra trips to the NCT worth laying out a lot of money for?

Would you consider a hybrid, something like a Prius?

Pinoy adventure

bazz26 wrote: »

It seems insane to go for a diesel car with the tiny mileage you are doing. What sort of budget do you have, maybe people here can recommend petrol alternatives.

The car we are looking at is 14,950 and we are giving our car as a trade so the balance is 11500.we are going up 7 years

Pinoy adventure

elperello wrote: »

What model do you drive now?

Is a couple of extra trips to the NCT worth laying out a lot of money for?

Would you consider a hybrid, something like a Prius?

A 1.4 petrol Toyota Corolla terra 2009.
Perhaps not but you'd have too factor in 2 years tax savings is almost 800 plus 2 years Nct of another 150 ish.
No she/we don't like the Prius but the new hybrid Corolla is nice but outside our budget.

bazz26

I'd stick with petrol if I were you OP, I'd look towards the Skoda Octavia if it's a decent sized family car your after:

https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2586567&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D80%26o%5B%5D%3D682%26f%3D1%26t%3D1%26yn%3D2015%26yx%3D2016%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2596251&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D80%26o%5B%5D%3D682%26f%3D1%26t%3D1%26yn%3D2015%26yx%3D2016%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

Just as roomy as the Avensis and has a more practical hatchback boot over the saloon opening on the Avensis.

colm_mcm

Excellent suggestion above.

Pinoy adventure

bazz26 wrote: »

I'd stick with petrol if I were you OP, I'd look towards the Skoda Octavia if it's a decent sized family car your after:

https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2586567&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D80%26o%5B%5D%3D682%26f%3D1%26t%3D1%26yn%3D2015%26yx%3D2016%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2596251&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D80%26o%5B%5D%3D682%26f%3D1%26t%3D1%26yn%3D2015%26yx%3D2016%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

Just as roomy as the Avensis and has a more practical hatchback boot over the saloon opening on the Avensis.

Why stick with petrol ?
You could also make savings on full tank of fuel every couple of weeks.
Would a desil be less suited for less mileage ?

Uncle Pierre

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

We would but the tax is €570 a year and it's needs Nct every year as it's more than 10 year old which is a bit of a pain

Annual road tax for a 2016 Avensis seems to be €200, which means a saving of €370 on tax each year.

Price of an NCT is around €50 and you'd be saving that every second year. That's the equivalent of saving €25 per year on NCT.

Total savings per year are therefore approx €395. So to make back your €11,500 "price to change", it would take close to 30 years.

Going back to your original question - 25,000 km (approx 15,000 miles) would definitely be considered very average for your typical family car. Don't know where you live or what sort of driving you do if you only do 5,000 km or less per year, but am guessing it might be city or town living, where you rarely venture outside of that city or town?

In any event, since you do you so little driving compared to most, that 09 car should continue to serve you well for a few years yet. Even if it is a bit of a pain having to bring it for NCT every year instead of only every second year!

colm_mcm

Diesels are not suited for repeated short journeys,

You don’t get full fuel economy in them when they’re cold, but this is often overstated or exaggerated.

Heating system doesn’t work til engine is warm, diesel takes longer to warm up

DPF system needs to regenerate periodically, it will not be able to do one if the car is switched off mid cycle, or the exhaust system isn’t warmed up enough to do it in the first place.

The Avensis is a dinosaur at this stage, you need to broaden your horizons a bit.

Even a newer Corolla with the 1.33 petrol engine would give you tax savings.

bazz26

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

Why stick with petrol ?
You could also make savings on full tank of fuel every couple of weeks.
Would a desil be less suited for less mileage ?

Your tiny mileage means minuscule savings on fuel if any at all. Your simply not driving a car enough for fuel costs to make a difference. The whole concept of a diesel is to save money on fuel over longer or more frequent journeys.

Pinoy adventure

Uncle Pierre wrote: »

Annual road tax for a 2016 Avensis seems to be €200, which means a saving of €370 on tax each year.

Price of an NCT is around €50 and you'd be saving that every second year. That's the equivalent of saving €25 per year on NCT.

