Buying a Range Rover

sean1141

Hi folks. Looking to change to a larger/higher vehicle.
I have always liked range rovers and just wondering are they really as bad as people make out?
Was looking at a 08-10 reg one. Preferably a 3.6 v8 diesel in vogue trim.
I know airbags and compressors can give trouble as well as the handbrake unit. Anything else to look out for??

There is not much out there to compare them to trim and spec wise. I have zero interest in getting something newer and more basic..

Mad_maxx

sean1141 wrote: »

Hi folks. Looking to change to a larger/higher vehicle.
I have always liked range rovers and just wondering are they really as bad as people make out?
Was looking at a 08-10 reg one. Preferably a 3.6 v8 diesel in vogue trim.
I know airbags and compressors can give trouble as well as the handbrake unit. Anything else to look out for??

There is not much out there to compare them to trim and spec wise. I have zero interest in getting something newer and more basic..

Are you driving on motorways most of the time or at least wide roads ,they are incredibly wide

sean1141

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Are you driving on motorways most of the time or at least wide roads ,they are incredibly wide

Back roads mostly 😣

bop1977

See if you can find one in autobiography trim.

Unreliable buckets by all accounts.

chicorytip

sean1141 wrote: »

Hi folks. Looking to change to a larger/higher vehicle.
I have always liked range rovers and just wondering are they really as bad as people make out?
Was looking at a 08-10 reg one. Preferably a 3.6 v8 diesel in vogue trim.
I know airbags and compressors can give trouble as well as the handbrake unit. Anything else to look out for??

There is not much out there to compare them to trim and spec wise. I have zero interest in getting something newer and more basic..

If you can afford the running costs, go for it. Engine and transmission bombproof. The airbag problem tends to occur only with heavy off road use. The 07 face-lift version is a vast improvement on the older version.

sean1141

chicorytip wrote: »

If you can afford the running costs, go for it. Engine and transmission bombproof. The airbag problem tends to occur only with heavy off road use. The 07 face-lift version is a vast improvement on the older version.

I will be running it as a commercial so tax shouldn't be an issue. I guess the 3.6 will be heavy on fuel but I don't do savage millage so..

chicorytip

sean1141 wrote: »

I will be running it as a commercial so tax shouldn't be an issue. I guess the 3.6 will be heavy on fuel but I don't do savage millage so..

The 3.6 Litre has more than ample power - 272 b.h.p.- on tap to shift what is a big, heavy beast. The older 2.9 unit was weak.

Heres Johnny

Apart from being a very nice place to sit, they aren't a great yoke to drive unsurprisingly. And the poor reliability stories are legendary at this stage. I'd like one too but I think it would ruin me financially. You'd want to be handy with tools.
I prefer the range rover sport over the full fat range rover.

Pboru22

Hi Op,

I work for a company that where the director drives a Range Rover. Dunno how it drives etc... but it was a 162 and a few months ago the engine went in it at 120k. No warning lights came on with it but Rangerover won’t cover anything as it only gives 3 year warranty. Was always serviced main dealer too. The main dealer service manager has said the BMW engine is a common failure

So if your buying one I’d advise you get some that’s know them to look or could you have a fair bill in time.

spyderski

Pboru22 wrote: »

Hi Op,

I work for a company that where the director drives a Range Rover. Dunno how it drives etc... but it was a 162 and a few months ago the engine went in it at 120k. No warning lights came on with it but Rangerover won’t cover anything as it only gives 3 year warranty. Was always serviced main dealer too. The main dealer service manager has said the BMW engine is a common failure

So if your buying one I’d advise you get some that’s know them to look or could you have a fair bill in time.

Range Rovers haven’t used BMW Engines since around 2007/8. The one in your colleagues 162 model definitely wasn’t a BMW unit.

spyderski

sean1141 wrote: »

Hi folks. Looking to change to a larger/higher vehicle.
I have always liked range rovers and just wondering are they really as bad as people make out?
Was looking at a 08-10 reg one. Preferably a 3.6 v8 diesel in vogue trim.
I know airbags and compressors can give trouble as well as the handbrake unit. Anything else to look out for??

There is not much out there to compare them to trim and spec wise. I have zero interest in getting something newer and more basic..

The front shock/airbag units go on them all. €1,200.

Each side.

