north/south co.Dublin farmers?

Dickie10

Hi just wondering if we have many north or south county dublin farmers on here. i have a question or two....

NcdJd

Dickie10 wrote: »

Hi just wondering if we have many north or south county dublin farmers on here. i have a question or two....

Whats the question?

Dickie10

i see on google earth and google maps places ,like private farmyards say on foothills of the dublin mountains, and the yards seem full to the gills of scrap cars etc. why are there so many yards like this? others yards seem really downtrodden they look as if they were big places once but seeem abandonded and neglected now. theres also what looks like vast acres unused for building or agriculture . like neglected grassland. i see this around bits of northside too. it seems where housing estates stop theres a big grey area of land not used at all bbefore farmland starts proper especially on north edge of finglas, ballymun.

NcdJd

Dickie10 wrote: »

i see on google earth and google maps places ,like private farmyards say on foothills of the dublin mountains, and the yards seem full to the gills of scrap cars etc. why are there so many yards like this? others yards seem really downtrodden they look as if they were big places once but seeem abandonded and neglected now. theres also what looks like vast acres unused for building or agriculture . like neglected grassland. i see this around bits of northside too. it seems where housing estates stop theres a big grey area of land not used at all bbefore farmland starts proper especially on north edge of finglas, ballymun.

There's no one reason for this. Land has been bought by developers for future industrial use, housing, the DAA, the councils are other ones.

There are still very large tillage outfits that farm right up to housing estates around Swords for instance and have always done this.

I don't know anything about scrap yards on the dublin montains but somebody is making money out of it!

And then you may have siblings who inherited it from their parents but not interested in doing anything with it?

NcdJd

By the way, you asked a question about ballymacartle in another thread. Ballymacartle borders Charlie Haughey's Abbeyville estate. Careys have a horse riding school across the road from it. The estate i think you described there is Baskin Cottages?

ganmo

I think I'm the only southsider on here
send me gps links and i might be able to get ya more info

Nekarsulm

A mate has a farm literally across the road from the last houses in Tallagh.
Keeps a few thousand free range hens, and some milking goats.
Incredible view from the kitchen window at night right across the city..

ganmo

Nekarsulm wrote: »

A mate has a farm literally across the road from the last houses in Tallagh.
Keeps a few thousand free range hens, and some milking goats.
Incredible view from the kitchen window at night right across the city..

Is their surname Jones?

forgottenhills

There is not much farm land left in South East County Dublin now. The city has now almost reached the foothills of the Dublin mountains in areas such as Carrickmines or Kilternan and much of the remaining land is earmarked for further development so being hobby farmed or neglected at present. Which is sad as there is some great farm land being lost to greater Dublin!

Nekarsulm

ganmo wrote: »

Is their surname Jones?

No Ganmo, they have Old Court farm.
And I'm wrong about Tallagh, they are actually Firhouse.

arctictree

forgottenhills wrote: »

There is not much farm land left in South East County Dublin now. The city has now almost reached the foothills of the Dublin mountains in areas such as Carrickmines or Kilternan and much of the remaining land is earmarked for further development so being hobby farmed or neglected at present. Which is sad as there is some great farm land being lost to greater Dublin!

I'd say a lot of the time it's just that with proximity to the city, there are no shortages of good, well paid, full time jobs. Farm then gets neglected and then eventually sold off. In the mountainous areas, you may as well be in connemara as regards farming income.

ganmo

Nekarsulm wrote: »

No Ganmo, they have Old Court farm.
And I'm wrong about Tallagh, they are actually Firhouse.

Firhouse is just posh tallaght :P
I've a mate living right beside there and swears its knocklyon.

kk.man

There was a lovely farm i often admired in my youth. It was located south bound side of the m7/n7 just past the red cow roundabout. It had a lovely old residence and an astonishing yellow brick barn. Only the barn survived. I think the An post sorting centre is built on some of the land. I always saw a mf135 with a green Duncan cab parked outside and I recon the farmer bought it from Dublin Airport. There is still a few fields left and the barn.
On day last year the gates of the farmyard were open and I planned on my return journey to photograph the barn from inside if whoever was there would give me permission. However the gates were locked when I drove by. I always believed that it was the last working farm close to the city on the south east side.

Base price

NcdJd wrote: »

There's no one reason for this. Land has been bought by developers for future industrial use, housing, the DAA, the councils are other ones.

There are still very large tillage outfits that farm right up to housing estates around Swords for instance and have always done this.

I don't know anything about scrap yards on the dublin montains but somebody is making money out of it!

And then you may have siblings who inherited it from their parents but not interested in doing anything with it?

Still a few dairy farmers operating beside the airport and on the outskirts of Swords.

