"I suppose".....the new "em"?

Barney224

Listening to the radio over the past 12 months, I can't get over the amount of Irish people saying "I suppose" in interviews. Has this taken over the traditional "em" to break up fluid sentences? Is this just an Irish thing? Or am I just imagining this?

Gregor Samsa

I suppose it has.

1990sman

sorry but using the word "So" tookover the brainfart at least 3 years ago. i blame american social media.

1990sman

glad u noticed this tho. i thought i was alone

edit - please dont say ur me and and freak me out altogether

Gregor Samsa

1990sman wrote: »

sorry but using the word "So" tookover the brainfart at least 3 years ago. i blame american social media.

Isn't starting a sentence with "sorry", when you're not actually making an apology, one of those Americanisms too?

JohnnyFlash

Let's move forward and discuss this offline.

1990sman

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Isn't starting a sentence with "sorry", when you're not actually making an apology, one of those Americanisms too?

is it? sh!te i was trying to be polite. i genuinely appreciated the thread as its one of the many social nuances so few notice but i had to somewhat disagree yet support at the same time?


might there have been a better way to more brittishly express my quandary? i mean i usen't to agree with posture policing but im prepared to stand corrected.

1990sman

so i was actually sorry. meh

WesternZulu

I thought 'lookit' that was the go to phrase these days when starting starting a sentence on radio/tv.

1990sman

WesternZulu wrote: »

I thought 'lookit' that was the go to phrase these days when starting starting a sentence on radio/tv.

it was but baldies deemed it derogatory and passive aggressive.

McGinniesta

WesternZulu wrote: »

I thought 'lookit' that was the go to phrase these days when starting starting a sentence on radio/tv.

thats gaa players

Randle P. McMurphy

I've often wondered where 'look' before every sentence originated from. It seemed to come from nowhere and before long you couldn't listen to a tv/radio interview without hearing it

Is there a linguist on boards who could enlighten us on how these phrases come about and get so ubiquitous?

larva

I get more annoyed when ppl say d'know what I mean after sentence they utter, its like d'know what I mean it somehow backs up what they just said d'know what I mean

Agricola

"You know lookit I suppose the lads knew they had to up their game since the last round and I suppose credit to the lads for lookit you know puttin in a good shift and sure lookit we trained hard since and sure you know it stood to us and I suppose we can look forward to the next game now and you know sure lookit we won't fear anyone at this stage I suppose"

larva

Agricola wrote: »

"You know lookit I suppose the lads knew they had to up their game since the last round and I suppose credit to the lads for lookit you know puttin in a good shift and sure lookit we trained hard since and sure you know it stood to us and I suppose we can look forward to the next game now and you know sure lookit we won't fear anyone at this stage I suppose"

1990sman

and when you boil it down it's all technologies fault, and when you drill down into a deep dive on that and become cogniscent, well it's basically just wheels and walls.

1990sman

let me know if u see a "politician" they are extinct in this land for nearly 100 years.

Your Face

If they use the correct adverbs, they will be called posh, snobby etc.

CrankyHaus

Your Face wrote: »

If they use the correct adverbs, they will be called posh, snobby etc.

"Don't want to upset the appletart" as Bertie put it. I suspect he learned from the example of Haughey that people may resent airs but if you pretend to be a bit of an eejit, and in truth Bertie was anything but, they'll think you have the common touch.

topper75

There are a number of these annoying ways to preface an answer.

"Yeah, no" is my bugbear. Which is it? If you are confused, expect me to be doubly so and doubly disinterested in your opinion as a result.

Church on Tuesday

I prefer "em" to "um" every time TBH.

pgj2015

McGinniesta wrote: »

thats gaa players

Listen is another one.

Ipso

I suppose you should lean into it.

Edgware

WesternZulu wrote: »

I thought 'lookit' that was the go to phrase these days when starting starting a sentence on radio/tv.

That is only to be used by GAA heads explaining why "de lads" didnt "perform"

Say Your Number

It literally isn't.