Mad_maxx

my brother has a toyota landcruiser five seater , he finds that a bit of a barge as him and his wife are on rural roads much of the time , they are positively skinny compared to a range rover

be like negotiating a bus at roundabouts

Millionaire only not

Are they that bad and the money they cost !

Cyrus

Mad_maxx wrote: »

my brother has a toyota landcruiser five seater , he finds that a bit of a barge as him and his wife are on rural roads much of the time , they are positively skinny compared to a range rover

be like negotiating a bus at roundabouts

They aren’t that wide ? Similar to a q7 or x5

Mad_maxx

Mad_maxx wrote: »

my brother has a toyota landcruiser five seater , he finds that a bit of a barge as him and his wife are on rural roads much of the time , they are positively skinny compared to a range rover

be like negotiating a bus at roundabouts

I think you are getting a bit carried away with the size of them. They are big but still around the same size as any large 4x4.

Also many people are used to driving large tractors and trucks etc on these back roads, something like a Range Rover would be nice and small for many. The size of one wouldn’t even enter my head as an issue.

Mad_maxx

Cyrus wrote: »

They aren’t that wide ? Similar to a q7 or x5

A range rover?

Mad_maxx

Karson Gentle Sternum wrote: »

I think you are getting a bit carried away with the size of them. They are big but still around the same size as any large 4x4.

Also many people are used to driving large tractors and trucks etc on these back roads, something like a Range Rover would be nice and small for many. The size of one wouldn’t even enter my head as an issue.

so you're comparing driving tractors to cars now ?

I meant how maneuvering a range rover will feel on rural roads

Cyrus

Mad_maxx wrote: »

A range rover?

Yes Range Rover isn’t any bigger than a q7 or an x5 2020 versions

Mad_maxx

Mad_maxx wrote: »

A range rover?

A quick google shows that a q7 and x5 are both slightly wider than the model of Range Rover the op mentioned. It’s only 50mm wider than a skoda superb, I think you need to reassess how big you think they are.

pinktoe

Large vans are as wide and longer than a RR and couriers can go down these roads no problem.
My car is longer and pretty much the same width including mirrors, and I have to drive down unfamiliar rural roads, boreens and what looks like not much more than dirt tracks at times and I survive, so you'll be grand on familiar roads.

Some Range Rovers have pretty big mileage so maybe it's down to look.

Mad_maxx

pinktoe wrote: »

Large vans are as wide and longer than a RR and couriers can go down these roads no problem.
My car is longer and pretty much the same width including mirrors, and I have to drive down unfamiliar rural roads, boreens and what looks like not much more than dirt tracks at times and I survive, so you'll be grand on familiar roads.

Some Range Rovers have pretty big mileage so maybe it's down to look.

Courier vans aren't family cars

An artic truck will also fit down a secondary road

Rover365

I have an 08 sport with the 3.6l v8 nearly 3 years now and it still brings a smile to my face. There is no comparison for comfort and the v8 makes motorway cruising effortless The v8 is alot better than the 3l and alot more reliable too by all acounts. They are thirsty but not much more than the v6

Running costs are on the high side but then your not paying for depreciation and having commercial tax is a bonus. Service costs have been about €1400 a year as they are heavy on brake pads, bushells etc. I imagine your probably looking at around 10k to buy but id be have another 5k set aside for items that go wrong as they are expensive to repair.

Only out of service item i have had go is the air suspension module that cost €350. Actually check the mechanism that lowers the spare wheel too as this is also a known issue. Around 200 replacement.

For an 08, id be looking for one that has alot of money spent on it already. Things like the turbos, suspension are all well known issues. Id be looking at one brought in from the uk. Irish version from 08 would have likely not been maintained as well. Mine evn has the adaptive cruise control which would have been a 5k option but is great for motorway driving.

Any other questions let me know

Grab All Association

There’s a Dodge RAM, Ford F-150, F-350 and another F-something I’ve come across on backroads here in Tipperary.

During the roadworks at Latteragh, the Shamrock bus service (Thurles to Nenagh) was using the narrow backroads for over a week Volvo B10m Plaxton 53 seater, Long trucks from Kelly’s of Fantane etc on this road everyday.