Birdnuts

forgottenhills wrote: »

There is not much farm land left in South East County Dublin now. The city has now almost reached the foothills of the Dublin mountains in areas such as Carrickmines or Kilternan and much of the remaining land is earmarked for further development so being hobby farmed or neglected at present. Which is sad as there is some great farm land being lost to greater Dublin!

Prior to the late 60's Tallagh/Clondalkin dairy farms were the main milk suppliers to the city. Last vestiges of this is that famous Holstein Herd still operating between Corkagh Park and Casement Aerodrome.

Nika Bolokov

Birdnuts wrote: »

Prior to the late 60's Tallagh/Clondalkin dairy farms were the main milk suppliers to the city. Last vestiges of this is that famous Holstein Herd still operating between Corkagh Park and Casement Aerodrome.

Yup big potato grower in Clondalkin up until the early 80,s.

Very small dairy herd in Clondalkin village kept by the Marist brothers up until about 10 years ago but they are too old now.

Nothing left now though some large emtpy fields in grassland but no longer farmed along the Belgard Road leaving Clondalkin into Tallght for about 20 years, think the IRFU owned the land.

NcdJd

Base price wrote: »

Still a few dairy farmers operating beside the airport and on the outskirts of Swords.

There's a fairly well known dairy farmer that draws bales of silage from up the road from where i live and always seems to do it in evening rush hour. Tractor chugging along at 16 miles an hour with a very long line of motorists who probably want to murder him. .. No straps or f all. Has been stopped a couple of times by the gardai for going too slow but doesn't seem to phase him.

His cows are avid plane spotters lol

Say my name

If only 1606 and the creation of county Wicklow never happened. .

Cattlepen

kk.man wrote: »

There was a lovely farm i often admired in my youth. It was located south bound side of the m7/n7 just past the red cow roundabout. It had a lovely old residence and an astonishing yellow brick barn. Only the barn survived. I think the An post sorting centre is built on some of the land. I always saw a mf135 with a green Duncan cab parked outside and I recon the farmer bought it from Dublin Airport. There is still a few fields left and the barn.
On day last year the gates of the farmyard were open and I planned on my return journey to photograph the barn from inside if whoever was there would give me permission. However the gates were locked when I drove by. I always believed that it was the last working farm close to the city on the south east side.

The farm your talking about belonged to a man named Dan Cullen. His farm was immaculate and his mf135 was equally immaculate. A decent man he was. I was reared on a dairy farm on the other side of Clondalkin. A lot of the farmers around there had there origins in the inner city and sold “loose” milk to the people of dublin. I used hear my father talking about farms in Crumlin and kimmage. A lifetime and a half ago.

Base price

Birdnuts wrote: »

Prior to the late 60's Tallagh/Clondalkin dairy farms were the main milk suppliers to the city. Last vestiges of this is that famous Holstein Herd still operating between Corkagh Park and Casement Aerodrome.

Ah that was on the South side. On the North side Merville's in Finglas were the main suppliers of milk. They later became Premier Dairies (now part of Glanbia) and that name still supplies milk on supermarket shelves in NCD

Cattlepen

Nika Bolokov wrote: »

Yup big potato grower in Clondalkin up until the early 80,s.

Very small dairy herd in Clondalkin village kept by the Marist brothers up until about 10 years ago but they are too old now.

Nothing left now though some large emtpy fields in grassland but no longer farmed along the Belgard Road leaving Clondalkin into Tallght for about 20 years, think the IRFU owned the land.

The land owned by the IRFU was a farm called Whitehall. The men who owned it were michaél and Jack McDonald and were pure gentlemen and great farmers. They would not have had a hayseed out of place

Cattlepen

Base price wrote: »

Ah that was on the South side. On the North side Merville's in Finglas were the main suppliers of milk. They later became Premier Dairies (part of Glanbia) and that name still supplies milk on supermarket shelves in NCD

The Melvins milked a lot of cows out there. In the days where labour was cheap and men hand milked for very little. A lot of cow were kept in the city during winter. It was convenient access Distillery and brewery by products for feed.my grandfather kept his cows in Marylebone Lane off the Coombe. Pigs were kept in inner city till the mid to late 80’s . Fed on slops from restaurants and hotels. Anyway, I hope I’m not boring ye

Base price

NcdJd wrote: »

There's a fairly well known dairy farmer that draws bales of silage from up the road from where i live and always seems to do it in evening rush hour. Tractor chugging along at 16 miles an hour with a very long line of motorists who probably want to murder him. .. No straps or f all. Has been stopped a couple of times by the gardai for going too slow but doesn't seem to phase him.

