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Buying in Spain - What to Consider?

  • 17-08-2020 1:14pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭


    I'm looking to get some insights into the realities of buying a property in Spain in the coming years.
    With my limited knowledge, it appears feasible, so I'd like to know if there's something I'm missing and then I can forget about this idea - right now, more so from a bank/affordability stand-point.

    I have a home in Ireland with my wife and kids. The mortgage is manageable but won't be finished for a long while yet.
    The intention is to eventually buy a place in Spain where we can holiday and eventually retire to.

    Price-wise, decent 2 bed apartments are around the 120k mark. The figure I have in my head would be maybe a budget of 150k.
    The vision is to save a ball of money (lets say 50k for a round number) and get a small mortgage for the rest. We would rent out the place for parts of the year to help with the mortgage overall (though I understand and accept that this is not guaranteed income).

    Would also factor in a modest sum for annual charges and taxes etc.

    Would it be advisable to get the mortgage from a Spanish bank?
    Are there any particulars around financial stress-tests to be aware of?


    TIA for any helpful posts.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭SpencerJC


    Diceicle wrote: »
    I'm looking to get some insights into the realities of buying a property in Spain in the coming years.
    With my limited knowledge, it appears feasible, so I'd like to know if there's something I'm missing and then I can forget about this idea - right now, more so from a bank/affordability stand-point.

    I have a home in Ireland with my wife and kids. The mortgage is manageable but won't be finished for a long while yet.
    The intention is to eventually buy a place in Spain where we can holiday and eventually retire to.

    Price-wise, decent 2 bed apartments are around the 120k mark. The figure I have in my head would be maybe a budget of 150k.
    The vision is to save a ball of money (lets say 50k for a round number) and get a small mortgage for the rest. We would rent out the place for parts of the year to help with the mortgage overall (though I understand and accept that this is not guaranteed income).

    Would also factor in a modest sum for annual charges and taxes etc.

    Would it be advisable to get the mortgage from a Spanish bank?
    Are there any particulars around financial stress-tests to be aware of?


    TIA for any helpful posts.


    Where abouts in Spain would you be looking? They never stop building in certain parts of Spain, there tends to be a lot of demand for new builds compared to 2nd hand. I know people who paid 250K for a nice 2 bed new build and down the road you could pick up something similar for about 100k, just second hand. Granted the former is closer to the beach but still a big difference. This is close to Alicante btw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,059 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Yes, where are you thinking of buying?

    And if you are not trolling why would you consider this now of all times on the planet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    Yes, where are you thinking of buying?

    And if you are not trolling why would you consider this now of all times on the planet.

    maybe because
    A its a long term plan and hopefully Covid wont be around forever
    B Property prices may fall in Spain in the coming months


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Pelezico


    brisan wrote: »
    maybe because
    A its a long term plan and hopefully Covid wont be around forever
    B Property prices may fall in Spain in the coming months

    I am considering buying....a little town north of Denia called Oliva.

    Very cheap for beach property and access to airports at Alicante and Valencia.

    Go to idealista and look up properties at Playa de Oliva.

    You will pick up something nice for 120k. Cost of living very cheap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,059 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I'd buy a bolthole in Ireland, a wreck even and do it up over the years.

    Foreign travel is not going to be that viable anytime soon. Lockdowns happen frequently as does quarantine.

    I know the weather is an issue here, but so be it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    Pelezico wrote: »
    I am considering buying....a little town north of Denia called Oliva.

    Very cheap for beach property and access to airports at Alicante and Valencia.

    Go to idealista and look up properties at Playa de Oliva.

    You will pick up something nice for 120k. Cost of living very cheap.

    You obviously watch a place in the sun


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Pelezico


    I'd buy a bolthole in Ireland, a wreck even and do it up over the years.

    Foreign travel is not going to be that viable anytime soon. Lockdowns happen frequently as does quarantine.

    I know the weather is an issue here, but so be it.

    If you move to Spain, cost of living significantly lower and weather is excellent except July and August.

    Make sure there are airports accessible. Oh and learn Spanish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 692 ✭✭✭unhappys10


    Pelezico wrote: »
    I am considering buying....a little town north of Denia called Oliva.

    Very cheap for beach property and access to airports at Alicante and Valencia.

    Go to idealista and look up properties at Playa de Oliva.

    You will pick up something nice for 120k. Cost of living very cheap.

    Just had a Google, nice looking spot!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Pelezico


    unhappys10 wrote: »
    Just had a Google, nice looking spot!

