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Why are council estates such high crime areas?

  • 15-08-2020 4:04pm
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 140 ✭✭ gailforecast


    If everyone’s the same, why should it make a difference?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭ howamidifferent


    Because people who get stuff for nothing have no appreciation for anything. Those that work hard for their money appreciate everything.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭ smellyoldboot


    Exactly as above. Worse even , not only are the houses largely inhabited by those essentially getting them for free( minimal rent paid from state support) but fraud is absolutely rife. You wouldn't believe the amount of ducking and diving that goes on. It's endemic.

    I'd say it's less a case of "a few bad eggs" and more you might get the odd decent apple from a thoroughly rotten bushel.

    Source : I live in a nearly entirely council owned street.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators Posts: 81,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭ biko


    Some people just don't want to travel for their crimes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭ The Unbearables


    Because people who get stuff for nothing have no appreciation for anything. Those that work hard for their money appreciate everything.

    You pay rent on council houses so bang goes your argument.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,742 ✭✭✭ Padraig Mor


    You pay rent on council houses so bang goes your argument.

    Some people pay rent on council houses. The majority in Dublin are in arrears.


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    Could you post links to those statistics?
    What type of crimes?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭ boombang


    Anybody with money spends it to live in a low crime neighbourhood. The public authorities are soft on crime. If you are poor you have no choice but to stay living in the area with crime.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭ boombang


    You pay rent on council houses so bang goes your argument.

    Social rents are next to nothing compared to private market rents. Everyone knows that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,706 ✭✭✭✭ Richard Hillman


    Crap parents. Low expectations. Poor family role models. Exasperated by having friends who also have crap parents, low expectations and poor family role models.

    It genuinely only takes 1 or 2 houses in an entire estate to bring the whole thing down. Youths do not get punished for crimes anymore, they are sent on "Youth Diversion Schemes", which are absolutely nonsense.

    The problem eventually gets worse as all of the normal kids, finish school get themselves jobs and eventually move out of the estates to a nicer area.

    We don't have a conveyor belt of criminals here like they do in America and now the UK. Its the same people committing the same crimes, in the same places.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭ Jolene Cuddly Tourist


    Because they are populated by the dregs of society.


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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭ Limpy


    Government policy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,871 ✭✭✭ Conall Cernach


    Poverty is one of the major factors in crime. If you're in a council house you are usually in a lower income bracket as are your neighbours. Though in all honesty there are some people I know in social housing who even if they were on 100k per year would probably still be committing crimes and engaging in anti social behaviour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭ James Brown


    Most if not all of you have parents or grandparents came from council housing. Let that sink in my Tory friends.
    Poor people are more likely to commit more blue collar crimes. Its not all for fun. If it was it wouldn't be mostly confined to low/no income neighbourhoods. Arseholes come from every demographic.
    Read up on socio-economics.
    Some pure ignorance on here. Its shameful the 'I'm alright jack go **** yourself' attitude.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭ Montage of Feck


    Obviously it's the lack of state funded moto-x tracks and pony stables.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭ James Brown


    boombang wrote: »
    Social rents are next to nothing compared to private market rents. Everyone knows that.

    Thats great. No point putting poor people in luxury apartments...oh wait...


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,592 ✭✭✭ Tenzor07


    Limpy wrote: »
    Government policy.

    There you have it, the majority of people living in council estates are normal working people... When the council have problem families they will load them into a house in one of the estates they own and it's almost impossible to get them out as the council would have an obligation to house them.
    Problem is then you can get clusters of families who will destroy an entire area with their behavior.

    Councils need a confidential helpline number for complaints about anti-social behavior, drug dealing etc. and a report from the Gardai which would eliminate the councils obligations to house trouble tenants.

    But don't be fooled, plenty of private housing estates have everything from drug dealers, to tax evaders, and financial fraudsters.
    When you see pictures of CAB raiding homes it's usually in nice quiet private estates.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,225 ✭✭✭✭ briany



    It genuinely only takes 1 or 2 houses in an entire estate to bring the whole thing down. Youths do not get punished for crimes anymore, they are sent on "Youth Diversion Schemes", which are absolutely nonsense.

    People like to put the blame on the authorities for youths being let away with crimes. I don't really think it's that much to do with them, in fact. There's been a strong move away from the communal raising of a child over the last 50 years or so. So to illustrate the contrast,

    1950s child is in a neighbours garden messing with their gate and kicking their cat. Neighbour comes out, grabs the child by the ear and marches them down to their parents house and explains what the child was doing. The parents take this at face value and punish the child accordingly.

    2000s child is in a neighbours garden messing with their gate and kicking their cat. Neighbour comes out, grabs the child by the ear and marches them down to their parents house and explains what the child was doing. The parents have barely spoken to this neighbour in the 10 years they've lived on the same street and are horrified that their child has been assaulted by a veritable stranger. Child is comforted while the threat of charges against the neighbour is made.

