Timetables and GDPR

mtoutlemonde

Evening folks, I was searching for info regarding teacher access to other teachers timetables but didn't find anything. Are you able to view your colleagues timetables? If not what was managements response - ours was GDPR.

TheValeyard

Yeah we can see everyone's timetable. Why the secrecy?

mtoutlemonde

TheValeyard wrote: »

Yeah we can see everyone's timetable. Why the secrecy?

Simple answer - corruption and nepotism. Preventing staff seeing new members of staff timetables so it can't be questioned i.e. part time staff being kept on part time but school still recruiting past pupils and locals with probably full timetables but can't be proven. I've worked in a lot of schools and always had access to everyone's timetable.

gaiscioch

Yes, able to see them all. Very useful to find where somebody is and also see who is free at particular times if you need to ask somebody for cover on a personal day. Sounds like they're using GDPR as an excuse to conceal favouritism.

Treppen

It was locked down before in our school but them unlocked . In terms of CIDs and unqualified teachers getting subjects before you then it's handy to keep an eye.

But I can't find the timetable of students I don't teach.

dory

Same as Treppen. When GDPR happened they were all locked down but we can see them all again now. Very handy when you need to find a member of staff.

Blondini

It was locked in my school a few years ago when someone pointed out that one of the principal's friends had three half days.

highly1111

We can view each other's timetables.

mtoutlemonde

Well from reading the replies, it seems we are alone. Is there any way to rectify this (via circular /union) instead of hacking the principals computer

TheDriver

Don't see what the secrecy is about however I don't think you have a right to see them either OP so i doubt you'll get anywhere.

Icsics

Some can see them & some can’t, this is probably worse! I’ve given up drawing trouble on myself tho, some battles are just not worth it

maynooth_rules

We cant see them. The feeling amongst staff is that is was kept that way because it prevented teachers seeing who was off what classes if they wanted to get covered for a day for some absense

Snodge

Is a 20hr contract unusual?

mtoutlemonde

Snodge wrote: »

Is a 20hr contract unusual?

You can have contracts from 1 to 22.

kippy

GDPR? Nonsense.

mtoutlemonde

kippy wrote: »

GDPR? Nonsense.

That was the reason given. There are people on cushy timetables as well but it's the keeping part timers with CIDs on part time hours is my concern.

am_zarathustra

Snodge wrote: »

Is a 20hr contract unusual?

I don't think you can have a 20 hour contract, once your above 18 (possibly 17.20 now I'm not sure) you have to be on full hours or at least paid for them!

Do you mean someone paid full time but teaching 20?

r93kaey5p2izun

am_zarathustra wrote: »

I don't think you can have a 20 hour contract, once your above 18 (possibly 17.20 now I'm not sure) you have to be on full hours or at least paid for them!

Do you mean someone paid full time but teaching 20?

Being paid for 22 when on 18+ only applies if CID and you sign the H22 form. It's not automatic and doesn't apply for non-CID contracts.

mtoutlemonde

am_zarathustra wrote: »

I don't think you can have a 20 hour contract, once your above 18 (possibly 17.20 now I'm not sure) you have to be on full hours or at least paid for them!

Do you mean someone paid full time but teaching 20?

Yes I suppose the question is unclear - I should have said RPT contracts can be 1-22 hours.

CID for 18 hours or over are paid 22.

am_zarathustra

I wasn't sure but maybe they meant teaching below the amount for full time staff but getting paid full time. We definitely have a few people on questionable timetables and others with bang on 21 20! There are staff who if they didn't turn up for a week it would only be a minor issue and a core group who teach all the actual classes

Treppen

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

Well from reading the replies, it seems we are alone. Is there any way to rectify this (via circular /union) instead of hacking the principals computer

Don't waste your time, you've no right as such to be able to see another teacher's timetable.

But, if you need to compare to see if someone unqualified has taken your hours then once you lodge the complaint it would have to be disclosed. Although if you're wrong it can create very bad feeling between colleagues.

Years ago I was told that a teacher took a complaint, but before hand they had to literally sneak around and piece together the other teachers timetable bit by bit to be sure.

Masala

GDPR is their to protect ‘personal data’. Doubt timetables contain any such data.... date of births , blood group, DNA sequence, home telephone numbers etc

kippy

Masala wrote: »

GDPR is their to protect ‘personal data’. Doubt timetables contain any such data.... date of births , blood group, DNA sequence, home telephone numbers etc

Technically First and Surname are personal data.... however this has got nothing to do with GDPR

Rosita

I would have thought in the context of a school and how it operates that not being able to see another teacher's timetable is taking GDPR to silly, unintended levels. It's akin to arguing that a publicly displaying names on a work-roster in a shop or other work-setting is infringing GDPR.

