Explosive device thrown at US courthouse

Sweetemotion

Anarchist Agard-Berry appeared in court today for federal arson.


https://twitter.com/USAO_OR/status/1289327782309384193




18 years of age, facing minimum of 5 years in a federal. This young guy ruined his for what?





Mod
Thread title edited. This thread is not Antifa 2.0 and it will be closed if it heads down that route

Sweetemotion

The burning of books has also begun again.

https://twitter.com/DGPurser/status/1289582769182408704

JasonStatham

Ah America ok. I'm in Ireland.

Birneybau

Move along people, definitely no ulterior motives here.

James Brown

Sweetemotion wrote: »

The burning of books has also begun again.

https://twitter.com/DGPurser/status/1289582769182408704

Don seems unstable.

Sweetemotion

Bowie wrote: »

Don seems unstable.

I'm not sure if we can discuss peoples mental health or just some peoples mental health or if it's only certain posters are allowed to discuss peoples mental health.

TheValeyard

Thats a bomb

Sweetemotion

TheValeyard wrote: »

Thats a bomb

Peaceful bomb.

Danzy

Anarchists today, psycho angry priests in the 50s here, fascists in the 30s, bolsheviks in the teens.

Similar type of bollox and they are always middle class activists looking for a why

James Brown

Sweetemotion wrote: »

I'm not sure if we can discuss peoples mental health or just some peoples mental health or if it's only certain posters are allowed to discuss peoples mental health.

No idea about his mental health if he has a problem I apologise.
From his tweet alone he seems to be very right wing and religious. A very dangerous cocktail. That is my point. Also hes looking to stir something up.
He seems unstable.

Were the people burning books with mental health issues? Maybe the thread should be closed?

Sweetemotion

Bowie wrote: »

No idea about his mental health if he has a problem I apologise.
From his tweet alone he seems to be very right wing and religious. A very unstable cocktail. That is my point. Also hes looking to stir something up.
He seems unstable.

Were the people burning books with mental health issues? Maybe the thread should be closed?

Touche, I tip my hat.


Same could be said for the Trump thread. Gemma thread and the Tommy Robinson thread.

James Brown

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Touche, I tip my hat.


Same could be said for the Trump thread. Gemma thread and the Tommy Robinson thread.

Exactly. Unstable is how the tweet made Don seem. You suggested it was making light of mental health. Very SJW.

ExMachina1000

https://twitter.com/antifastats/status/1289168621097418757?s=20

Could be facing life in prison.

Sweetemotion

Bowie wrote: »

Exactly. Unstable is how the tweet made Don seem. You suggested it was making light if mental health. Very SJW.

I don't care about Don forget Don, it was the video that concerned me.


https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1289621920292380672


Burning of books should never be acceptable.

kildare lad

Here's a clip of antifa/ BLM getting ready to attack police , all premeditated btw

https://youtu.be/UL1pdPezm54

Sweetemotion

That's a very limited thread title change.

James Brown

Sweetemotion wrote: »

I don't care about Don forget Don, it was the video that concerned me.


https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1289621920292380672


Burning of books should never be acceptable.

It's the taring with the same brush I don't like. Right wing militia tripping over themselves to make the states a right versus left battle ground. Dangerous people looking to use either side as an excuse to cause trouble.
The Trump administration has a lot of responsibility for feeding this.
Some twats allegedly burning the bible are just that, not a movement. I had a ****ing idiot on facebook send me a video of some immigrants in France breaking a shop window. "France has fallen!" It was titled. Lots of dangerous loons looking to stir up sonething.

James Brown

kildare lad wrote: »

Here's a clip of antifa/ BLM getting ready to attack police , all premeditated btw

https://youtu.be/UL1pdPezm54

No it's not.
BLM is a call to recognise the plight of black people.
You're posting nonsense.

Overheal

Explosive thrown; perp caught, facing justice. /thread.

Sweetemotion

Overheal wrote: »

Explosive thrown; perp caught, facing justice. /thread.

Exactly why the thread title was changed.

Gatling

I hear the weather in Cuba is lovely

Sweetemotion

Gatling wrote: »

I hear the weather in Cuba is lovely

And the octopus.

Sweetemotion

Bowie wrote: »

It's the taring with the same brush I don't like. Right wing militia tripping over themselves to make the states a right versus left battle ground. Dangerous people looking to use either side as an excuse to cause trouble.
The Trump administration has a lot of responsibility for feeding this.
Some twats allegedly burning the bible are just that, not a movement. I had a ****ing idiot on facebook send me a video of some immigrants in France breaking a shop window. "France has fallen!" It was titled. Lots of dangerous loons looking to stir up sonething.