Bobblehats

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

I prefer "em" to "um" every time TBH.

How about uh?

Not to be confused with uhuh. And certainly not



Uhuhuh...

Church on Tuesday

Bobblehats wrote: »

How about uh?

Not to be confused with uhuh. And certainly not



Uhuhuh...

Only this man could get away with that

Thelonious Monk

that's funny I just noticed this recently too. In the UK the more educated types seem to be peppering sentences with "sort of" at an alarming level. I think "I suppose" is the Irish "sort of".

Sorolla

larva wrote: »

I get more annoyed when ppl say d'know what I mean after sentence they utter, its like d'know what I mean it somehow backs up what they just said d'know what I mean

I was in Arigna Coal museum and an former miner was the tour guide - and he was very nice but he had an awful Leitrim/Roscommon accent and at the end of every sentence he asked us

“do u no wha ay mane”

Coillte_Bhoy

1990sman wrote: »

sorry but using the word "So" tookover the brainfart at least 3 years ago. i blame american social media.

Ronan Glynn and one of the other public health people do this all the time

tupenny

People starting sentences with "I mean" , I hate it!!
And it's not just when speaking, even typing a sentence starting with"I mean" .... aaah!!
Bring back "I suppose"

topper75

Sorolla wrote: »

I was in Arigna Coal museum and an former miner was the tour guide - and he was very nice but he had an awful Leitrim/Roscommon accent and at the end of every sentence he asked us

“do u no wha ay mane”

I accept your annoyance, but given a choice between a tour of the place by somebody who has walked the walk or some cut-glass vowels elocution lessons girl, I am always choosing the former.

Ficheall

Like

mikecope

Supposing, supposing, three men were frozen; two died, how many were left?

topper75

These seemingly thoughtless tics must be in fact some way deliberate. They are used to signal membership of an in-group I think.

The GAA 'lookit' is obvious.

I also hear arty and academic types interspersing their mindless musings with 'in a sense' and 'as it were'.

So ... I suppose ... the poet is eh ... in a sense... saying that the the universe... as it were is ... in a sense... is ... you know... nourishing our souls... as it were.

riclad

Some people say like, eg i was like i don,t deserve to get a parking ticket, etc
i was like why do i need to wear a mask,
em is not the worst word to use.
I think different countys have different expressions, or words that appear at random in a sentence .
the thing the annoys me is people dropping the g ,
eg i was expectin, i was collectin, eg for some people the letter g does not exist at least when speaking .

Gregor Samsa

riclad wrote: »

Some people say like, eg i was like i don,t deserve to get a parking ticket, etc
i was like why do i need to wear a mask,
em is not the worst word to use.
I think different countys have different expressions, or words that appear at random in a sentence .

"like", "look", "I mean", etc are examples of discourse markers, used in every spoken language in the world. They're a natural part of informal, spoken language.

Sounds such as "um", "eh", etc are filled pauses. Again extremely common amongst speakers of all languages. They allow the speaker to gather their thoughts for the next thing they're about to say, while still continuing to speak. It would be weirder if they were silent pauses.

riclad wrote: »

the thing the annoys me is people dropping the g ,
eg i was expectin, i was collectin, eg for some people the letter g does not exist at least when speaking .

This is known as G-Dropping, and is common in many English language accents worldwide. Just one example of the many features that different accents have.

They're all common features of informal speech. As very few people speak perfect standard, formal English all the time, it's odd that people get so hung up on them. If you record yourself talking in a normal setting, you'll see all the strange pauses, half words, ems, ahs, that we all use in everyday speech. But we tend not to notice them when we do them ourselves. If you ever join Toastmasters, or do a training course in public speaking, or even just practice a presentation you have to give by recording yourself, it's a eye-opener.

endacl

riclad wrote: »

Some people say like, eg i was like i don,t deserve to get a parking ticket, etc
i was like why do i need to wear a mask,
em is not the worst word to use.
I think different countys have different expressions, or words that appear at random in a sentence .
the thing the annoys me is people dropping the g ,
eg i was expectin, i was collectin, eg for some people the letter g does not exist at least when speaking .