I wouldn’t be worried about the width of the vehicles. If you can drive E.g a Toyota Avensis on these roads every day, you can drive a Range Rover no issue.

chalky_ie

Rover365 wrote: »

I have an 08 sport with the 3.6l v8 nearly 3 years now and it still brings a smile to my face. There is no comparison for comfort and the v8 makes motorway cruising effortless The v8 is alot better than the 3l and alot more reliable too by all acounts. They are thirsty but not much more than the v6

Running costs are on the high side but then your not paying for depreciation and having commercial tax is a bonus. Service costs have been about €1400 a year as they are heavy on brake pads, bushells etc. I imagine your probably looking at around 10k to buy but id be have another 5k set aside for items that go wrong as they are expensive to repair.

Only out of service item i have had go is the air suspension module that cost €350. Actually check the mechanism that lowers the spare wheel too as this is also a known issue. Around 200 replacement.

For an 08, id be looking for one that has alot of money spent on it already. Things like the turbos, suspension are all well known issues. Id be looking at one brought in from the uk. Irish version from 08 would have likely not been maintained as well. Mine evn has the adaptive cruise control which would have been a 5k option but is great for motorway driving.

Any other questions let me know

1400 quid a year in servicing to drive a 12 year old Range Rover, nuts!

bobbyy gee

They always need repair even new ones then you have high tax and insurance they break down a lot

Grab All Association

Check around DoneDeal for a Range Rover/Discovery S2 conversion with the 4.6lt V8 petrol engine. Classic tax and insurance. Diesel version here in Thurles recently, diesel is shîte

Rover365

conor-w wrote: »

1400 quid a year in servicing to drive a 12 year old Range Rover, nuts!

Dont see whats nuts about it. Has cost me about €3.5k a year incl servicing, tax and depreciation to drive one of the most comfortable vehicles around with a spec that most new cars are only catching up with now (adaptive cruise, adaptive headlights etc). Also get to enjoy a v8 for probably the last time in my life unless i get a classic down the line ( if its even an option with the greens around)

Most of my driving is long distance motorway trips that i claim milage from work. Doing a 5hr round trip to dublin and not being sore and tired after makes it more than worthwhile. A 2hr trip in the wifes a6 is more taxing.

Theres people spending more than that to drive a 1.0l micra that has a 202 plate on the front and back. Now id consider that nuts but each to their own

coolbeans

chicorytip wrote: »

If you can afford the running costs, go for it. Engine and transmission bombproof. The airbag problem tends to occur only with heavy off road use. The 07 face-lift version is a vast improvement on the older version.

Bombproof my backside. Amongst the most troublesome yokes you can buy. When they work they're nice though but don't be deluded or misled. Look out for problems with EGRs, alternators, turbos, blocked pipes on the engines plus everything else that could could wrong on a RR which is a hell of a lot. Apart from that they're great.

Rover365

There is nothing bombproof about a range rover.

I know someone who has just got rid of a 2010 version for €5k cos the engine was gone. They had spent over €30k over the last 10 years for various issues.

With a 2008 you are not having a big outlay but you need to have money set aside for if/when something goes wrong.

chalky_ie

Rover365 wrote: »

Dont see whats nuts about it. Has cost me about €3.5k a year incl servicing, tax and depreciation to drive one of the most comfortable vehicles around with a spec that most new cars are only catching up with now (adaptive cruise, adaptive headlights etc). Also get to enjoy a v8 for probably the last time in my life unless i get a classic down the line ( if its even an option with the greens around)

Most of my driving is long distance motorway trips that i claim milage from work. Doing a 5hr round trip to dublin and not being sore and tired after makes it more than worthwhile. A 2hr trip in the wifes a6 is more taxing.

Theres people spending more than that to drive a 1.0l micra that has a 202 plate on the front and back. Now id consider that nuts but each to their own

Oh I agree re: new cars, but those kind of yearly figures are eye watering for a daily driver SUV, in my opinion anyway! My friend's family had an 06 Sport and I never thought it was anything special comfort wise, and the interior has aged woefully to me. Each to their own I suppose.

chicorytip

coolbeans wrote: »

Bombproof my backside. Amongst the most troublesome yokes you can buy. When they work they're nice though but don't be deluded or misled. Look out for problems with EGRs, alternators, turbos, blocked pipes on the engines plus everything else that could could wrong on a RR which is a hell of a lot. Apart from that they're great.

Maybe he should go for the V6 Discovery then!