The Trump administration is just over 3 years.

Overheal

Bowie wrote: »

It's the taring with the same brush I don't like. Right wing militia tripping over themselves to make the states a right versus left battle ground. Dangerous people looking to use either side as an excuse to cause trouble.
The Trump administration has a lot of responsibility for feeding this.
Some twats allegedly burning the bible are just that, not a movement. I had a ****ing idiot on facebook send me a video of some immigrants in France breaking a shop window. "France has fallen!" It was titled. Lots of dangerous loons looking to stir up sonething.

Bingo.

It’s a free country if you want to burn a flag or a book you own, that’s your first amendment right.

Acting as though this is akin to the totalitarian practice of book burning is silly; it’s not like the Bible is being banned or going out of print or being pulled from library shelves. Burning your own bible is like burning your own Nike shoes or throwing away your own Keurig. People also buy and burn copies of the Quran.

Sweetemotion

Overheal wrote: »

Bingo.

It’s a free country if you want to burn a flag or a book you own, that’s your first amendment right.

Acting as though this is akin to the totalitarian practice of book burning is silly; it’s not like the Bible is being banned or going out of print or being pulled from library shelves. Burning your own bible is like burning your own Nike shoes or throwing away your own Keurig. People also buy and burn copies of the Quran.

How about burning a cross you own?

Burning an efigy you made?

Overheal

Sweetemotion wrote: »

How about burning a cross you own?

Depends on the particulars. Same with burning of books etc. - Dove World Outreach planned a Quran burning in front of a mosque, it was original breach of peace charges but then expunged

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dove_World_Outreach_Center_Quran-burning_controversy

2003 Virginia v Black visited the law in Virginia which had said cross burning was prima facie evidence of intent to intimidate. The SCOTUS struck down the provision of the law, prosectors must prove on a per case basis there is an intent to intimidate. Historically in the US cross burnings we’re done on mountainsides etc. with high visibility for tens of miles, chiefly with the intent to intimidate the minority populace; in some recent cases crosses have been left burning on people’s yards and those have been, as you would expect, regarded as hate crimes and the perpetrator (in that case their neighbor across the street) is being prosecuted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_v._Black

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-teen-led-a-black-lives-matter-protest-in-his-small-town-a-cross-was-burned-in-his-yard/2020/07/15/6ea6e3d2-c1ef-11ea-b178-bb7b05b94af1_story.html

Effigies of Presidents have been burned as well and those are not unlawful displays. Though you might get a dossier compiled on you by the secret service for obvious national security reasons. Very much again depends on the particulars: leave one hanging on a college campus and that will be viewed as intent to intimidate, hang one in your own yard I believe that’s a matter of speech. I haven’t poured through all the effigy cases but there’s no blanket ban on the practice.

[url] https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/335915-conservatives-forget-history-with-trump-effigy-outrage[/url]

Sweetemotion

Overheal wrote: »

Depends on the particulars. Same with burning of books etc. - Dove World Outreach planned a Quran burning in front of a mosque, it was original breach of peace charges but then expunged

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dove_World_Outreach_Center_Quran-burning_controversy

2003 Virginia v Black visited the law in Virginia which had said cross burning was prima facie evidence of intent to intimidate. The SCOTUS struck down the provision of the law, prosectors must prove on a per case basis there is an intent to intimidate. Historically in the US cross burnings we’re done on mountainsides etc. with high visibility for tens of miles, chiefly with the intent to intimidate the minority populace; in some recent cases crosses have been left burning on people’s yards and those have been, as you would expect, regarded as hate crimes and the perpetrator (in that case their neighbor across the street) is being prosecuted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_v._Black

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-teen-led-a-black-lives-matter-protest-in-his-small-town-a-cross-was-burned-in-his-yard/2020/07/15/6ea6e3d2-c1ef-11ea-b178-bb7b05b94af1_story.html

Effigies of Presidents have been burned as well and those are not unlawful displays. Though you might get a dossier compiled on you by the secret service for obvious national security reasons.

First amendment rights for me not for thee?

Overheal

Sweetemotion wrote: »

First amendment rights for me not for thee?

I’m not sure I understand who the me and the thee are which you are referring to here.