    The net result is that people are generally afraid to say boo to neighbours kids when they misbehave as it will end much worse for the them than for the kid if they were to clatter the child. That's a change that's been driven by the people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭ OneEightSeven


    Council estates are mostly populated by the stupid, the lazy, the violent, and the uneducated. Poverty in the communities is self-imposed by their own genetics.


  • Registered Users Posts: 41,300 ✭✭✭✭ SEPT 23 1989


    Council estates are mostly populated by the stupid, the lazy, the violent, and the uneducated. Poverty in the communities is self-imposed by their own genetics.

    Im glad those with less than superman grade genetics have somewhere to live

    In another timeline they would be dead

    Thank god we are where we are


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 140 ✭✭ gailforecast


    Bowie wrote: »
    Most if not all of you have parents or grandparents came from council housing. Let that sink in my Tory friends.
    Poor people are more likely to commit more blue collar crimes. Its not all for fun. If it was it wouldn't be mostly confined to low/no income neighbourhoods. Arseholes come from every demographic.
    Read up on socio-economics.
    Some pure ignorance on here. Its shameful the 'I'm alright jack go **** yourself' attitude.

    You get what you put in I’m afraid. Work hard, work smart, and you’ll be rewarded. Sit on the dole, we’ll that’s another story.


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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭ Limpy


    Council estates are mostly populated by the stupid, the lazy, the violent, and the uneducated. Poverty in the communities is self-imposed by their own genetics.

    How did you escape?


  • Registered Users Posts: 41,300 ✭✭✭✭ SEPT 23 1989


    You get what you put in I’m afraid. Work hard, work smart, and you’ll be rewarded. Sit on the dole, we’ll that’s another story.

    Very true

    But what about sickness bereavement depression etc when ones life goes wrong

    Where are those people to go?


  • Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭ Fred Cryton


    If everyone’s the same, why should it make a difference?


    Everyone is not the same, who told you that?



    The crowd around Sheriff Street / North Wall would make a good case study for an anthropologist. They have been inter-breeding for generations. They are pretty much their own distinct ethnic sub-group at this stage. Certain genetic characteristics have been inherited ( low attention span, impulsiveness, lack of discipline, low IQ, aggression)...all of these have a large genetic component.



    It's the lie that "we are all the same" which fools people into thinking these people will change if they're given a chance. They will never change, it's written in their DNA. Dublin has a real problem given their rate of reproduction and the huge concentration in the inner city. Best solution is gentrification and forcing them out through market forces. Break up these failed communities.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,407 ✭✭✭✭ Eric Cartman


    A lack of willingness to engage with gardai, a lack of respect, a lack of personal responsibility . I could go on, its the residents fault and nobody else is to blame, in sure somebody will be along to bang on about if they had a swimming pool but thats absolute crap, its the residents own fault


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 738 ✭✭✭ Maya Tiny Courthouse


    Poverty is one of the major factors in crime. If you're in a council house you are usually in a lower income bracket as are your neighbours. Though in all honesty there are some people I know in social housing who even if they were on 100k per year would probably still be committing crimes and engaging in anti social behaviour.

    Poverty for the most part is a choice in Ireland.

    Also, there is a misconception that council estate = poverty. Many people in these areas have considerably more disposable income than an average earner. They generally don't have costs such as mortgage/rent and childcare, student loans etc. Often they have a second source of income through some kind of undocumented work (varying levels of legality). Others do work and bought their home from the council for a small cost, and are now financially free with a lot of disposable income.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭ completedit


    Just saw a video of that Chinese women being pushed into the canal. A grown up women pushed into a ****ing river by 3 scrotes and then they get a huge laugh from their mates. It's weird actually, you hear one or two of them say 'boys', which effectively is the ones with a bit higher empathy knowing what they've done but their character and role models are so **** that a lame 'boys' is all they can say.


  • Registered Users Posts: 658 ✭✭✭ starbaby2003


    There is a council estate across the road from us and houses go for over 500K. Wouldn’t say people would willingly be paying that to leave in a ‘dump’. It’s like everything, there are scales. Some estates are rough some aren’t. Location has a massive influence on it. The old saying if leaving in the worst house in the best estate can translate to the worst estate in the best area. Kids brought up there see success, they make connections they know things are achievable. Kids brought up in bad areas often don’t get that those opportunities coupled with an address from undesirable area.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭ The Unbearables


    boombang wrote: »
    Social rents are next to nothing compared to private market rents. Everyone knows that.

    Thanks. So we agree.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭ The Unbearables


    Just saw a video of that Chinese women being pushed into the canal. A grown up women pushed into a ****ing river by 3 scrotes and then they get a huge laugh from their mates. It's weird actually, you hear one or two of them say 'boys', which effectively is the ones with a bit higher empathy knowing what they've done but their character and role models are so **** that a lame 'boys' is all they can say.

    And that's got exactly what to do with this thread?


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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭ Limpy


    A lack of willingness to engage with gardai, a lack of respect, a lack of personal responsibility . I could go on, its the residents fault and nobody else is to blame, in sure somebody will be along to bang on about if they had a swimming pool but thats absolute crap, its the residents own fault

    That's bull


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