Total savings per year are therefore approx €395. So to make back your €11,500 "price to change", it would take close to 30 years.

Going back to your original question - 25,000 km (approx 15,000 miles) would definitely be considered very average for your typical family car. Don't know where you live or what sort of driving you do if you only do 5,000 km or less per year, but am guessing it might be city or town living, where you rarely venture outside of that city or town?

In any event, since you do you so little driving compared to most, that 09 car should continue to serve you well for a few years yet. Even if it is a bit of a pain having to bring it for NCT every year instead of only every second year!

We live in a city and 99% of driving is in the city

User1998

Unpopular opinion here but I don’t think OP is going to have any diesel related issues only driving 5,000km a year. Think of it they’d be driving a good 10-15 years until the DPF light came on no?

Regarding the fuel economy a petrol car isn’t as efficient when its cold either.

But I still agree that the petrol Octavia is a much better option. Petrol is much more refined and quiet and a nicer drive overall. I’d have an Octavia over an Avensis, fuel type aside.

Spending €15k to avoid a yearly NCT and saving a few quid on tax is mad but theres no shame in just wanting a newer car because your current car is ‘old’.

I think you should just chose the car you like best and if it means you end up in a diesel then so be it, but you should definitely have a drive in a modern petrol car, they’re much more refined and also give good fuel economy

Edit: Also if you buy a high mileage car now (or something you consider high mileage) you’ll save a good amount on the purchase price compared to a low mileage one, and you’ll only de driving 5,000km a year so when you eventually sell the car or trade it in the mileage will have evened out and it be considered low mileage at that stage and should have a bit of extra value in it, if that makes sense.

bobbyy gee

Toyota if taken care of
Regular oil changes etc Will go double the. Miles of opal ford fiat etc
Motorway miles are better than short journeys. You can pressure. Test an engine
https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/for-personal-vehicles/auto-care/vehicle-maintenance/how-to-do-a-leakdown-test#:~:text=A%20common%20test%20of%20an,engine's%20ability%20to%20create%20pressure.

Pinoy adventure

User1998 wrote: »

Unpopular opinion here but I don’t think OP is going to have any diesel related issues only driving 5,000km a year. Think of it they’d be driving a good 10-15 years until the DPF light came on no?

Regarding the fuel economy a petrol car isn’t as efficient when its cold either.

But I still agree that the petrol Octavia is a much better option. Petrol is much more refined and quiet and a nicer drive overall. I’d have an Octavia over an Avensis, fuel type aside.

Spending €15k to avoid a yearly NCT and saving a few quid on tax is mad but theres no shame in just wanting a newer car because your current car is ‘old’.

I think you should just chose the car you like best and if it means you end up in a diesel then so be it, but you should definitely have a drive in a modern petrol car, they’re much more refined and also give good fuel economy

Edit: Also if you buy a high mileage car now (or something you consider high mileage) you’ll save a good amount on the purchase price compared to a low mileage one, and you’ll only de driving 5,000km a year so when you eventually sell the car or trade it in the mileage will have evened out and it be considered low mileage at that stage and should have a bit of extra value in it, if that makes sense.

Great info there thanks.
We have never owned a diesel car befour either.always petrol

colm_mcm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Heating system doesn’t work til engine is warm, diesel takes longer to warm up

Wut?

Are you taking about the hot air from the vents in the car, or something else, when you say 'heating system'?

User1998

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

Great info there thanks.
We have never owned a diesel car befour either.always petrol

Now don’t get me wrong I’m not recommending one, I think diesel is a horrible thing especially in manual but most folk don’t seem to mind it

TheBoyConor

If you are only driving a paltry 5000km per year, then what is the point in buying a new car. An 09 car with only 60,000km is astonishingly low milage. That car is nowhere near being worn out. In milage terms it is in prime condition.

I think you'd be mad to spend so much money on a newer diesel car. The higher tax and NCT costs of your old car will be far less than the cost of buying a replacement unnecessarily.

colm_mcm

Deleted User wrote: »

Wut?

Are you taking about the hot air from the vents in the car, or something else, when you say 'heating system'?

