Death of English policeman - PC Andrew Harper

LuasSimon

PC Andrew Harper was killed as he tried to stop burglars robbing a quadbike in England last year, today 3 travellers were found not guilty of murder but convicted of manslaughter and will be sentenced next week. Shocking crime causing a lot of anger especially the laughing and joking of the convicted in court.The police had to provide police protection to the jury to prevent intimidation from the accused familys .

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-53526636

Three teenagers have been convicted of the manslaughter of PC Andrew Harper, who died after being dragged along a road by a car.

PC Harper suffered catastrophic fatal injuries when his ankles got caught in a strap trailing behind a vehicle driven by Henry Long in August 2019.

Long, 19, had earlier admitted manslaughter but was cleared of murder.

Albert Bowers and Jessie Cole, both 18, were cleared of murder but found guilty at the Old Bailey of manslaughter.

Ekerot

Cretins

Slim Charles

I remember thinking they'll most likely get off for this at the time, whats the max for manslaughter, they deserve each and every second of it.

Newbie20

You should immediately have 10 years added to your sentence if you smirk / laugh in court in a situation like this or for interference of the jury. The dirty scumbags.

Slim Charles

Slim Charles wrote: »

I remember thinking they'll most likely get off for this at the time, whats the max for manslaughter, they deserve each and every second of it.

The maximum sentence is life.

Rodney Bathgate

Scum

Slim Charles

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The maximum sentence is life.

Good. Shame 10 years with 6 served is coming up.

Spanish Eyes

Ethnic brethren again. Oh dear.

Deepest sympathy to the family of the deceased police officer. And he was only married a month.

Jane98

They all left school at age 11/12 without even achieving the basic ability to read or write.
And we have the likes of Pavee Point saying Travellers are discriminated against when they go looking for a job. Who would seriously employ someone that cannot even read or write. They make themselves unemployable by their own doing.

Lucy8080

You can only hope he had been knocked unconscious immediately and never recovered it at any stage . It was awful to read the report into his death.Horrific for his poor wife and loved ones to know how he died. .

Atlantic Dawn

Jane98 wrote: »

They all left school at age 11/12 without even achieving the basic ability to read or write.
And we have the likes of Pavee Point saying Travellers are discriminated against when they go looking for a job. Who would seriously employ someone that cannot even read or write. They make themselves unemployable by their own doing.

Why were their parents not locked up or their benefits reduced to bread and water?

Rikand

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Why were their parents not locked up or their benefits reduced to bread and water?

Because we live in a "civilised" society

LuasSimon

It seems Ireland isn't the only country with Traveller crime , many Irish in the UK are given a bad name due to actions of Irish travellers over there. Most English wouldn't be able to distinguish between the accents of Irish Travellers on the rob or honest irish people working in their locality.

dhaughton99

The photos of them laughing says it all.

https://news.sky.com/story/pc-harper-killing-three-teens-found-guilty-of-manslaughter-12035300

expectationlost

was it the jury that decided manslaughter vs murder or were they directed by the judge to do so?

Absolute Zero

Edgware wrote: »

They wont be laughing when bunged into a cell with "no lube" Bubba

Do you think prison is just one big rape fest... they'll be well protected as there will be other travellers in there also. They're known to be particularly blood thirsty in prison and slashing other prisoners is a common theme amongst travellers locked up.

It's a laugh to that crowd and the same in Ireland. They're running wild now because it's way-cist to do anything against them.

AlekSmart

Rikand wrote: »

Because we live in a "civilised" society

Civilised is a definition open to interpretation,and,as can be seen in the trial transcripts largely depending upon the skills of a good defence lawyer.

It is highly unlikely that any of these young convicts will derive any benefit from the many asistance programmes and support schemes which will be made available to them during their sentences,indeed it is far more likely that these individuals will use the time to improve and extend their now proven expertise in violence and mayhem.

The State's duty of care to Police Officer Harper,officially ended as soon as he was pronounced life- extinct.

His next-of-kin and extended family do not possess any particular standing,but the convicts are now the FULL responsibility of the same State which employed Constable Harper to protect it (and the convicts).