    The beach is superb...one of the best on that coast.

    The cost of property is very cheap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,059 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Pelezico wrote: »
    If you move to Spain, cost of living significantly lower and weather is excellent except July and August.

    Make sure there are airports accessible. Oh and learn Spanish.

    Hola, Yes I know all this. But it is not that accessible anymore really.

    A family member has a place in Casares above Estepona. None of us have been able to visit this year. And hence my username. They are very generous to offer it to us, but they are quite despondent going forward.

    But that's life.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Pelezico


    Hola, Yes I know all this. But it is not that accessible anymore really.

    A family member has a place in Casares above Estepona. None of us have been able to visit this year. And hence my username. They are very generous to offer it to us, but they are quite despondent going forward.

    But that's life.

    Well I am just back from Oliva. I flew to Valencia, got the Metro into town and then a train to Gandia.

    It is very accessible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,059 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Pelezico wrote: »
    Well I am just back from Oliva. I flew to Valencia, got the Metro into town and then a train to Gandia.

    It is very accessible.

    Good to hear.

    How is your quarantine going on return.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 692 ✭✭✭unhappys10


    Pelezico wrote: »
    The beach is superb...one of the best on that coast.

    The cost of property is very cheap.

    Definitely a future plan down the line for my family.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Pelezico


    Good to hear.

    How is your quarantine going on return.

    Really good. I am working from home so no issue.

    Spain is a wonderful place to buy. Go secondhand near beach and stay away from.golf complexes which are overpriced.


  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hola, Yes I know all this. But it is not that accessible anymore really.

    A family member has a place in Casares above Estepona. None of us have been able to visit this year. And hence my username. They are very generous to offer it to us, but they are quite despondent going forward.

    But that's life.




    Covid will not last forever. By the time the OP is retiring to his apartment in Spain, it'll be long, long forgotten about, I'm sure.


  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    For someone who wanted to consider this, are there any services or such where you can wander over and have a look around? Like estate agents that specifically sell to foreigners?


    My sister in law's parents moved over, but it seemed to have been a bit of a random make it up as you go along kind of approach that they took. I have always been meaning to ask them how they opted for where they are etc. but i naturally don't see much of them anymore, and even when they were here every answer tended to last for hours, full of details that had no relevance whatsoever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,341 ✭✭✭jasonb


    I had to do the opposite of this, sell an house in Spain after my Mother died, though it was 7 years ago now, so it might have changed.

    As far as I know (though I could be wrong) you will need to shave a Spanish Bank Account and get a Spanish Mortgage. You also need some sort of 'number', I can't remember the name of it, maybe something like our PPS number, but basically a number that lets you 'do business' in Spain.

    If you don't know Spanish, then learning it would be helpful! And ideally you need someone in Spain, like a broker or estate agent, who will look after the purchase for you as they're over there and you're not. If you know someone in the area, or can get to know someone, they might be able to recommend someone.

    There are the usual bank/solicitors fees etc. etc. and taxes etc. to pay, as well as whatever the agent charges as well.

    Once again, I was selling, not buying, but I'd recommend talking to someone who lives in the area, finding the name of a reputable Estate Agent over there and using them. Lot's of people do this, and it's not a mad idea, but it is a different country with different hoops to jump through that we're not used to (and you know how many hoops we have over here when buying a house!).

    Best of luck with it...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭circular flexing


    Covid will not last forever. By the time the OP is retiring to his apartment in Spain, it'll be long, long forgotten about, I'm sure.


    You can't say that for certain right now. And even if Covid is under control eventually, you can't say that the ease of access pre-Covid in terms of number of flights will be the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Pelezico


    For someone who wanted to consider this, are there any services or such where you can wander over and have a look around? Like estate agents that specifically sell to foreigners?


    My sister in law's parents moved over, but it seemed to have been a bit of a random make it up as you go along kind of approach that they took. I have always been meaning to ask them how they opted for where they are etc. but i naturally don't see much of them anymore, and even when they were here every answer tended to last for hours, full of details that had no relevance whatsoever.

    Do not buy from an estate agent who deals only with foreigners.

    Check kyero and idealista for properties. It is a good starting place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭krissovo


    We bought 10 years ago in Puerto Banus, long story short it was great when kids were young now they are a bit older and have their friends network its not our retreat for long summers as they once were.

    Also the resort and the area around the property has been over developed and the clientele has gone down hill and these beautiful apartments are starting to get abused and not as well maintained as they could be. We would never retire there now.