Junkyard Tom

kildare lad wrote: »

Here's a clip of antifa/ BLM getting ready to attack police , all premeditated btw

https://youtu.be/UL1pdPezm54

I feel bad for those cops being made risk their health to protect a stupid statue. I don't know what the statue is of, they could be KKK protesters trying to destroy a statue of MLK Jnr, for all I care, the cops shouldn't have been tasked to the job. Whoever gave that order should be fired and blacklisted.

Overheal

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I feel bad for those cops being made risk their health to protect a stupid statue. I don't know what the statue is of, they could be KKK protesters trying to destroy a statue of MLK Jnr, for all I care, the cops shouldn't have been tasked to the job. Whoever gave that order should be fired and blacklisted.

CREW has an FOIA lawsuit ongoing to find out why Trump sent feds to secure his hotel but not other federal property - including statues.

Sweetemotion

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I feel bad for those cops being made risk their health to protect a stupid statue. I don't know what the statue is of, they could be KKK protesters trying to destroy a statue of MLK Jnr, for all I care, the cops shouldn't have been tasked to the job. Whoever gave that order should be fired and blacklisted.

You know it's not a statue MLK and the protestors are not KKK.

Who ever the orders to protect BLM graffiti should also be blacklisted.

Overheal

Sweetemotion wrote: »

You know it's not a statue MLK and the protestors are not KKK.

Who ever the orders to protect BLM graffiti should also be blacklisted.

What graffiti are you referring to?

Nobody is ordering a defense of courthouse graffiti; “Black Lives Matter” murals on roads in Chicago, DC, etc. are done by lawful permit.

ILoveYourVibes

It was only a matter of time before this happened. Reminds me of NI....

Overheal

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

It was only a matter of time before this happened. Reminds me of NI....

Throwing a firebomb over the fence at a vacant* section of the courthouse wall is not exactly Bloody Sunday, let's be honest. He's still facing charges and rightly so.

*I'm not aware of any injuries?

ILoveYourVibes

Overheal wrote: »

Throwing a firebomb over the fence at a vacant* section of the courthouse wall is not exactly Bloody Sunday, let's be honest. He's still facing charges and rightly so.

*I'm not aware of any injuries?

Everyone has to start somewhere. The IRA faced charges too....

Overheal

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Everyone has to start somewhere. The IRA faced charges too....

We've seen and will see domestic organized terror but I don't think this exactly fits that bill, this firebomb was neither the Weathermen or the Boogaloo. But I'll let the courts mete it out.

*follows thread for tomorrow*

James Brown

Sweetemotion wrote: »

The Trump administration is just over 3 years.

How long has it been since hating anti fascism was this big a thing?
With all the talk of the left taking over and violence, Trump actual supports such from the right. Don't here Biden ir Obama talking like that.

Junkyard Tom

Sweetemotion wrote: »

You know it's not a statue MLK and the protestors are not KKK.

Yeah but it doesn't matter. Cops shouldn't have to protect statues from rioters.

Edit: Just saw it was a Christopher Columbus statue.. yeah who gives a shit? Columbus was a murderous colonist. Fuck the statue.

da_miser

The population are 5% are left wing , 5% are right wing
90% are the middle
These left wing loons have pushed the 90% middle towards the right,.
Bet every penny you have on Trump winning!

2u2me

Sweetemotion wrote: »

The burning of books has also begun again.

There must be an ideology driving these people. Especially coming from Portland. There once was an ideoloy driving the terrorist network Al-Qaeda(There are over 30 threads of discussion about them on boards).

They consisted of cells so they weren't all caught when one was caught; plausible deniability.

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Just one thing to remember. Al Qaeda isn't a terrorist organisation like the IRA/ETA

It's more of an ideology. You'll notice every attack committed in the name of militant islam is attributed to Al Qaeda even if there's no connection to Bin Laden/Al Zawihiri

Great book by Jason Burke called Al-Qaeda if you're interested in finding out more

"Al-Qaeda'-Jason Burke

In Arabic, the term "Al-Qaeda" is an abstract noun meaning resource, network or base. In the West, it symbolizes a great threat to global security. Though its Afghan training camps have now been reduced to dust, no one believes that al-Qaeda was destroyed with them. But what is al-Qaeda? Is it a disciplined, motivated, structured terrorist organization led by a single criminal mastermind or no more than an idea, a language in which angry young Muslim men can articulate their rage? Bin Laden's aim to provoke conflict between militant Islam and the West appears closer to fulfilment than ever. But is al-Qaeda the catalyst of this conflict, or merely a symbol of it? This is an investigation of the al-Qaeda phenomenon by a recognized expert on the subject.

