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Citroen e-C4

  • 20-08-2020 4:59pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭ eagerv


    Nice looking car, due soon according to video:




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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,384 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    I'd walk before I buy a French car......


  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭ Zenith74


    Nice looking car, great to see so many new EVs coming to the market!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭ eagerv


    Mad_Lad wrote: »
    I'd walk before I buy a French car......


    Lol.. I think the French have improved a bit with their electrics.. I even feel safe flying in an Airbus.:)


    Even though I did have a Peugeot 406 not too long ago that used to indicate regularly for no reason..


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭ eagerv


    Zenith74 wrote: »
    Nice looking car, great to see so many new EVs coming to the market!


    Agree, the more the merrier.
    Whether the battery will be big enough for what looks a reasonable size car. Seems to be using the same as Pug 208 and Corsa. (46kWh usable ?)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭ haphaphap


    This looks to be the best of the larger eCMP platform cars purely because it should have a larger range due to the better aerodynamics of the sloping hatchback.
    Also Citroen is generous with the specification. It charges to 80% at the same 30 minutes as the rest of the eCMP cars.
    It could be a good alternative to an ID3 and should be very comfortable with mushy seats and hydralic cushions in suspension.
    It also has real knobs and buttons, not touch sensitive areas on dash and steering wheels.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭ Patser


    I've seen a few reviews for it and all seem fairly similar - decent, but not exciting especially to drive; still an alternative to look at.


    https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/citroen/ec4-electric/


    I think it suffers a bit from the same issues that all the PSA emp chassis have. They have decided that their electric cars will be available as an alternative engine to petrol/diesel in their standard car. Production wise this probably makes sense, and as a way of introducing more buyers to EVs it night work too. Want a 'normal' looking car that just happens to be an EV well here's you Corsa/208/Mokka/C4 whatever identical to an ICE but with an electric engine, fwd and not too powerful.

    The downside is it prevents you from designing a car that fully utilises all the benefits an EV engine can have - flat floor, smaller engine bay with more interior space, RWD easy to do, acceleration. Instead you get a fairly standard car, that just happens to be an EV. And the e C4 is a prime example of this, decent but nearly as exciting as say an id3 or i3


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭ haphaphap


    You can get a loaded e-C4 for less than the price of a lower spec 45kw ID3 in Germany and I'd expect they would be more amenable to discount negotiation. The specifications are near enough the same except for a few less features on the ID3.
    Some may take a look at the interior of the ID3 and be turned off by it and of all the Stellantis product this looks like the nearest competitor in terms of range, speed, size and charging time but a more conventional product which might appeal to the Customers who aren't early adopters.
    It is being overlooked in the market.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,787 ✭✭✭✭ AMKC


    Patser wrote: »
    I've seen a few reviews for it and all seem fairly similar - decent, but not exciting especially to drive; still an alternative to look at.


    https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/citroen/ec4-electric/


    I think it suffers a bit from the same issues that all the PSA emp chassis have. They have decided that their electric cars will be available as an alternative engine to petrol/diesel in their standard car. Production wise this probably makes sense, and as a way of introducing more buyers to EVs it night work too. Want a 'normal' looking car that just happens to be an EV well here's you Corsa/208/Mokka/C4 whatever identical to an ICE but with an electric engine, fwd and not too powerful.

    The downside is it prevents you from designing a car that fully utilises all the benefits an EV engine can have - flat floor, smaller engine bay with more interior space, RWD easy to do, acceleration. Instead you get a fairly standard car, that just happens to be an EV. And the e C4 is a prime example of this, decent but nearly as exciting as say an id3 or i3

    As exciting as an id3 lol because that is about as exciting as butter.
    I would have the e C4 anyday over the id3. So much better to look at and I would say it's a lot more comfortable on potholed Irish roads too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,384 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    French cars are just not my thing and it will probably loose it's value like any French car.

    Anyone know the power of this thing ? being French I presume it will be slow, no more than about 130 Hp I'd say ?

    Thing that attracts me the most to the id.3 is the travel assist, if it's as good as some of the videos I've seen it will really change my commute for the better.

    + the id.3 tour 5 has decent charge rates too if you can find a 150 Kw charger. + rear wheel drive, makes a big difference with electric but the e-c4 probably won't have the power to matter much.

    Still, it's good to see another ev on the road and the colour in the pic above is cool, better than the dreary grey I see too much of these days.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭ haphaphap


    You are comparing high end id3 rather than a lower end 45kwh id3. Apples and Oranges.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,384 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    haphaphap wrote: »
    You are comparing high end id3 rather than a lower end 45kwh id3. Apples and Oranges.

    True, forgot they're bringing out the lower power version.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭ haphaphap


    This car performs very well. German language Youtube results:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDSqmwyyyEU charging speed results.
    https://youtu.be/b4RheTlUYlQ?t=164 rectangular 1000km route on Autobahn.
    https://youtu.be/b4RheTlUYlQ?t=1037 results in his spreadsheet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭ haphaphap



    These guys give fair, informative reviews reminiscent of the old Top Gear reviews of the last century.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,384 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    haphaphap wrote: »
    This car performs very well. German language Youtube results:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDSqmwyyyEU charging speed results.
    https://youtu.be/b4RheTlUYlQ?t=164 rectangular 1000km route on Autobahn.
    https://youtu.be/b4RheTlUYlQ?t=1037 results in his spreadsheet.

    That e-c4 charging speed is pretty decent.

    The id.3 figures are tests by Bjorn on Ionity

    E-C4 30 mins 32 Kwh

    id.3 58 Kwh 30 mins 38 Kwh

    id.3 77 Kwh 49.77 Kwh

    If I compare this to my old 2015 leaf, 30 mins would have got 17 Kwh on a good day, 40 odd mins if it was cold. :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 142 ✭✭ into_the_wild


    Has anybody here bought an electric C4 recently? Any positive/negative reviews?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭ celtic_oz




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