    We are now looking for an alternative location like Nerja that have local policies that restrict development plus it can be used for skiing in the winter. Early indicators are there is interest in the property and value should hold quite well. Interest is driven by the new work from home employees particularly Nordic based countries.

    In terms of tips, get a local solicitor and ensure they are trust worthy. They can arrange local mortgages and fast track purchases. If you plan on letting it out get a good management company and pay a little over the odds for a good one. A cheap management company is a false economy. Visit the property both in season and off season before buying. Sea views And access to a beach hold their value much higher and easier to let. Property management fees add up, if they are low then the upkeep of the area will be maintained using short cuts, things like pool cleaning take a bit of a hit or maintenance of the gardens. Also maintenance fees do rise with inflation and sometimes higher until a new contract is sourced.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Pelezico


    Phishnet wrote: »
    Maybe you should also consider if there is an airport near your proposed purchase, and if this is the case, will Irish carriers continue to fly into that particular airport due to reduction in flights because of covid.

    Covid will pass. Forget about it.

    That is why I am looking at Oliva Beach. Close to Alicante and Valencia.

    Very accessible. Cheap property and fabulous beach.

    The town of Denia is very near for days away. I can get a cheap train to Valencia for five euros once I pass 60.

    What is not to like? No TV licence, very cheap utility costs and food 40% cheaper than Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,059 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I would consider renting myself. All hassles to the LL. Cannot see the upside to owning a foreign property anymore.

    Did that, have the T Shirt but that was in Nice France. Glad to get away from all the shenanigans, bureacracy and taxes and management fees etc. when we could only use it a few weeks in the year really. Good riddance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,059 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Will think of a bolthole in Ireland now. Cheap as chips and do it up. It's the way the world is going now. Stay close to home, stay safe and all that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,516 ✭✭✭Outkast_IRE


    My father has owned property out there for 15 years.
    He purchased in a small estate south of Torrevieja , good accessibility to Alicante and Murcia Airports.

    Key things to consider -
    Alot of people buy with the intention of renting it out but find out pretty quickly that the extensive wear and tear on the property gets old pretty fast and any of your breaks out there become 2 weeks of jobs. The management company and cleaners that are meant to do if for you spend minimal time in the place between rentals.

    Affordability wise , assume no rent. If you can live with that then you are in good shape. Some people will only rent it out to family members or friends, this tends to work well if you have a big family as a home can be a cost effective destination for a family vs a traditional package holiday, it can sometimes work well on the honor system where they must clean it fully before they leave, and if they dont , they dont get the opportunity to rent again.

    Get a good solicitor over there and ensure any deeds and land ownership is fully resolved. If buying in an estate or community ensure its fully solvent and there isnt a big issue with debtors. Be aware management fees are the norm in every community but generally you can see where the money goes.

    Decide if you want to buy in an established area or a new development. With an established area you know what you are getting, what amenities are local , what mix of people are living there. With a new area it could take 10 years to come 100% right depending on economy in general etc.

    There is some good value to be had, in my dads estate currently there is a 3 bed terrace house going for €99k . The owner was put in a home recently so they need a quick sale. So keep a sharp eye out, but i would not be surprised to see prices drop further in the next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,059 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Phishnet wrote: »
    Maybe you should also consider if there is an airport near your proposed purchase, and if this is the case, will Irish carriers continue to fly into that particular airport due to reduction in flights because of covid.

    That's a good point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Pelezico


    I would consider renting myself. All hassles to the LL. Cannot see the upside to owning a foreign property anymore.

    Did that, have the T Shirt but that was in Nice France. Glad to get away from all the shenanigans, bureacracy and taxes and management fees etc. when we could only use it a few weeks in the year really. Good riddance.


    Spain is much cheaper than France.

    Wine and cigarettes are dirt cheap. Bought a load of salmon for eight euros per kg in the local supermarket.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,737 ✭✭✭pinksoir


    I live in Spain now. Working and living in Barcelona. We are looking the buy in the next few years.

    There's lots of good value here (not in BCN specifically, property prices are insane here) so I would say it's a very realistic option.

    You can get a Spanish mortgage as a foreigner/non resident. In fact I think it must be a Spanish mortgage if you're not buying for cash. They will lend 70% to non residents. There is a property transfer fee which is 10% of the property price, plus a little extra on top for legal fees. This must come out of your pocket. So you're looking at a bit over 40% you'll need to finance yourself.