In this book Burke eloquently and eruditely dismantles the idea that al-Qaeda is an organisation with a clear hierarchy with Don bin Laden as the head of the five families.

The same thing driving these leaderless groups of today; ideology. No more than an idea, a language in which angry young Muslim men people can articulate their rage.

James Brown

2u2me wrote: »

There must be an ideology driving these people. Especially coming from Portland. There once was an ideoloy driving the terrorist network Al-Qaeda(There are over 30 threads of discussion about them on boards).

They consisted of cells so they weren't all caught when one was caught; plausible deniability.



"Al-Qaeda'-Jason Burke


In this book Burke eloquently and eruditely dismantles the idea that al-Qaeda is an organisation with a clear hierarchy with Don bin Laden as the head of the five families.

The same thing driving these leaderless groups of today; ideology. No more than an idea, a language in which angry young Muslim men people can articulate their rage.

The CIA funded and trained Al Qaeda?
Is there videos showing the burning of the bible being promoted or bragged about by any group? Or is it just right wing types pushing it for propaganda?
Seems to me minorities start speaking out around the time the far right start putting on the tin foil hats.

James Brown

Did a little digging. The bible burning video was filmed and posted by a Russian government funded news agency. Maybe that's why Don has no link.
He's also retweeted a Ukrainian video of a dude knocking another chap out claiming it's antifa.
If the right did their homework they'd find much of their click bait rage stories come from the Chinese government backed Epoch times and the like. All pushing division in the U.S. cop on lads you are dancing to someone else's tune and it's not pro American.

Overheal

da_miser wrote: »

The population are 5% are left wing , 5% are right wing
90% are the middle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tzfl1wTemM

2u2me

Bowie wrote: »

The CIA funded and trained Al Qaeda?

They funded and trained Bin Laden, I'm sure some of his cohorts too.

Al Qaeda was much bigger than a single cell as outlined previous in Burke's book.

You'll notice every attack committed in the name of militant islam is attributed to Al Qaeda even if there's no connection to Bin Laden/Al Zawihiri

Many recent leaderless, ideological organizations have adopted this network style approach also. When they get caught they don't implicate their comrades.

Overheal

Did Al Qaeda firebomb the Portland federal courthouse?

James Brown

KillAllBoomers wrote: »

You serious? Al Qaeda started as British-trained anti-Ottoman resistance during World War 1. They used hit and run tactics to bomb supply lines and disrupt the Ottoman occupation of the Arabian peninsula. They ....

I didn't say the CIA founded them.

James Brown

Overheal wrote: »

Did Al Qaeda firebomb the Portland federal courthouse?

Links between far right and fascism is fairytale stuff...but protesters are all antifa and antifa are like al Qaeda.....or something....
The U S. far right are being led a merry dance by Russia and China IMO.

kildare lad

Bowie wrote: »

No it's not.
BLM is a call to recognise the plight of black people.
You're posting nonsense.

I'm posting nonsense , the people who were carrying the BLM signs broke away put on masks and attacked the police guarding a statue in Chicago. If they really wanted to help blacks lives in Chicago go and protest all the black men shooting each other there . This is just the weekend there. 9 year old boy killed aswell . Any statement from BLM over it ??? Do you honestly think that taking down statues is gonna stop blacks being killed ??

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-gun-violence-6-dead-at-least-13-wounded-in-weekend-shootings-across-city/2315308/

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/my-one-and-only-child-chicago-mother-mourns-loss-of-boy-9-killed-in-shooting/2315442/

Eduard Khil

Rent a mob has existed ad nauseam

James Brown

kildare lad wrote: »

I'm posting nonsense , the people who were carrying the BLM signs broke away put on masks and attacked the police guarding a statue in Chicago. If they really wanted to help blacks lives in Chicago go and protest all the black men shooting each other there . This is just the weekend there. 9 year old boy killed aswell . Any statement from BLM over it ??? Do you honestly think that taking down statues is gonna stop blacks being killed ??

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-gun-violence-6-dead-at-least-13-wounded-in-weekend-shootings-across-city/2315308/

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/my-one-and-only-child-chicago-mother-mourns-loss-of-boy-9-killed-in-shooting/2315442/

You got it. Your other post referenced the BLM movement. Are the lads ran protestors over in cars typical Republicans?

Thread title needs citmrrectung, 'firework' thrown at courthouse.