What's the best way to turn a laddish guy into a middle class man?

its_steve116

Was listening to this song last week. It's about a laddish, working class guy who suddenly develops a love of things that are middle-class and unladdish. He is also a more open minded person, who doesn't mind the fact that people are gay and who doesn't read the Star any more because he "prefer(s) a boring article to a bird in pants and bra".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnuepN9EvTw
What I wanna know is... how would you transform a laddish guy into someone more sophisticated?

Man with broke phone

Middle class is sophisticated now is it? Somebody read the latest Dan Brown and is full of culture.

I didn't know we had classes in Ireland.

Gregor Samsa

"The Rain in Spain Stays Mainly in the Plain." Repeat ad nauseum.

https://youtu.be/xmADMB2utAo

Pawwed Rig

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I didn't know we had classes in Ireland.

I did loads of them at school

An Ri rua

1. Read 'As a Man Thinketh' or a précis of it.
2. Practice delayed gratification. Re-wire your brain.

An Ri rua

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I did loads of them at school

That was way back then. Before the new normal...

Alejandro68

I never heard of that word Laddish.

odyssey06

Wine, french or italian food (not pizza) and BBC4.

Gregor Samsa

Alejandro68 wrote: »

I never heard of that word Laddish.

That's such an upper class thing to say. You've taken it too far.

odyssey06

Alejandro68 wrote: »

I never heard of that word Laddish.

It's very 1990s... Loaded, Maxim, FHM magazine territory.

Errashareesh

Do people still think middle-class men can't be laddish?!

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

A boring soul destroying desk job, will eventually tame even the wildest of men!

When you put on a suit and tie in the morning, just remember you don't own that suit... that suit now owns you!

Cushtie

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

A boring soul destroying desk job, will eventually tame even the wildest of men!

When you put on a suit and tie in the morning, just remember you don't own that suit... that suit now owns you!

Ain't that the f****ING truth.

Alejandro68

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

That's such an upper class thing to say. You've taken it too far.

I am nowhere near upper class(I wish).Just never heard of that word since English isn't my native language.

road_high

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I didn't know we had classes in Ireland.

You can be sure we do and they’re very evident!

twowheelsonly

Bottles, not cans.
FG, not SF.
Polos, not tees.
Erotica, not porn.

That's about it really...

AMKC

its_steve116 wrote: »

Was listening to this song last week. It's about a laddish, working class guy who suddenly develops a love of things that are middle-class and unladdish. He is also a more open minded person, who doesn't mind the fact that people are gay and who doesn't read the Star any more because he "prefer(s) a boring article to a bird in pants and bra".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnuepN9EvTw
What I wanna know is... how would you transform a laddish guy into someone more sophisticated?

Lol a bird in pants and bra just imagine that bird flying over you lol. That would be funny. Besides it's a bit strange being into a bird in a bra and panties but not for me to judge lol.
As for different classes that's just a load of bull.

IAMAMORON

I am profoundly middle class. I am only polite to working class folk as a courtesy. But quite deep down I cannot bring myself to trust them and secretly hold them in contempt.

It is the climbers who phucked everything all up. I find that most working class climbers ( especially successful hard working types ) are literally no craic anyways or either. They smell a bit sometimes too. I hate their smell and their fake smiles. I love it when they put on a posh accent though, I like to see them trying at least, even though I know they are bores and a waste of time. The biggest indicator of a climber is overpriced new cars, always trashy. Don't forget old money = old cars, it is a simple formula.

I also seethe at Culchies. That includes posh types from Cork City or Killkenny, thats right, I just see a culchie.

On a final note I looooooove working class women. Especially foul mouthed inner city Dublin types. They turn me on, I love a bit of rough. Also culchie climbers. I love women from Roscommon who are trying to score a rich guy in the "big schmoke", I love it when they adopt the posh accent, instant turn on.

Church on Tuesday

You need to get a PA called Karl.

Greyfox

its_steve116 wrote: »

how would you transform a laddish guy into someone more sophisticated?

You would start by asking him if he wants to change as changing him might make him boring

JasonStatham

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I am profoundly middle class. I am only polite to working class folk as a courtesy. But quite deep down I cannot bring myself to trust them and secretly hold them in contempt.

It is the climbers who phucked everything all up. I find that most working class climbers ( especially successful hard working types ) are literally no craic anyways or either. They smell a bit sometimes too. I hate their smell and their fake smiles. I love it when they put on a posh accent though, I like to see them trying at least, even though I know they are bores and a waste of time. The biggest indicator of a climber is overpriced new cars, always trashy. Don't forget old money = old cars, it is a simple formula.