Casati

Rover365 wrote: »

Dont see whats nuts about it. Has cost me about €3.5k a year incl servicing, tax and depreciation to drive one of the most comfortable vehicles around with a spec that most new cars are only catching up with now (adaptive cruise, adaptive headlights etc). Also get to enjoy a v8 for probably the last time in my life unless i get a classic down the line ( if its even an option with the greens around)

Most of my driving is long distance motorway trips that i claim milage from work. Doing a 5hr round trip to dublin and not being sore and tired after makes it more than worthwhile. A 2hr trip in the wifes a6 is more taxing.

Theres people spending more than that to drive a 1.0l micra that has a 202 plate on the front and back. Now id consider that nuts but each to their own

How do you get away with such low depreciation? Looking on Carzone/Donedeal now I see the cheapest (350k!) 2018 is 8.5k, cheapest 2010 asking 16k and the cheapest 2012 asking 27k. The cheapest 2014 is asking 48k. Using current pricing as a guide buying an 8/9 year RR now could still cost you 20k in depreciation over the next 4 years?

I’d imagine buying a something with north of 300k or older than 8/10 years is Russian roulette too

I’m guilty of liking the look of them but anytime I’ve looked at the numbers I can’t understand how anybody can afford to buy/ sell / tax/ insure / service and repair and fuel them unless you get v lucky buying one cheap and are able to work your own garage full of tools

Mad_maxx

the thing about land rover is we are part of the UK sphere for obvious reasons re_ right hand drive etc

landrover is a british institution and thus its an act of near treason for british motoring journalists to tell the truth about the brand , almost every review is glowing from the uk press , when reviewing a toyota landcruiser for example , even top gear website will say " its no landrover "

as such , the glaring reliability shortcomings are not highlighted , this feeds into public perception

they look great and are very comfortable but in truth are money pits relatively speaking

chicorytip

Mad_maxx wrote: »

the thing about land rover is we are part of the UK sphere for obvious reasons re_ right hand drive etc

landrover is a british institution and thus its an act of near treason for british motoring journalists to tell the truth about the brand , almost every review is glowing from the uk press , when reviewing a toyota landcruiser for example , even top gear website will say " its no landrover "

as such , the glaring reliability shortcomings are not highlighted , this feeds into public perception

they look great and are very comfortable but in truth are money pits relatively speaking

Are you referring to all Land Rover models or just the Rangie in particular?

Mad_maxx

chicorytip wrote: »

Are you referring to all Land Rover models or just the Rangie in particular?

All

Rover365

Casati wrote: »

How do you get away with such low depreciation? Looking on Carzone/Donedeal now I see the cheapest (350k!) 2018 is 8.5k, cheapest 2010 asking 16k and the cheapest 2012 asking 27k. The cheapest 2014 is asking 48k. Using current pricing as a guide buying an 8/9 year RR now could still cost you 20k in depreciation over the next 4 years?

I’d imagine buying a something with north of 300k or older than 8/10 years is Russian roulette too

I’m guilty of liking the look of them but anytime I’ve looked at the numbers I can’t understand how anybody can afford to buy/ sell / tax/ insure / service and repair and fuel them unless you get v lucky buying one cheap and are able to work your own garage full of tools

I paid €16.5k for mine nearly 3 years ago (93k miles) and have about 125k miles on it now. Would probably get about €10k for it now id imagine having a good spec and commercial tax. Will probably keep it for another few years and then my Dad want to take it off my hands. Without the commercial tax it would be worthless here though - €2,350 a year to tax privately!

In regards services I use an independant that I trust as the costs of dealer servicing would be astronomical.

There a 2010 v8 with commercial tax for sale on carzone for €15,950 which you would probably buy for 14.5k. If you got 4 years out of it and it died and you had no resale value it is cheap motoring. however as with buying any car that age, there is the risk of things going wrong with it and unfortunatly RR's are more expensive to maintain and repair. Id be keeping €5k aside for issues. Best case is you keep it for 4 years and sell it for €8k with €1,500 a year servicing - its cost you €12,500/€3,125 a year - the equivilant of a dacia duster

Worst case you get two years out of it and it dies and is basically scrap. it costs you €16k/ €8,000 a year. you decide I'm never doing that again and decide to buy new from now on. Any full size jeep is going to cost you €60k minimum so say depreciation of at least €30k over 4 years or €7,500 a year. excl finance, servicing etc. And at the worst part...you'll still say 'its no range rover'

The only comparable jeeps on the market are the Q7 & X5 that are full size and have quality interiors. Maybe they are more reliable but I'd still chose the RR. Comparing to Landcruiser etc is comparing different categories.

