Is Gortex really the bees knees?

v638sg7k1a92bx

Drives up the price on jackets, gloves etc but are the in house equivalents just as good e.g. Dainese D Dry - will this keep you just as dry?

galwaytt

Goretex is used now like the word 'Hoover' is for vacuum cleaners.

I think other branded alternatives are just as effective. Water resistant I'd call all of them, not water 'proof'.

Sonics2k

Personally I stick with a good padded leather jacket. Had it for years now, wax it once a year to keep it waterproof.

v638sg7k1a92bx

Sonics2k wrote: »

Personally I stick with a good padded leather jacket. Had it for years now, wax it once a year to keep it waterproof.

Does it have any protection?

zubair

If you want proper WP gear that actually works and lasts years GTX is what you need. Own brand WP liners aren't to the same standard and eventually leak. That said, whether GTX is worth it, is more down to how you'll use it.

Also, keep an eye out for deals online, GTX isn't always eye wateringly expensive.

Lyle Lanley

Probably said it here before but my Gore-Tex jacket is almost as old as I am and it's still doesn't let in a drop. Gloves the same. Bought cheaper pants and they leak in the heaviest rain, they're not bad but it's definitely not the same quality

listermint

Are bees knees really the knees...

Jimmy Bottlehead

Goretex are also apparently very fussy about the garments that they allow their name to be used on. So it makes sense they'd be high quality at least, and at best markedly higher quality than competitors.

Dancewithme

Hi am looking for recommendations for jackets that will keep out the rain over winter. Want helly Hansen but can't afford. If anyone has any recommendations that would be appreciated

Denny61

I've a pair of boots I wear on farm for about 8 months of the year .I've them 20 years .ecco boots..goretex leather. So soft. Too .stand up to any thing..so ya Goretex is the bees knees incidentally. They cost 130 euro over 20 years ago .Well worth it

ratracer

Yes it is!
Sheltex or any other patent copy of it is crap in my experience.

Pay decent money once and it pays for itself, otherwise you will be replacing the item and end up paying similar money as you would have anyway.

Denny61

Dancewithme wrote: »

Hi am looking for recommendations for jackets that will keep out the rain over winter. Want helly Hansen but can't afford. If anyone has any recommendations that would be appreciated

.you can't go wrong with regatta .warm and keep out any rain

Skill Magill

Denny61 wrote: »

.you can't go wrong with regatta .warm and keep out any rain

Keeps out any rain if its not raining more like, there's a quantum leap of a difference between this and gortex jackets.
I paid big money probably about 15 years ago for a Dainese Goretex jacket and it would still do good in a heavy shower, it lasted 100% for at least 6 years everyday couriering.

Are you confusing regatta with rukka by any chance?

H_Lime

Being a full blown hydrophobic fair weather fairy I rarely test the gear:pac: but I recently bagged a 2nd hand goretex laminate jacket and tis the bidness. Doesn't get drippy and heavy when wet, water beads off it and it breathes way better, lighter n less bulky too. With a nickwax treatment it actually doesn't get wet, just shake it off lol.

Anyone looking for decent quality 2nd gear on ebay should search for hein gericke goretex, mine is the laminate Pro psx iirc.

GBX

Denny61 wrote: »

.you can't go wrong with regatta .warm and keep out any rain

Maybe over a bike jacket. Won't have any protection in it.

Wonda-Boy

There is a reason it is expensive, it works. Simple.

Not saying that brands own waterproof line doesnt work but I have had Dainese boots with the D Dry or what ever they use and after 3mths leaked. Same with RST boots terrible.

Everything I have for the wet is GTX, if I cant afford the it I wait to buy till I can.

CJhaughey

As I understand it, Goretex garments have to be submitted to Goretex for approval so they can carry the tag.
If a garment doesn't make the grade at Goretex due to manufacturing issues or design it is rejected and has to be resubmitted.
This is largely the reason for the price difference between Gore and other waterproof materials.

Laminates are the best for lightness and waterproofness especially if they have DWR coatings which make the water bead and run off.

I am tempted by the Oxford Mondial Advanced jacket, although not GTX it has very good reviews and isn't super expensive.

Skill Magill

CJ, I was looking at the mondial one myself. Cheapest I found is on sportsbikesshop if you're looking.

https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/433510

H_Lime

Skill Magill wrote: »

CJ, I was looking at the mondial one myself. Cheapest I found is on sportsbikesshop if you're looking.

https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/433510

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/textile-jackets-trousers-suits/oxford-mondial-laminate-jacket-trousers-review
Steve Rose likes it.
I’ve spent most of the winter riding through torrential rain and storms, racking up the miles, wondering if this is the trip when the waterproofing on this well-priced suit will fail. So far it has absolutely and totally failed to let me down. That’s impressive enough, but the fact that it is also warm, comfy and has pockets that are equally waterproof is a real eye-opener about what is possible for less than £500

Richard tea

I picked up Gortex laminate jacket and pants last December. Its a massive difference to the shelltex hein gericke gear I had. the biggest benefit is the water beads off it. It does not soak into the under garment. Although the old gear kept me dry it was still a pain to dry out the outer layer overnight before my commute the next morning. If you are an all season commuter I would definitely recommend the laminate Goretex over the standard Goretex.

PCeeeee

I have Goretex (summer) gloves and boots.

Both have been bone dry since I got them a year ago. The other major adavantage of Goretex (imo) is is more breathable than the alternatives. Neither gloves nor boots are sweaty.

Couldn't afford Goretex Jacket/Pants though when I was buying but I will try to pick them up individually on sale when my current ones wear.