I also seethe at Culchies. That includes posh types from Cork City or Killkenny, thats right, I just see a culchie.

On a final note I looooooove working class women. Especially foul mouthed inner city Dublin types. They turn me on, I love a bit of rough. Also culchie climbers. I love women from Roscommon who are trying to score a rich guy in the "big schmoke", I love it when they adopt the posh accent, instant turn on.

Stay classy.

McGinniesta

Deleted User wrote: »

I didn't know we had classes in Ireland.

where have you been your whole life?

BalcombeSt4

When a poor working class man from Galway who could only speak Irish, his name was Maolra Seoighe was wrongly (known) convicted of murder & hanged in 1882 & was pardoned by president Higgins in 2018.
During the trial a London based paper published this very un-biased & not at all bigoted article on class.

"The Tragedy at Maamtrasna, investigated this week in Dublin, almost unique as it is in the annals of the United Kingdom, brings out in strong relief two facts which Englishmen are too apt to forget. One is the existence in particular districts of Ireland of a class of peasants who are scarcely civilised beings, and approach far nearer to savages than any other white men; and the other is their extraordinary and exceptional gloominess of temper. In remote places of Ireland, especially in Connaught, on a few of the islands, and in one or two mountain districts, dwell cultivators who are in knowledge, in habits, and in the discipline of life no higher than Maories or other Polynesians." http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/18th-november-1882/7/the-tragedy-at-maamtrasna

This was during the time of the rise of the Home Rule movement & the IPP, over 130 years ago. Unfortunately lots of people still hold these views of poor working class people.

F5500

Become hesitant to buy a car unless it's the top spec of that model.

Optional extras like leather upholstery, reversing cameras and other trinkets really help separate the wheat from the chaff.

ILoveYourVibes

its_steve116 wrote: »

Was listening to this song last week. It's about a laddish, working class guy who suddenly develops a love of things that are middle-class and unladdish. He is also a more open minded person, who doesn't mind the fact that people are gay and who doesn't read the Star any more because he "prefer(s) a boring article to a bird in pants and bra".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnuepN9EvTw
What I wanna know is... how would you transform a laddish guy into someone more sophisticated?

My fair lad.

I charge 50 euro an hr. Its expensive but worth it. He'll being saying his th's in no time.

Word of warning though. They all change back into their true selves at midnight.

Seriously though ....you just give him more money. When you have money you don't need a personality.

Pkiernan

its_steve116 wrote: »

Was listening to this song last week. It's about a laddish, working class guy who suddenly develops a love of things that are middle-class and unladdish. He is also a more open minded person, who doesn't mind the fact that people are gay and who doesn't read the Star any more because he "prefer(s) a boring article to a bird in pants and bra".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnuepN9EvTw
What I wanna know is... how would you transform a laddish guy into someone more sophisticated?

Make him get a job, then force him to pay 53% tax on his income.
Bingo...now he's middle class.

Montage of Feck

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Bottles, not cans.
FG, not SF.
Polos, not tees.
Erotica, not porn.

That's about it really...

Oh ****, what have I become?

Mad_maxx

its_steve116 wrote: »

Was listening to this song last week. It's about a laddish, working class guy who suddenly develops a love of things that are middle-class and unladdish. He is also a more open minded person, who doesn't mind the fact that people are gay and who doesn't read the Star any more because he "prefer(s) a boring article to a bird in pants and bra".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnuepN9EvTw
What I wanna know is... how would you transform a laddish guy into someone more sophisticated?

Give him a social democrats membership card for his birthday

Be a feminist by Christmas

Jimbob1977

Rugby

University

A girlfriend who is like whatever you want him to turn towards.

Ush1

My wife is desperate to make me middle class but she is confused and thinks middle class is "new money".

Omackeral

Use plenty of ''superfluous'' quotation marks.

nthclare

Billy Connolly doe's a great skit about the middle classes.


I think it's the Toffs for dinner sketch, you can find it on YouTube at around 3 minutes 20 seconds in he starts his slagging off the middle classes.

Slags them off about driving Volvo's, but it's the Audi nowadays I'd say.
Although you'll find a lot of old money wealthy people who don't drive big fancy car's or expensive motor bikes.
They usually opt for car's they'll find practical and vintage style motor bikes.

It's a great sketch, and he hits the nail on the head.

Signore Fancy Pants

A few rounds of soggy biscuit.

padd b1975

GANT polo shirts.