If a teacher has no right to see another teacher's timetable because of GDPR then it stands to reason that they do not have a right to see students' timetables either.

On our vsware everyone's timetable is available and I'd have assumed that was the norm. I would be wary of any situation where this is classified information given the practical necessity to be able to locate teachers and students around the school.

Teach30

gaiscioch wrote: »

Yes, able to see them all. Very useful to find where somebody is and also see who is free at particular times if you need to ask somebody for cover on a personal day. Sounds like they're using GDPR as an excuse to conceal favouritism.

This is one of the reason we asked for it not to be available. Terrible if your off at a certain time say a Friday evening and your pestered by people asking to cover a personal day class for them. If you need to find a teacher we ask office to look at system for us. Works fine.

Treppen

Rosita wrote: »

I would have thought in the context of a school and how it operates that not being able to see another teacher's timetable is taking GDPR to silly, unintended levels. It's akin to arguing that a publicly displaying names on a work-roster in a shop or other work-setting is infringing GDPR.

If a teacher has no right to see another teacher's timetable because of GDPR then it stands to reason that they do not have a right to see students' timetables either.

On our vsware everyone's timetable is available and I'd have assumed that was the norm. I would be wary of any situation where this is classified information given the practical necessity to be able to locate teachers and students around the school.

You never know though I'm sure some principals are plagued with teachers who dispute timetables and classes every year and have a moan about "he got this and I only got this" in the staff room. So u can see the temptation to block it off. I've never had to find a teacher that urgently though, although in the old days there was no problem asking the receptionist.

teachinggal123

We can’t see other colleagues timetables ... GDPR given as the reason.

The real reason is that there is huge favouritism in timetabling with some people working their hours over a full week and others getting half days and days off etc.

F5500

We can see other teachers timetables on VSware. Handy if you're looking for someone.

Treppen

teachinggal123 wrote: »

We can’t see other colleagues timetables ... GDPR given as the reason.

The real reason is that there is huge favouritism in timetabling with some people working their hours over a full week and others getting half days and days off etc.

There's the old job share disparity too. Some teachers dotted all over the timetable 1st Monday and last on Friday etc. While others in for full Wednesday Thursday Friday. But again.... that might just be the way things fell with subjects.

teachinggal123

Treppen wrote: »

There's the old job share disparity too. Some teachers dotted all over the timetable 1st Monday and last on Friday etc. While others in for full Wednesday Thursday Friday. But again.... that might just be the way things fell with subjects.

It’s not just the way things fell in our place. Some definitely get preference treatment.

I have heard it happens quite a lot in other schools too.

ethical

Some schools are "rotten to the core" with this type of carry on and it is very noticeable that Tony has first class off every Monday,and Tuesday and he has an A Post and is NOT expected in school,its his right for arse licking over the years and he will not loose it now.Mary is the same "half day on Thursday and similar on Friday..."as her childminder doesnt work them afternoons",again she is a safe pair of hands for voting things through and knows someone that knows someone.Again she is a Post holder,she "waters the plants" for the boss....well its only a B Post!

And you know what, the amount of money squandered in Education is continuing year after year and no one gives a fcuk,if you do,you are black-listed and will never progress up the ladder, as you have no intention of being an arse -licker.

deiseindublin

How do you know they definitely get preferential treatment with class allocations if you can't see their timetable?

teachinggal123

deiseindublin wrote: »

How do you know they definitely get preferential treatment with class allocations if you can't see their timetable?

We can’t “officially” see the timetables but everyone knows.

Icsics

We can’t access them on vsware due to ‘GDPR’ but the master time timetable is posted in the staff Room!

ethical

Once upon a time it was Union Policy to have:

1.) a list of Teaching Staff in order of seniority on the Staff Noticeboard.
2.) A list of Post Holders
3.) The Current Timetable

In the recent past, the Unions are gone all watery on this and its no longer clear as to what the policy is.....but there are many reasons for not posting up Tonys and Marys timetable as we have seen in this topic!

RealJohn

Well presumably, since “seniority” is no longer allowed to be used as a criterion for advancement, there’d be no reason to have that there anymore, would there?

People should have access to a list of post holders though.

am_zarathustra

Should the posts not be up with the assigned duties? They are in our place