Sorry, to clarify; the heater uses heat from the engine coolant to make warm air. On a diesel, it’ll take longer for the coolant to get warm, and thus longer for hot air to come out.

colm_mcm

User1998 wrote: »

Unpopular opinion here but I don’t think OP is going to have any diesel related issues only driving 5,000km a year. Think of it they’d be driving a good 10-15 years until the DPF light came on no?

Regarding the fuel economy a petrol car isn’t as efficient when its cold either.

But I still agree that the petrol Octavia is a much better option. Petrol is much more refined and quiet and a nicer drive overall. I’d have an Octavia over an Avensis, fuel type aside.

Spending €15k to avoid a yearly NCT and saving a few quid on tax is mad but theres no shame in just wanting a newer car because your current car is ‘old’.

I think you should just chose the car you like best and if it means you end up in a diesel then so be it, but you should definitely have a drive in a modern petrol car, they’re much more refined and also give good fuel economy

Edit: Also if you buy a high mileage car now (or something you consider high mileage) you’ll save a good amount on the purchase price compared to a low mileage one, and you’ll only de driving 5,000km a year so when you eventually sell the car or trade it in the mileage will have evened out and it be considered low mileage at that stage and should have a bit of extra value in it, if that makes sense.

Just on the bolded bits, if the DPF fails regen regularly, you’re already in trouble.

Ref engine warming up, the diesel takes a lot longer to warm up. Especially if only driving around the city.

Buying a car for exclusively city driving for tiny mileage is bonkers.

Pinoy adventure

colm_mcm wrote: »

Just on the bolded bits, if the DPF fails regen regularly, you’re already in trouble.

Ref engine warming up, the diesel takes a lot longer to warm up. Especially if only driving around the city.

Buying a car for exclusively city driving for tiny mileage is bonkers.

Is the DPF failure a common problem on diesel cars ?

colm_mcm

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

Is the DPF failure a common problem on diesel cars ?

All modern diesels have DPFs, and if used properly they’re unlikely to have issues.
The usage you’re describing is very likely to cause issues.

shane b

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

Great info there thanks.
We have never owned a diesel car befour either.always petrol

If you want to stay with Toyota why not try another corolla. There a few petrols around mostly in terra spec though.
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-corolla-1-33-luna/24129324
My wife had a 08 petrol corrolla and changed it for an 11 diesel corolla as she changed jobs. She was travelling a 3k kms a month so it made sense. The one thing she missed as the shorter heat up time compared to the petrol.
Be prepared for it on a cold winters morning if you do go diesel.

colm_mcm

shane b wrote: »

If you want to stay with Toyota why not try another corolla. There a few petrols around mostly in terra spec though.
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-corolla-1-33-luna/24129324
My wife had a 08 petrol corrolla and changed it for an 11 diesel corolla as she changed jobs. She was travelling a 3k kms a month so it made sense. The one she missed as the shorter heat up time compared to the petrol.
Be prepared for it on a cold winters morning if you do go diesel.

Much better option

colm_mcm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Sorry, to clarify; the heater uses heat from the engine coolant to make warm air. On a diesel, it’ll take longer for the coolant to get warm, and thus longer for hot air to come out.

I've a diesel saloon and the hot air from the vents is almost instantaneous, no need to wait for anything. Much quicker than my POS petrol Ibiza that I had before.

colm_mcm

What car do you have?

The Royal Scam

Deleted User wrote: »

I've a diesel saloon and the hot air from the vents is almost instantaneous, no need to wait for anything. Much quicker than my POS petrol Ibiza that I had before.

I have a 1.5 diesel 508SW. Serviced every approx 4-5 months and by large main dealer. It take my heater at least 5 mins to get in anyway hot. Spoke to dealer and he researched it with Peugeot and they said it is normal.

On the high milage side, My car is June 171 and I went over 245k yesterday. Car drives well but everything is looking worn and shiney.

Mad_Mike

colm_mcm wrote: »

All modern diesels have DPFs, and if used properly they’re unlikely to have issues.
The usage you’re describing is very likely to cause issues.