    Another option is to buy a plot of land and then build a prefab house on it. This is what we're going to do and it's becoming really really big over here. You can get an amazing place for less than 100k (finished and including VAT) Something like 150sqm +. Of course you can go smaller too. You can get plots for peanuts if it's not near a major city. 3-4 months for it to be built.

    The issue here is that a bank will only give a mortgage for 50% of the plot value. And then you have those transfer fees. But you could buy a plot outright for 15-20k (or less). And then use the rest for the mortgage down payment.

    One thing to look out for is when you eventually die and your property goes to your kids. Anything over 16k (for kids/close family its lower for more distant relatives or even siblings) is liable for inheritance tax. It depends on the autonomous region but that might end up being a big chunk of the value (it's about 20% for 200k value). Plus of course they have to pay it within 6 months, even if the property isn't sold. Vintage Spain. Something like 10% of inheritances here are refused because they can't afford to pay the costs. Something to bear in mind.

    But again, depending on the region there are reductions. Madrid and Andalucía (just recently) have something like 99% reductions, so they wouldn't pay anything really.


  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You can't say that for certain right now.

    I think I can. Other than a few scaremongers, I think most people realise that it's not going to be with us permanently. If we managed to figure out how to deal with the Spanish Flu a hundred years ago, I'm pretty confident we will manage with Coronavirus. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,059 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Pelezico wrote: »
    Spain is much cheaper than France.

    Wine and cigarettes are dirt cheap. Bought a load of salmon for eight euros per kg in the local supermarket.

    Yes I know that.

    No way would I buy a property abroad though.

    Renting is the way to go.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭Blondie919


    It's a dream plan for us too but it will be a long time yet before we ever get to that stage. However, the wife is doing all looking and searching for properties. She loves watching A Pace in the Sun and has found an Irish estate agents called VIP. They are based somewhere in the south.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭Diceicle


    SpencerJC wrote: »
    Where abouts in Spain would you be looking? They never stop building in certain parts of Spain, there tends to be a lot of demand for new builds compared to 2nd hand. I know people who paid 250K for a nice 2 bed new build and down the road you could pick up something similar for about 100k, just second hand. Granted the former is closer to the beach but still a big difference. This is close to Alicante btw.

    Thanks for the reply. I'm still very much at the tyre-kicking phase and getting things straight in my head. However, if I came into money tomorrow I would look in the Costa Blana region - or towns in and around Nerja / Calpe etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭Diceicle


    krissovo wrote: »
    We bought 10 years ago in Puerto Banus, long story short it was great when kids were young now they are a bit older and have their friends network its not our retreat for long summers as they once were.

    Also the resort and the area around the property has been over developed and the clientele has gone down hill and these beautiful apartments are starting to get abused and not as well maintained as they could be. We would never retire there now.

    We are now looking for an alternative location like Nerja that have local policies that restrict development plus it can be used for skiing in the winter. Early indicators are there is interest in the property and value should hold quite well. Interest is driven by the new work from home employees particularly Nordic based countries.

    In terms of tips, get a local solicitor and ensure they are trust worthy. They can arrange local mortgages and fast track purchases. If you plan on letting it out get a good management company and pay a little over the odds for a good one. A cheap management company is a false economy. Visit the property both in season and off season before buying. Sea views And access to a beach hold their value much higher and easier to let. Property management fees add up, if they are low then the upkeep of the area will be maintained using short cuts, things like pool cleaning take a bit of a hit or maintenance of the gardens. Also maintenance fees do rise with inflation and sometimes higher until a new contract is sourced.


    Thanks. Good input there.
    In relation to Spanish mortgages do you ( or anyone else reading) have insights into how they work? By that I mean, in ireland we can get 3 year fixed for around the 3% mark - but in Germany (for example) you can get a 3 year or less fixed rate for 30 years. How is Spain in that regard?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭Diceicle


    Pelezico wrote: »
    Covid will pass. Forget about it.

    That is why I am looking at Oliva Beach. Close to Alicante and Valencia.

    Very accessible. Cheap property and fabulous beach.

    The town of Denia is very near for days away. I can get a cheap train to Valencia for five euros once I pass 60.

    What is not to like? No TV licence, very cheap utility costs and food 40% cheaper than Ireland.

    Holidayed in Denia and Valencia a couple of years ago. Lovely places.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭DulchieLaois


    Town called peniscola which is near Valencia is where I want to visit but it’s best to visit off season where there is nobody around such as October and November and u get apartments for 300 euros a month rent, far cheaper than buying and paying interest


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭jayjay2010


    Interesting thread....I was thinking of posting a similar one!