Your posts always remind me of E.E. Cummings

Brendan Bendar

WesternZulu wrote: »

I thought 'lookit' that was the go to phrase these days when starting starting a sentence on radio/tv.

GAA circles mainly.

And it’s “I ‘spossse” Not “I Suppose”.

Brendan Bendar

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Ronan Glynn and one of the other public health people do this all the time

He is not alone......

Dudes, especially senior civil servants are notorious.

Heard a guy being interviewed and started EVERY FORHKING SENTENCE with “So”.

Errashareesh

I thought I was a language pedant. How do ye notice some of this stuff?!

Brendan Bendar

Errashareesh wrote: »

I thought I was a language pedant. How do ye notice some of this stuff?!

Like, you can’t avoid it.

Ubbquittious

I've been saying it for years. People are finally catching on, I'm so far ahead of the trend. 'ah fcuk it shur shag it' will be what all the pundits will be saying in 15 years time

Sure lookit I suppose

AllForIt

Ficheall wrote: »

Like

That is one I do, and I can't shake it. I heard someone call that a 'tick' but I'm not fully sure what this is except that's what it's called. Some mental thing I suppose.


edit: 'I suppose' was used in the right context here : )

Pythagorean

AllForIt wrote: »

That is one I do, and I can't shake it. I heard someone call that a 'tick' but I'm not fully sure what this is except that's what it's called. Some mental thing I suppose.


edit: 'I suppose' was used in the right context here : )

It's a tic, an involuntary action, usually refers to a physical twitch, etc. but can be applied to a verbal repetitive habit, eg saying "like" every few seconds.

riclad

The thing that annoys me is í watch a a few youtuber, s and at random times they just say the f word. I listen to gaming podcasts and
there's a curse word every 5 minutes in some of them. I think there's people who curse so much its almost unconscious. They do, nt say eh they say f word or sh1t at random times
I.m not a prude. It's just an annoying habit.
I wish someone would invent an app to remove the f word from podcasts

Hego Damask

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Let's move forward and discuss this offline.

Will touch base ....

ping me ...

Pythagorean

riclad wrote: »

The thing that annoys me is í watch a a few youtuber, s and at random times they just say the f word. I listen to gaming podcasts and
there's a curse word every 5 minutes in some of them. I think there's people who curse so much its almost unconscious. They do, nt say eh they say f word or sh1t at random times
I.m not a prude. It's just an annoying habit.
I wish someone would invent an app to remove the f word from podcasts

Agreed, the widespread and needless use of profanity is coarsening and impoverishing discourse. The F word can have an impact when used strategically and calculated to cause a shock, but when used every few seconds it becomes annoying and stupid, and reflects badly on the person who uses it:mad:

CrankyHaus

Pythagorean wrote: »

Agreed, the widespread and needless use of profanity is coarsening and impoverishing discourse. The F word can have an impact when used strategically and calculated to cause a shock, but when used every few seconds it becomes annoying and stupid, and reflects badly on the person who uses it:mad:

It's fairly widespread in Ireland though. To the point where some people can't even converse in a business seeing without using profanity as a form of punctuation. I even encountered it with a TD I had to deal with in work.

riclad

i think its a bro dude, thing, its like on every gaming podcast theres always one man who just says f word or fffing or sh1t every 5 minutes ,
its almost funny .EVERY podcast or youtube video i listen to no one says the words critic or criticize, its joe bloggs does nt like like game x.he sh1t on it in his review.
maybe its a gen z thing.
you are not cool unless you use the f word or some profanity every few minutes.
its like the joke,cliche , i,m from the streets man, cool, says the harvard educated son of a millionaire .
i think all these podcasters are middle class and well educated and they went to university.
i have no problem with people cursing or using the f word if they are really angry or upset about something.