His cows are avid plane spotters lol

All the livestock around NCD are avid plane spotters

Cattlepen

Base price wrote: »

All the livestock around NCD are avid plane spotters

And very well nourished. It was said that the land in county dublin was so good because “fertiliser”, both human andd animal origin was only drawn out of the city by means of horse and cart journey for centuries I.e very local

Spanish Eyes

Red Cow Farm in Palmerston was another one.

All built on now but the name survives.

NcdJd

Cattlepen wrote: »

And very well nourished. It was said that the land in county dublin was so good because “fertiliser”, both human andd animal origin was only drawn out of the city by means of horse and cart journey for centuries I.e very local

Remember years ago myself and brother planting something for a neighbour. Cant remember what it was but brother driving and I was on the planter.

He always had a couple of acres of celery. Used to also clean out septic tanks on the side. In he wheels and unloads the sh1t all over the celery. Dirty bast@rd. Never done anything for him again.

NcdJd

Base price wrote: »

Ah that was on the South side. On the North side Merville's in Finglas were the main suppliers of milk. They later became Premier Dairies (now part of Glanbia) and that name still supplies milk on supermarket shelves in NCD

That's a good one Base price. When the milkman called to us with milk my father used to say the merville has arrived..

NcdJd

I remember listening to a radio documentary on rte+ one night about a man recalling driving a tractor when he was younger into the Dublin market from i think Ballyboughal or could be further out. He goes on to describe the route he took travelling and named all the farms and farm families enroute. Anyone ever hear this and if so would you have the name of it? I even emailed rte but got no response. Tried searching the archive but I don't know the title of it. Think it was late 60s early 70s the period he described.

Cattlepen

NcdJd wrote: »

I remember listening to a radio documentary on rte+ one night about a man recalling driving a tractor when he was younger into the Dublin market from i think Ballyboughal or could be further out. He goes on to describe the route he took travelling and named all the farms and farm families enroute. Anyone ever hear this and if so would you have the name of it? I even emailed rte but got no response. Tried searching the archive but I don't know the title of it. Think it was late 60s early 70s the period he described.

If you get a link to it please pm it to me. Would love to hear it.
They would draw vegetables in to the market and cowdung as a backload to work into the till. North county men always had the name of hard grafters

NcdJd

Cattlepen wrote: »

If you get a link to it please pm it to me. Would love to hear it.
They would draw vegetables in to the market and cowdung as a backload to work into the till. North county men always had the name of hard grafters

Will do. The way he told it you could nearly picture the journey. I kick myself every time it enters my head as I'd love my father to hear it.

Spanish Eyes

Why the PM?

Just share the info. Thanks all.

Spanish Eyes

NcdJd wrote: »

Will do. The way he told it you could nearly picture the journey. I kick myself every time it enters my head as I'd love my father to hear it.

Great memories of your Dad, same here.

kk.man

Cattlepen wrote: »

The farm your talking about belonged to a man named Dan Cullen. His farm was immaculate and his mf135 was equally immaculate. A decent man he was. I was reared on a dairy farm on the other side of Clondalkin. A lot of the farmers around there had there origins in the inner city and sold “loose” milk to the people of dublin. I used hear my father talking about farms in Crumlin and kimmage. A lifetime and a half ago.

Thanks so much for that. Yes his tractor was perfect. I was always fascinated by the place. I presumed he was a bachelor? The farmyard and some fields are left. He had a large round roof haybarn too.

Birdnuts

Artane school had nearly 400 acres in that area up till the late 40's when it started to be sold of for development over the next 20 years. Some good pics online of the farmyard and a fine herd of Dairy Shorthorns.

Base price

The radio program was on Sunday Miscellany. It was written and read by Richard Barnwall and aired around April 18.

NcdJd

Base price wrote: »

The radio program was on Sunday Miscellany. It was written and read by Richard Barnwall and aired around April 18.

Your an absolute legend base price thanks so much for that. Link below for anyone who wants to hear it. Starts at 35:00. Thought it would be longer but was half awake when listening to it.

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/10861880

coolshannagh28

Barley was grown on farmland at the Collins avenue Drumcondra /N1 road junction in Whitehall up to about 25 years ago.

Buford T. Justice XIX

DCU was built on the site ot the old Albert College, it was the UCD Ag and Vet farm for many years before they bought Lyons Estate near Newcastle.

Iirc, Charlie Haugheys father was the man running the Albert College farm when Charlie was a child?

Edit: Bertie Aherns father, in facta:)

Cattlepen

Base price wrote: »

The radio program was on Sunday Miscellany. It was written and read by Richard Barnwall and aired around April 18.