Mad_maxx

Rover365 wrote: »

I paid €16.5k for mine nearly 3 years ago (93k miles) and have about 125k miles on it now. Would probably get about €10k for it now id imagine having a good spec and commercial tax. Will probably keep it for another few years and then my Dad want to take it off my hands. Without the commercial tax it would be worthless here though - €2,350 a year to tax privately!

In regards services I use an independant that I trust as the costs of dealer servicing would be astronomical.

There a 2010 v8 with commercial tax for sale on carzone for €15,950 which you would probably buy for 14.5k. If you got 4 years out of it and it died and you had no resale value it is cheap motoring. however as with buying any car that age, there is the risk of things going wrong with it and unfortunatly RR's are more expensive to maintain and repair. Id be keeping €5k aside for issues. Best case is you keep it for 4 years and sell it for €8k with €1,500 a year servicing - its cost you €12,500/€3,125 a year - the equivilant of a dacia duster

Worst case you get two years out of it and it dies and is basically scrap. it costs you €16k/ €8,000 a year. you decide I'm never doing that again and decide to buy new from now on. Any full size jeep is going to cost you €60k minimum so say depreciation of at least €30k over 4 years or €7,500 a year. excl finance, servicing etc. And at the worst part...you'll still say 'its no range rover'

The only comparable jeeps on the market are the Q7 & X5 that are full size and have quality interiors. Maybe they are more reliable but I'd still chose the RR. Comparing to Landcruiser etc is comparing different categories.

range rover is much bigger than a Q7 or X5, both of those are smaller than a landcruiser which itself is smaller than a RR

Rover365

Mad_maxx wrote: »

range rover is much bigger than a Q7 or X5, both of those are smaller than a landcruiser which itself is smaller than a RR

I include the Q7 and X5 with the RR in terms of being full size jeeps that fit 5 adults comfortable and have luxurious interiors/modern tech.

I would include the landcruiser with the Pajaro and Patrol. Great 4x4's with good reliability due to their old technology. Interiors not comparable with the above

Cyrus

Mad_maxx wrote: »

range rover is much bigger than a Q7 or X5, both of those are smaller than a landcruiser which itself is smaller than a RR

Only its not much bigger at all

2020 models
RR L 5000mm W 1990m H1836
Q7 L 5063mm W 1970m H1741
X5 L 4922mm W 2004m H1745

Casati

Cyrus wrote: »

Only its not much bigger at all

2020 models
RR L 5000mm W 1990m H1836
Q7 L 5063mm W 1970m H1741
X5 L 4922mm W 2004m H1745

In the last ten years these proper SUV’s have swelled in size, is it true that the current X3 is bigger than the original X5?

Pipmae

I'm driving an 08 RR Sport for the past two years. I bought it for €15k. There's no denying the running costs are expensive.

I have had a few problems. The electric handbrake failed on me about a week after I bought it. In fairness the dealer I bought it from got it towed and fixed it for me at his cost.

The side steps were completely corroded on one side and very bad on the other so I bought a replacement set from eBay - a UK seller.

The CVRT passed first go the first time but I had to spend €500 on it second time around (which was a couple of weeks ago). That's as well as keeping it service.

The clanger the dealer dropped a few weeks ago when he was fixing the CVRT issues is that I need the Turbo fixed - it was weakening and it's fooked now. It's driveable but you can feel the lack of power. I've been quoted €3,500 plus VAT to fix it. I need to shop around for more quotes but I haven't had a chance yet.

All said and done though I love the car.

Cyrus

Casati wrote: »

In the last ten years these proper SUV’s have swelled in size, is it true that the current X3 is bigger than the original X5?

yes i believe so

Mad_maxx

Rover365 wrote: »

I include the Q7 and X5 with the RR in terms of being full size jeeps that fit 5 adults comfortable and have luxurious interiors/modern tech.

I would include the landcruiser with the Pajaro and Patrol. Great 4x4's with good reliability due to their old technology. Interiors not comparable with the above

landcruiser certainly not luxurious compared to discovery , nevermind range rover

was just comparing size

Casati

Pipmae wrote: »

I'm driving an 08 RR Sport for the past two years. I bought it for €15k. There's no denying the running costs are expensive.

I have had a few problems. The electric handbrake failed on me about a week after I bought it. In fairness the dealer I bought it from got it towed and fixed it for me at his cost.

The side steps were completely corroded on one side and very bad on the other so I bought a replacement set from eBay - a UK seller.

