Gangland Shootings part 4 - Read OP before posting - updated 30/12/23

Lecter8319

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561070#Comment_121561070

Don't agree, can see the Kinahans going to Russia or Iran if it looks like they'll be extradited back to Ireland, they're a good bit off that at this stage. People with the kind of money and influence in Dubai that the Kinahans have will be informed of whats going to happen well in advance. Thats if they're even there still.

Flashy or whatever people like to call him is the one on borrowed time, when he's no more use to the gards, its bye bye time.

Cheddar Bob

I've always wondered why the Gardai dont use the roadside drug testing as a way to harass these lads.

Most of them would permanently have a readable measure of cannabis in their system.

Most of them would likely swab a positive cocaine reading on a Saturday Sunday or Monday morning- FFS some of them are sniffing away as I type at 1pm on a Tuesday.

Positive test= insurance costing god knows how much for a 22 year old already paying about 3k, plus a driving ban.

They'll probably ignore the ban meaning the guards can keep catching them, convicted, keep getting sent away for 6 weeks (although with prisons at the capacity they are now I'd imagine a lot of 3 month sentences are going the way of the old TV licence sentence, a few hours in the Mountjoy Training Unit and home you go)

But in normal times before the recent capacity surge, being sent away for 6 weeks multiple times a year would piss them off a bit.

evolvingtipperary101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561231#Comment_121561231

Yeah, The Ks are getting plenty of time to relocate. Some people are already saying they're in Qatar. The old man must have info to share around Interpol, CIA, and whoever else wants it. Funny that they're the only ones of the their big european partners who weren't picked up. Some people are saying one of the sons might be a trade off for his freedom, that's if the sons don't shop Dad off first.

Flashy is low hanging fruit. He's buying watches and jackets. While the real OCG are laundering their money into gold in Africa and other places.

I often wondered why some of the bigger gangs didn't take care of some of these lower gangs like the Hennesseys creating so many issues and heat around the town. Public uproar leads to more scrutiny but I guess it takes the heat off what their doing internationally ultimately. They're probably setting things up and lighting fires between them to keep it going.

mikewebber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561231#Comment_121561231

Not sure there's a hiding place when the political pressure comes on

They'll just get thrown under the bus by any of the powers

orangerhyme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561231#Comment_121561231

Is there actually evidence to convict them of anything?

Maybe there's encrochat evidence.

Cheddar Bob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561345#Comment_121561345

The threshold for proof in Ireland is much higher than in England when it comes to drug conspiracy.

Read the English meda, you'll regularly see stories like "gang who flooded Coventry with £25m of drugs over 4 years jailed for up to 23 years" (*in reality UK sentences are half served as opposed to here a quarter, although they can hold you longer if a CAB assesment is made against you and you try and evade paying)

Over here the amount of mid to high level men convicted of drug offences in the last 30 years could be counted on your hands and toes.

There's been several high ranking lads in Limerick caught in actual posession of large hauls for some strange reason. Everyone in Dublin gets young lads or indebted addicts to manage transport and stash houses.

Lecter8319

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561345#Comment_121561345

A file has been sent to the DPP and they're waiting to hear back. But she's happy to send anybody for trial these days so I dont see it being much of an issue. Look at the shitshow that was the regency trial, Gerry Hutch should never have been sent forward for a murder trial, farcical. He should have applied for bail at the time as he'd be able to take a case against the state now if he did.

Lecter8319

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561324#Comment_121561324

Theres still plenty of hiding places from the west & the states, Russia, Iran, & a number of African countries just to name a few are more than happy to tell the states where to go...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561345#Comment_121561345

Ah there is evidence for sure. Id imagine the informing and back stabbing is in overdrive at the moment. They will turn a major player soon enough. Will Byrne or Bomber be willing to do 10+ years after the life they had become accustomed to? Maybe they will if there families are being threatened. Plent of other smaller players with info that could turn too. Olenty of lads burned by the Kinahans to save their own skin.

There is zero chance of the yanks coming out with the rewards and posters like they did if they didnt have solid intel. Why would they get involved otherwise.

mikewebber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561345#Comment_121561345

The US when they got el Chapo they tried him on every kind of charge

"drug trafficking with intent to distribute, conspiracy association, organized crime against health, money laundering, homicide, illegal possession of firearms"

Cheddar Bob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561407#Comment_121561407

To this day it still amazes me that DK wouldn't have a care in the world today only he thumbed his nose at both Irish and US/ UK authority by attempting to become a big player in boxing. He would be able to freely move in and out of Dubai, perhaps even the EU, there might not even be a case to answer here given how high a threshold we maintain for drug/ murder conspiracy and directing OC charges to stick.

The MGM MTK stuff was tolerated, they were mid level boxers. It was his grandstanding in setting up what would have been one of the biggest, perhaps the biggest, bout in history that had the establishment decide that they had enough of this lad taking the piss.

Christy Sr must be livid.