GANT jumper tied around neck.

Chinos.

Golfing clothes worn off the course.

Omega Seamaster watch.

Jeep 4WD.

gourcuff

jesus imagine the responses on twitter if this was about a female... ,,,

are lads just less sensitive to stupid questions....

Zaph

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Bottles, not cans.
FG, not SF.
Polos, not tees.
Erotica, not porn.

That's about it really...

I'd probably be considered pretty middle class, but I'm f*cked if I'm ever wearing a polo shirt. Hideous things.

Zaph

Zaph wrote: »

I'd probably be considered pretty middle class, but I'm f*cked if I'm ever wearing a polo shirt. Hideous things.

Really? Hideous?

AdrianBalboa

My DH and I are firmly "middle class," maybe even the Irish equivalent of "upper middle class," and I find it amazing that we can be attacked en-masse like this by people on this forum but if I was to say anything similar about the "working class" I would be derided for snobbery.

razorblunt

Bermuda shorts, thick cable knit sweater, boat shoes.

odyssey06

AdrianBalboa wrote: »

My DH and I are firmly "middle class," maybe even the Irish equivalent of "upper middle class," and I find it amazing that we can be attacked en-masse like this by people on this forum but if I was to say anything similar about the "working class" I would be derided for snobbery.

It's After Hours mon ami.
You pick a side. Raise your standard. And attack attack attack.

We're just here for the craic

mick087

Your post has totally stereotyped all working class people of Ireland.
Could you imagine if i tried to stereotype any other race or culture or religion.

It still seems acceptable to have prejudices and stereotype working class people.

Its disgusting' prejudice and racist.

Zaph

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Really? Hideous?

Yep, hideous. Or f*ckin' brutal if that was a bit too middle class.

pgj2015

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

A boring soul destroying desk job, will eventually tame even the wildest of men!

When you put on a suit and tie in the morning, just remember you don't own that suit... that suit now owns you!

also if he gets involved in a relationship with a middle class woman who wears the trousers.

Seamai

You need to be pussy whipped. When I see middle aged, middle class couples the women always seem to have a determined steeliness about them where as the husbands just do what they're told. I was in Baltimore a few weeks ago and watching couples of my own age (mid 50's) the guys hadn't a ball between them, though the probably think they're the ones in control.
Women are far better social climbers than men, I've seen it in my own family, so guys, just do what you are told.

Seamai

Seamai wrote: »

You need to be pussy whipped. When I see middle aged, middle class couples the women always seem to have a determined steeliness about them where as the husbands just do what they're told. I was in Baltimore a few weeks ago and watching couples of my own age (mid 50's) and the guys hadn't a ball between them, though the probably think they're the ones in control.
Women are far better social climbers than men, I've seen it in my own family, so guys, just do what you are told.

Confirmation bias. You saw the couples out together when it's usually the woman's who's keen to get out and about. In the rest of the couples, the man's at the golf club.

Seamai

Seamai wrote: »

You need to be pussy whipped. When I see middle aged, middle class couples the women always seem to have a determined steeliness about them where as the husbands just do what they're told. I was in Baltimore a few weeks ago and watching couples of my own age (mid 50's) and the guys hadn't a ball between them, though the probably think they're the ones in control.
Women are far better social climbers than men, I've seen it in my own family, so guys, just do what you are told.

bbbuttt .... I am that age and was in Baltimore a few weeks ago ... with my wife ... oh sh1t ... *checks Omega Seamaster to make sure to have the dishes done before wifey gets home*

"Steely determination" I like it .... "ball buster" also springs to mind. That's probably why they hadn't a ball between them.

Seamai

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Confirmation bias. You saw the couples out together when it's usually the woman's who's keen to get out and about. In the rest of the couples, the man's at the golf club.

I just picked a recent example where it was glaringly obvious, we had plenty of time for people watching but I see it all the time.

cj maxx

its_steve116 wrote: »

Was listening to this song last week. It's about a laddish, working class guy who suddenly develops a love of things that are middle-class and unladdish. He is also a more open minded person, who doesn't mind the fact that people are gay and who doesn't read the Star any more because he "prefer(s) a boring article to a bird in pants and bra".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnuepN9EvTw
What I wanna know is... how would you transform a laddish guy into someone more sophisticated?

Dump 2 kids with him to look after, it soon puts a lot of things off the table

cj maxx

cj maxx wrote: »

Dump 2 kids with him to look after, it soon puts a lot of things off the table

Only if he has any sense of responsibility.