The CVRT passed first go the first time but I had to spend €500 on it second time around (which was a couple of weeks ago). That's as well as keeping it service.

The clanger the dealer dropped a few weeks ago when he was fixing the CVRT issues is that I need the Turbo fixed - it was weakening and it's fooked now. It's driveable but you can feel the lack of power. I've been quoted €3,500 plus VAT to fix it. I need to shop around for more quotes but I haven't had a chance yet.

All said and done though I love the car.

What the story with the four door commercials? Are they still a thing with newer RR? Saw a 162 D Disco passenger today on the 333 a year tax, can you still do the same if you say import a fairly new RR or RR Sport? Presumably if you don’t have a company with an excuse to need to ferry people around you won’t be able to tax it but presuming you fit that can you still register these as commercial?

Mad_maxx

Mad_maxx wrote: »

range rover is much bigger than a Q7 or X5, both of those are smaller than a landcruiser which itself is smaller than a RR

How many times are you going to keeping making this incorrect statement. I gave you numbers previously which you obviously ignored. The Q7 and x5 are both bigger than the model of Range Rover the op is considering and current models of RR, Q7 and x5 are the same size as you can see from number above.

So what if it’s big anyway, you might be afraid to drive a big vehicle but most aren’t and some specifically want to drive something big.

Mad_maxx wrote: »

was just incorrectly comparing size

FYP.

Mad_maxx

Karson Gentle Sternum wrote: »

How many times are you going to keeping making this incorrect statement. I gave you numbers previously which you obviously ignored. The Q7 and x5 are both bigger than the model of Range Rover the op is considering and current models of RR, Q7 and x5 are the same size as you can see from number above.

So what if it’s big anyway, you might be afraid to drive a big vehicle but most aren’t and some specifically want to drive something big.



FYP.

Any range rover ive seen is way bigger than an X5 or Q7

Bar the RR sport, didn't realise there were smaller range rovers ?

Red Sheds

sean1141 wrote: »

Hi folks. Looking to change to a larger/higher vehicle.
I have always liked range rovers and just wondering are they really as bad as people make out?
Was looking at a 08-10 reg one. Preferably a 3.6 v8 diesel in vogue trim.
I know airbags and compressors can give trouble as well as the handbrake unit. Anything else to look out for??

There is not much out there to compare them to trim and spec wise. I have zero interest in getting something newer and more basic..

Hi OP,
I was in your same situation 2 years ago and went for an 11 year old HSE spec RR. Knew nothing about them bar that I really liked them and wanted one. It had one owner from new, a new compressor fitted and probably about 70% service record. For the price you get absolute beast of a powerful car that will virtually go anywhere and top luxury. Yes, loves diesel, I average 23mpg, now mostly on short runs but it will return 29mpg on long runs. I service it every 15k km and costs about 200 for oil, oil filter and air filter, do the diesel one every second time. I reckon I get about 20+k from a set of tyres. I cannot fault them and for the price I would definitely get another. So heres what went wrong with mine in 2 years and 70k kilometers covered.

1 Water Pump which was general wear and tear in a now 13 year old vehicle
1 front airbag collapsed last month, quoted €430 for a second hand one from a breaker, but managed to get a new generic one for €110 delivered from Germany and my mechanic fitted it for €150
I had the gearbox oil changed when I bought it, even though RR say it dosent need to be done
Biggest spend and was my own fault was a gearbox refurb costing 2,300. There was a warning coming on saying gearbox fault and it would go into 3rd gear occasionally, i just ignored it and it got worse and worse, turned out a sensor on the gear box was loose and it was leaking oil and it ran out of oil, so my own fault.
Other than that its been great. However there is a suspension fault warning that shows up fairly regular on the dash, and sometimes disables the 4wd settings, but you can still drive fine. My garage has been unable to find exactly what it is because its intermittent or maybe they are not too bothered, but we feel its a faulty sensor somewhere.

The engines are brilliant and hopefully my gearbox too. I love the car and apart from the fuel cost, I don't find it too much more than running a 2.5 litre diesel car that I had before. It went through 2 CRVTs not with no issues and hoping for 3rd in November.

I would say go for it if you like them and enjoy it.

Cyrus

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Any range rover ive seen is way bigger than an X5 or Q7

Bar the RR sport, didn't realise there were smaller range rovers ?

Might look that way to you but I gave you the official dimensions for each in my last post.