Thanks so much for that. Just played it for my mother and she was delighted. Her families farm was mentioned as she was from that neck of the woods. Well done

Cattlepen

kk.man wrote: »

Thanks so much for that. Yes his tractor was perfect. I was always fascinated by the place. I presumed he was a bachelor? The farmyard and some fields are left. He had a large round roof haybarn too.

He was a bachelor. He lived with a sister. Nice people

Base price

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

DCU was built on the site ot the old Albert College, it was the UCD Ag and Vet farm for many years before they bought Lyons Estate near Newcastle.

Iirc, Charlie Haugheys father was the man running the Albert College farm when Charlie was a child?

I think it was Bertie Ahearn's father.

forgottenhills

The only places within the confines of the south east Dublin suburbs that I know of where there are still cattle grazing to be seen are on a couple of small fields in front of a period house on Johnstown Road Cabinteely and on the Airfield Estate in Dundrum, which is now only a glorified petting farm really. These last vestiges are somewhat heroic as land is worth millions an acre for development into apartments in these areas. (I'm not considering the greater Tallaght or Clondalkin areas which are West Dublin).

ganmo

forgottenhills wrote: »

The only places within the confines of the south east Dublin suburbs that I know of where there are still cattle grazing to be seen are on a couple of small fields in front of a period house on Johnstown Road Cabinteely and on the Airfield Estate in Dundrum, which is now only a glorified petting farm really. These last vestiges are somewhat heroic as land is worth millions an acre for development into apartments in these areas. (I'm not considering the greater Tallaght or Clondalkin areas which are West Dublin).

Airfield cant be sold or built on as it's a trust. It was set up by 2 sisters.

I can think of another spot where you'll see cattle grazing right beside the M50 and another where used to grow grain but is now in grass for silage which cant be built on because it has a gas main going through it.

kk.man

forgottenhills wrote: »

The only places within the confines of the south east Dublin suburbs that I know of where there are still cattle grazing to be seen are on a couple of small fields in front of a period house on Johnstown Road Cabinteely and on the Airfield Estate in Dundrum, which is now only a glorified petting farm really. These last vestiges are somewhat heroic as land is worth millions an acre for development into apartments in these areas. (I'm not considering the greater Tallaght or Clondalkin areas which are West Dublin).

The cabinteely farm is or was own by a German industrialist. The small industrial premises is behind it and they lived or are living in the period house. I was told what they did once but I forget now.

forgottenhills

ganmo wrote: »

Airfield cant be sold or built on as it's a trust. It was set up by 2 sisters.

I can think of another spot where you'll see cattle grazing right beside the M50 and another where used to grow grain but is now in grass for silage which cant be built on because it has a gas main going through it.

Are these in South East Dublin suburbia though? I was only considering areas to the east of Rathfarnham and bordered by the M50 to the south.

forgottenhills

kk.man wrote: »

The cabinteely farm is or was own by a German industrialist. The small industrial premises is behind it and they lived or are living in the period house. I was told what they did once but I forget now.

You are correct. Google maps show that the house and buildings there are associated with the Holfield light engineering group https://www.htd.ie/.

kk.man

Former Taoiseach Liam Cosgrave place in knocklyon was another just off the firhouse exit. He kept horses but as he got on in years it was rented for hay meadows and cattle grazing. I often saw hay been drawn from it in the late 90s early 2000s by a farmer I'd say from tallaght foothills direction. I haven't been up that road in years so I don't know if it is developed.

NcdJd

Cloghran stud. What's left of it the DAA have it. It's in absolute ****. Would have been the equivelant of Coolmore stud back in the day. Covered well over 1000 acres had 4 main yards, 3 of the yards have still got remnants of the buildings - stables and haysheds.

Absolute disgrace. Very sad that there is no proper history of the place put on paper. You see bloodlines to race horses going back to this stud farm today still from every corner of the globe.

https://youtu.be/4H0JvA3EB5g

ganmo

forgottenhills wrote: »

Are these in South East Dublin suburbia though? I was only considering areas to the east of Rathfarnham and bordered by the M50 to the south.

Where I'm talking about are in rathfarnham...and my address is rathfarnham.

ganmo

kk.man wrote: »

Former Taoiseach Liam Cosgrave place in knocklyon was another just off the firhouse exit. He kept horses but as he got on in years it was rented for hay meadows and cattle grazing. I often saw hay been drawn from it in the late 90s early 2000s by a farmer I'd say from tallaght foothills direction. I haven't been up that road in years so I don't know if it is developed.

Its sold and planning permission is in.
I know the people who had the hay, they wouldn't be too far from nek's friend.

salmocab

Is there still sheep grazing in ballymount? There was until quite recently