I can't agree more
If the OP is driving 100km's a week, he will be back here within a couple of months with DPF issues as the car will never be driven enough to keep the DPF system running properly.
Any potential "savings" will be LONG gone once you run into DPF problems
Also, you mention that it's mainly town driving
The car will never get a chance to run DPF cleaning with town driving and while I drive diesels myself and they have great economy for long drives, driving around town will not see good mpg from a diesel engine also

colm_mcm

colm_mcm wrote: »

What car do you have?

Audi A6

Heres Johnny

Op you have made the common mistake of coming on here saying you want to change cars and then trying to justify it with cost saving reasons....there are very few times when changing car for a newer one is a cost saving exercise overall! I have said this plenty, if you want a new car just get one, no need to apologise and justify it.

For whats its worth, I think your car is fine to continue with you will get buttons for it and it sounds like a really fresh, well minded machine that will last for years. Once insurance doesnt go silly but hopefully it won't. And personally, I would buy a petrol if you do decide to change if I was you. DPF is not going to explode on you automatically because you do low mileage in a diesel but there is plenty of anecdotal evidence it is more likely.

Pinoy adventure

Heres Johnny wrote: »

Op you have made the common mistake of coming on here saying you want to change cars and then trying to justify it with cost saving reasons....there are very few times when changing car for a newer one is a cost saving exercise overall! I have said this plenty, if you want a new car just get one, no need to apologise and justify it.

For whats its worth, I think your car is fine to continue with you will get buttons for it and it sounds like a really fresh, well minded machine that will last for years. Once insurance doesnt go silly but hopefully it won't. And personally, I would buy a petrol if you do decide to change if I was you. DPF is not going to explode on you automatically because you do low mileage in a diesel but there is plenty of anecdotal evidence it is more likely.

Thanks,new car picked up this afternoon

Uncle Pierre

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

Thanks,new car picked up this afternoon

Fair play to ya.

I was just going to post in reply to the one above yours, basically to agree with the statement that if you just want to treat yourself to a new car anyway, then go for it if you can afford it. Just don't list "because it'll save me money" as one of the reasons.

Seems you were happy with the answers to what was actually your original question anyway, about whether or not 96,000 km is a lot on a four-year-old car. It's not.

Hope the new one goes well for you for many years to come.

Pinoy adventure

Uncle Pierre wrote: »

Fair play to ya.

I was just going to post in reply to the one above yours, basically to agree with the statement that if you just want to treat yourself to a new car anyway, then go for it if you can afford it. Just don't list "because it'll save me money" as one of the reasons.

Seems you were happy with the answers to what was actually your original question anyway, about whether or not 96,000 km is a lot on a four-year-old car. It's not.

Hope the new one goes well for you for many years to come.

Cheers thanks.although it's a 4 year old car it's new too me and hopefully will last us a few years.
Toyota give 12 months warranty and road side assistance so easy the mind too.

Uncle Pierre

I've always bought something four or five years old myself, with average mileage (or even low, if lucky enough to find one) and a good service history, and then keep them until ten to twelve years old. Never had any issues apart from usual maintenance, except with one lemon of a yoke I had about 15 years ago, and that's a whole other story. But that's one for another time...

Zeek12

On the DFP question guys (and apologies OP for jumping in here): would this be an issue with annual mileage of approx. 12-13000 miles do you think?
On a 4/5 year old car.

Doing a weekly work commute of approx. 150 miles.
With plenty of short town trips during the weekends.

Will be changing quite an old car soon and just weighing up whether to stick with Diesel, or move to petrol.

colm_mcm

Zeek12 wrote: »

On the DFP question guys (and apologies OP for jumping in here): would this be an issue with annual mileage of approx. 12-13000 miles do you think?
On a 4/5 year old car.

Doing a weekly work commute of approx. 150 miles.
With plenty of short town trips during the weekends.

Will be changing quite an old car soon and just weighing up whether to stick with Diesel, or move to petrol.

You should be ok.

Pinoy adventure

Bump
I just noticed DPF is full on the dash board.you were right.
What should we do ?

colm_mcm

5 options

1) Go back in time and listen to the people who told you this was going to happen (sorry!)

2) Buy a different car that’s suited to your usage

3) Take the car for a long drive and see if it clears

4) Try and get a dealer to force a regeneration,

5) get the DPF cleaned