Skill Magill

Richard tea wrote: »

I picked up Gortex laminate jacket and pants last December. Its a massive difference to the shelltex hein gericke gear I had. the biggest benefit is the water beads off it. It does not soak into the under garment. Although the old gear kept me dry it was still a pain to dry out the outer layer overnight before my commute the next morning. If you are an all season commuter I would definitely recommend the laminate Goretex over the standard Goretex.

Which one? Can you link it?

Richard tea

Skill Magill wrote: »

Which one? Can you link it?

https://www.motorcycleshop.ie/richa-atlantic-gore-tex-jacket-black-58330-p.asp they had a sale at the time so I picked up the jacket and pants.

Sonics2k

Ricardo Chilly Self-portrait wrote: »

Does it have any protection?

My one does yeah, it was a Richa one I got absolutely years ago. Easily 17 or so years ago. It's pretty thick and the few small incidents and one serious incident I've had it was absolutely fantastic.

OhToBeByTheSea

I've Held goretex jacket and pants, they were both around €300 each. I've them nearly 5 years and still fully waterproof. I've tried lots of other "waterproof" gear and nothing comes near the goretex.

macplaxton

Goretex is great, but you need to learn how to read the weather too. :P:D

https://twitter.com/SurreyRoadCops/status/1293930503268114432?s=20
https://twitter.com/SurreyRoadCops/status/1294198361873166336?s=20

Wonda-Boy

I have just ordered the RST Laminate Textile suit, should be in for me in 2 weeks. Will let you all know how it fears out....

H_Lime

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

I have just ordered the RST Laminate Textile suit, should be in for me in 2 weeks. Will let you all know how it fears out....

Hope it rains for you! :eek:

Skill Magill

I'll do the same, went for the Dainese Carve master 2

https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/340137

Wonda, do you have a link to the gear you're getting?

IrishGrimReaper

My cousin has the carve master 2 kit and we got caught in a good bit of rain yesterday it's a quality piece of kit for the price.

v638sg7k1a92bx

IrishGrimReaper wrote: »

My cousin has the carve master 2 kit and we got caught in a good bit of rain yesterday it's a quality piece of kit for the price.

Is that an Adventure jacket?

IrishGrimReaper

I don't think it's classed as one. On the road riding it would be perfect, probably too warm for off-road.

listermint

macplaxton wrote: »

Goretex is great, but you need to learn how to read the weather too. :P:D

https://twitter.com/SurreyRoadCops/status/1293930503268114432?s=20
https://twitter.com/SurreyRoadCops/status/1294198361873166336?s=20

Having your pants tucked into your boots Guarantees wet socks on a shower. Your basically funnelling water straight into the boot...

schaffer

The other benefit to Gore-tex is the "lifetime" guarantee that they offer.
However, plenty of caveats for them to get out of this.

1. you need the original receipt
2. "lifetime" is what they decide is reasonable for the item
3. must be the original owner

etc

As the original owner, hold on to your purchase receipt and we’ve got you covered for the useful life of your product.

The decision to repair, replace, refund or reject is made at the discretion of Gore based upon an examination of the products useful life at the time of return. Leakage and performance issues caused by accidents, misuse, normal wear & tear or lack of proper care are excluded but may be repaired at a reasonable price. Be sure to always follow our care instructions and regularly wash, dry and reapply DWR to your product to ensure a longer product life and better performance. GORE-TEX INFINIUM™ products are not covered by this guarantee.

Take a look at the following comparison done by FortNine

Fabio

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

I have just ordered the RST Laminate Textile suit, should be in for me in 2 weeks. Will let you all know how it fears out....

Is it the RST Pathfinder suit? If so, that's the predecessor to the RST Paragon V series. I'm testing the Pathfinder for webbikeworld.com at the moment and, so far, it's been good.

H_Lime

schaffer wrote: »

The other benefit to Gore-tex is the "lifetime" guarantee that they offer.
However, plenty of caveats for them to get out of this.

1. you need the original receipt
2. "lifetime" is what they decide is reasonable for the item
3. must be the original owner

etc



Take a look at the following comparison done by FortNine

Great vid that.

maestroamado

Sonics2k wrote: »

Personally I stick with a good padded leather jacket. Had it for years now, wax it once a year to keep it waterproof.

Can i ask what wax product you use...

H_Lime

Dapper dan pomade!

:pac:

Wonda-Boy

Fabio wrote: »

Is it the RST Pathfinder suit? If so, that's the predecessor to the RST Paragon V series. I'm testing the Pathfinder for webbikeworld.com at the moment and, so far, it's been good.

Yes, its the pathfinder. I have the older Pro Series and I am currently using the Pro Series Adv X suit which is brilliant but just too bulky and heavy to be honest but I really like it.

Need to reduce the layers.

Stiletto72

After trying out all the brands like Shelltex, Hipora and own brand waterproof membranes over the years I found that they will all fail. Some sooner than others.
I bought a pair of HG Gore Tex pants in their shop in Newry about 13 years ago and they are still waterproof. Not just water resistant, no moisture gets through. I've had to replace the armour in them but otherwise they are perfect.

I wouldn't trust anything now except Gore Tex. There are deals out there and you don't need to go for the latest technology. Their older versions are still very good.

Fabio

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Yes, its the pathfinder. I have the older Pro Series and I am currently using the Pro Series Adv X suit which is brilliant but just too bulky and heavy to be honest but I really like it.

Need to reduce the layers.

I have the Pro Series Adv 3 suit as well and it's as heavy as a small car.

Although, if you take out the thermal and waterproof layers, there's so many vents that it feels like a mesh jacket. Great for the sunny days, rare as they are.