    Also interested in buying in Spain, in the Costa Del Sol, near Benalmedina. Properties there tend to be a bit more expensive I would imagine due to it being rather touristy and close to major airport.

    Hoping to buy with a view to use as holiday home/ alternative living maybe in the next few years to spend a few months of the year there. Very affordable monthly repayments even if never rented out.

    I think prices will fall over the next 6/12 months so for now just researching areas etc.... but seems to be great value for money!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,737 ✭✭✭pinksoir


    The expectation is that prices will fall dramatically over the next couple of years. The country has been financially decimated by covid. Land prices in particular are set to fall as they did during the last recession. They only just started going up again in 2016 or so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭joeysoap


    Can’t talk about Spain but I have a friend who has a Portuguese property, inheritance rules are much as here ie spouses are exempt as are descendants of owner and most properties are jointly owned. There is a property tax, electricity bills, water bills and gas bills to pay. The last 3 are by direct debit, the property tax is not. There is community costs( pool cleaning and pool water costs make up the bulk but if there are lifts (his apartment block is only 2 stories so there’s none) they have to be serviced and certified yearly. In Portugal the tv licence is added to the electricity bills ( nor dear - around €30 per annum ) water in and water out are cheap under 50c per 1,000 for the first 5,000 liters but go up after that. I have use of his property but with covid even he’s not using it and thinking of selling. As posted previously Nordic buyers seem to be active. He bought when sterling was strong ( he’s from NI ) and will make a profit (ctg is 28% in Portugal and 10% of the selling price is exempt) and the first £11000 of profit is exempt in NI). I was going in September but obviously not now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭krissovo


    Diceicle wrote: »
    Thanks. Good input there.
    In relation to Spanish mortgages do you ( or anyone else reading) have insights into how they work? By that I mean, in ireland we can get 3 year fixed for around the 3% mark - but in Germany (for example) you can get a 3 year or less fixed rate for 30 years. How is Spain in that regard?

    My mortgage was fixed at 2.72% for the term which was 15 years so it was quite a high rate at the time. We could have got it much lower if I recall by buying the insurances through the lender and including some other clauses like not being able to overpay or even pay off early. The penalties for early payment were quite severe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Pelezico


    joeysoap wrote: »
    Can’t talk about Spain but I have a friend who has a Portuguese property, inheritance rules are much as here ie spouses are exempt as are descendants of owner and most properties are jointly owned. There is a property tax, electricity bills, water bills and gas bills to pay. The last 3 are by direct debit, the property tax is not. There is community costs( pool cleaning and pool water costs make up the bulk but if there are lifts (his apartment block is only 2 stories so there’s none) they have to be serviced and certified yearly. In Portugal the tv licence is added to the electricity bills ( nor dear - around €30 per annum ) water in and water out are cheap under 50c per 1,000 for the first 5,000 liters but go up after that. I have use of his property but with covid even he’s not using it and thinking of selling. As posted previously Nordic buyers seem to be active. He bought when sterling was strong ( he’s from NI ) and will make a profit (ctg is 28% in Portugal and 10% of the selling price is exempt) and the first £11000 of profit is exempt in NI). I was going in September but obviously not now.

    To think what we pay for TV licence...listen to George Lee and Joe Duffy pontificate for massive wages.

    Spain has no TV licence and utilities are dirt cheap. Healty care system is good too.

    Portugal encourages retirees..by having mo income tax...not sure of rules but nice.

    I prefer Spain myself.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 24 Harper91


    Yes I know that.

    No way would I buy a property abroad though.

    Renting is the way to go.

    I was thinking of buying something abroad in a couple of years, but I think your right it's not the way to go, if you buy abroad you are stuck going over there every year,

    I would rather rent if I was going for a week or 2 or just go to a hotel for a weekend away is very cheap.

    I like going to different places cant see myself going to same place every year will soon get sick of it .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭krissovo


    Yes I know that.

    No way would I buy a property abroad though.

    Renting is the way to go.