Popuptent

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561560#Comment_121561560

if the russian connection is proved to be true meens the k family are in deep trouble with the usa

evolvingtipperary101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561862#Comment_121561862

Christy didn’t learn Russian for nothing

portlaoisepal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561862#Comment_121561862

Couldn't be in any deeper **** than they are already in Us

portlaoisepal

3 Rolex watches...can he even read the time?

tabby aspreme

How much would it cost for the Kinehans to live safely in Russia, I'd reckon their money would run out fairly quickly as they would be tapped by government, police and the military on a regular basis

Cheddar Bob

Was reading a case in the Indo there of a lad in Clondalkin, threw 750 worth of weed out his bedroom window during a raid and copped a 300 euro fine. How that isn't a conviction for supply I don't know. With sentences like that and not even "supply" attatched to their record it's no wonder so many dealers feel they have carte blanche to meet complete strangers off Snapchat and Telegram, it's actually quite hard to get jailed for dealing these days.

ghostfacekilla

The mind automatically assumes they'll head directly to America's biggest enemies whose leadership is not in huge danger of changing anytime soon, however many of those countries would be happy to take in the likes of Edward Snowden as a two fingers up to the yanks, but would not entertain the idea of giving refuge to some of the world's biggest narco traffickers. This wouldn't be a people pleaser on home turf, no matter how you spin it. I'd say Russia and Iran would decline, and Kinahan money is small change to them. I would take a punt that they'll consider Lebanon, where Mink Kok was based or Morocco under the protection of Taghi's crew there. Neither countries have extradition treaties with the U.S. afaik.

Noseygit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121560741#Comment_121560741

Every business can take cash once they can put an invoice against it. The business does not need proof where the money came from.

orangerhyme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562114#Comment_121562114

I don't understand the fascination with Rolexs and bling.

I'd put my effort into laundering the money first, then invest it properly.

Then spend the money on living a good life. They do it arseways.

Noseygit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561560#Comment_121561560

If Daniel stuck to the deal he agreed with GH in May 2015 he would still be at the forefront of boxing

Cheddar Bob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562519#Comment_121562519

Exactly.

The people of Russia might be averagely to poor financially but their government isn't desperately in need of 200 million quid like the likes of Zimbabwe or Haiti would be begging for.

While you might argue Putin doesn't care much what any Russian thinks of him (and he has strong support for having pulled them out of the disastrous 90s) the Russian government entertaining the presence of international drug traffickers in a country rampant with heroin abuse and the associated crime addicts commit is not the look he would be seeking.

Cheddar Bob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562534#Comment_121562534

Here's a funny little fact.

You could argue there were two seminal events that rocked the status quo when it came to Irish organised crime and its tolerance by the Irish state.

The murder of Veronica Guerin, and the Regency attack and the revenge attacks that followed (plus David Byrne's ostentatious funeral)

In the first few minutes of the Veronica Guerin film, if you keep an eye on the background graffiti on the block of flats she enters you can see no other than Gary Hutch has written his name on the wall at some point previously, probably a good 20 years prior to all the madness kicking off when he was little more than a wee bollix shoplifting, stealing cars and selling 10 spots. A film about the first seminal event in Irish gangland and there's an unintended artistic cameo by the man whose actions would kick off the second one.

Mad oul six degrees of separation

40supple

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561074#Comment_121561074

Spending €800 on a belt and buying 3 Rolex watches is not laundering money, that’s spending cash.

If he sold the belt and watches, got receipts and lodged the money, that’d be laundering money

converting dirty untraceable cash to clean traceable cash is how cash is laundered

ghostfacekilla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562538#Comment_121562538

The other massively underestimated factor will be the WAGs. Dubai? Doable. Moscow? Doable at a stretch. Tehran? Not a hope. Beirut or North Africa, struggle street. The next move could see their significant others moving back to Europe and that would create considerable problems.

Lecter8319

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562613#Comment_121562613

I have a feeling that the wags will do what their told, not the other way around, they could easily find themselves in a bit of bother if they came back to Europe. Added to this, I dont think you start making demands to your international drug trafficker partner.

Cheddar Bob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562613#Comment_121562613

Iran is another country with a heroin problem. Not a hope they're staying. An absolutely skint dictatorship is their only refuge, and nobody wants to live in one of those.

orangerhyme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562575#Comment_121562575

I know. That's what I meant.

All the tags were still on the items, so maybe the plan was to sell them on again for bitcoin maybe.

I'm not sure. It's not the worst way to launder money.

orangerhyme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562571#Comment_121562571

Well spotted.

I wonder were those flats in Sheriff Street area.

The film was released in 2003.

Gary Hutch was 34 when he was killed in 2015, so was approximately 22 in 2003.

The paint looks fresh enough so he probably wasn't that young.

Justanoseygit

Is Saudi Arabia an option for the K’s?

I find it hard to see past the fact that most of the big fights these days are there, and as much as it’s probably as much to do with Fury and his gang, being barred from the US, it wouldn’t surprise me if ‘Oor Daniel’, is still pulling strings from behind the many puppets that were more than willing to do his bidding before the Yanks got involved.

It’s hard to see him relinquishing the reigns to Fury, Taylor, Crawford, etc without much of a fight, no matter what everyone else seems to think.