    A lot has changed for a lot of employees, I will not have to work in a office again with changes being made since COVID. This make a 2nd home more viable and if my kids were not in school I would be off in a flash to my apartment for the next 3 months.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭Del Boy


    Spain isn't a winter destination. If you want to rent for part of the year then it's the Canaries. Fuerteventura is cheaper and less developed. But no way would I buy in mainland Spain.....only 6 or 7 months sun. The busiest time of year in the Canaries is Christmas because it's the only spot in EU you'll get heat at that time of year. Easier to rent for a few months in winter too as loads of retired people go out for a few weeks in winter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭Diceicle


    Harper91 wrote: »
    I was thinking of buying something abroad in a couple of years, but I think your right it's not the way to go, if you buy abroad you are stuck going over there every year,

    I would rather rent if I was going for a week or 2 or just go to a hotel for a weekend away is very cheap.

    I like going to different places cant see myself going to same place every year will soon get sick of it .

    Its not for everyone.
    However, to push back on the 'stuck over there every year' argument - in my scenario of taking out a mortgage of ~€100k (lets say over 15 years at 3%) - that gives a monthly repayment of around €690 (€8280 per annum) . If you've bought in a place that can achieve an average rent of €100 a night and rent it for 90 nights over the whole year thats €9000 there. Even if I only rent for 50 or 60 nights - I still only have to cover a small mortgage.

    With those numbers its still very possible for us to holiday wherever we like and still pop over to Spain when we feel like it and or when flight prices are positive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,357 ✭✭✭✭SteelyDanJalapeno


    Diceicle wrote: »
    Its not for everyone.
    However, to push back on the 'stuck over there every year' argument - in my scenario of taking out a mortgage of ~€100k (lets say over 15 years at 3%) - that gives a monthly repayment of around €690 (€8280 per annum) . If you've bought in a place that can achieve an average rent of €100 a night and rent it for 90 nights over the whole year thats €9000 there. Even if I only rent for 50 or 60 nights - I still only have to cover a small mortgage.

    With those numbers its still very possible for us to holiday wherever we like and still pop over to Spain when we feel like it and or when flight prices are positive.

    Is there no tax due on rentals in Spain?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 987 ✭✭✭mikep


    pinksoir wrote: »
    Another option is to buy a plot of land and then build a prefab house on it. This is what we're going to do and it's becoming really really big over here. You can get an amazing place for less than 100k (finished and including VAT) Something like 150sqm +. Of course you can go smaller too. You can get plots for peanuts if it's not near a major city. 3-4 months for it to be built.

    Hi there
    Would these be timber frame houses?

    What is the planning process like??

    I'd be interested in looking at something like that..


  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd buy a bolthole in Ireland............

    That's what we did, never mad keen on the 14 days in the sun etc so suits us grand. Not for everyone though and if you like the sun, well Ireland :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Baybay


    Diceicle wrote: »
    ~€100k (lets say over 15 years at 3%) - that gives a monthly repayment of around €690 (€8280 per annum) . If you've bought in a place that can achieve an average rent of €100 a night and rent it for 90 nights over the whole year thats €9000 there. Even if I only rent for 50 or 60 nights - I still only have to cover a small mortgage.

    Consider also tax obligations, insurance, furnishing, advertising costs, housekeeping logistics, local representation perhaps, maintenance, possible management fees, broken item replacement etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭Diceicle


    pinksoir wrote: »

    .....

    Another option is to buy a plot of land and then build a prefab house on it. This is what we're going to do and it's becoming really really big over here. You can get an amazing place for less than 100k (finished and including VAT) Something like 150sqm +. Of course you can go smaller too. You can get plots for peanuts if it's not near a major city. 3-4 months for it to be built.

    ....

    Thats something I'd not considered before. In relation to getting connected to utilties (water etc) whats the situation there? Is there any major cost involved?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭IAmTheReign


    Diceicle wrote: »
    Its not for everyone.
    However, to push back on the 'stuck over there every year' argument - in my scenario of taking out a mortgage of ~€100k (lets say over 15 years at 3%) - that gives a monthly repayment of around €690 (€8280 per annum) . If you've bought in a place that can achieve an average rent of €100 a night and rent it for 90 nights over the whole year thats €9000 there. Even if I only rent for 50 or 60 nights - I still only have to cover a small mortgage.

    With those numbers its still very possible for us to holiday wherever we like and still pop over to Spain when we feel like it and or when flight prices are positive.

    You really need to consider the fact that the times you'll want to use the house are the same times people will want to rent it. The bulk of those 90 days would have to be between May and August, particularly weekends.

    I would seriously suggest visiting anywhere you're thinking of buying in the off season. Apparently the population of Denia doubles during peak season. If you've only ever visited during the summer you'll have a very distorted view of the place.


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