Those of us,who encounter and follow incidences of this type of savagery in our socities,can only hope that it never visits our own doorstep,as the State will NOT actively provide protection for it's law abiding citizens to the same level as it protects it's miscreants and provenly violent criminally minded.

That's life,as we appear to accept it

StackSteevens

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Ethnic brethren again. Oh dear.

Deepest sympathy to the family of the deceased police officer. And he was only married a month.

Why did this post receive a yellow card?

Abel Ruiz

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Ethnic brethren again. Oh dear.

Deepest sympathy to the family of the deceased police officer. And he was only married a month.

A yellow card for this....
Shame on boards. Shame. Shame. Shame.
The truth isn't allowed here

StackSteevens

expectationlost wrote: »

was it the jury that decided manslaughter vs murder or were they directed by the judge to do so?

The clincher appears to have been that it couldn't be proved to the jury's satisfaction that the scum were aware that they were dragging a living human being behind their car for over a mile before they were stopped.


Some smug free legal aid barrister did a fine job for his sub-human clients and is entitled to feel immensely proud of his efforts.

KaneToad

Manslaughter was the only option, if the jury believed that they didn't set out to kill him (which they obviously did). The behaviour in court hearings was deplorable but has no bearing on the verdict.

I wish karma was a real thing...

Heckler

A horrific way to die. His poor wife. A bullet in the head would be a waste of lead on these pricks. Just drown the rats.

SCOOP 64

"If I was aware, I would have stopped the vehicle, tried to save him."
Surely the jury didn't believe this for a second.

Be right back

StackSteevens wrote: »

The clincher appears to have been that it couldn't be proved to the jury's satisfaction that the scum were aware that they were dragging a living human being behind their car for over a mile before they were stopped.


Some smug free legal aid barrister did a fine job for his sub-human clients and is entitled to feel immensely proud of his efforts.

And played down the fact that a member of the public came into the court and began pointing at jury members. It says a lot that the jury were identified by number only.

punisher5112

Shocking stuff, really is, never even heard this happened.

Manslaughter.... What a joke, in the USA even though it's so fcuked up they would see minimum 30 years for this....

Bobtheman

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Why were their parents not locked up or their benefits reduced to bread and water?

This is OTT. I don't condone their actions . Most of you had the benefit of educated parents. If you had properly funded social services you'd have educated these boys.

punisher5112

Bobtheman wrote: »

This is OTT. I don't condone their actions . Most of you had the benefit of educated parents. If you had properly funded social services you'd have educated these boys.

They get handed more opportunities then most but take to crime better as it's more lucrative and why work when you can get it all for free.

JaCrispy

Bobtheman wrote: »

If you had properly funded social services you'd have educated these boys.

Yes of course. Blame the system for them slaying down an innocent man.

Bobtheman wrote: »

Most of you had the benefit of educated parents.

At least we can agree that genetics plays a key role in this.

Darc19

Someday, some government must classify travvelers as a criminal group and end this "ethnic" bullsh1t and give them the same rules and regulations as normal society.

Their ethnicity has zero benefits to society.

Then the minority that are decent will have nothing to fear and get assistance to integrate into society (as many have done over the years) and those that continue marauding the countryside committing crimes and harassing elderly people in their homes are treated like the criminals that they are.

But this protectionism has to end.

Charles Babbage

KaneToad wrote: »

Manslaughter was the only option, if the jury believed that they didn't set out to kill him (which they obviously did). The behaviour in court hearings was deplorable but has no bearing on the verdict.

Correct. However, the range of sentence of manslaughter varies and for justice to be served in this case the judge needs to take into account that this was not a once off event that went wrong, but part of a continued pattern of criminal behaviour.

SEPT 23 1989

Another day another absolute disgrace

What's the point of them?

StackSteevens

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Another day another absolute disgrace What's the point of them?

Go easy now, or you may well end up with a yellow card for your trouble.

Great people each and every one of them.

Heckler

Pádraig Nally set a good judicial precedent. I've dealt with them over the years. Scum.

AllForIt

I was reading this 'brainstorm' article this morning and can't help but pair it with this sickening crime.

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2018/0404/952162-heres-what-criminologists-make-of-the-young-offenders/

You see, knackers behave like knackers because of prejudice and inequality. It is not the knackers that are at fault- it is YOU with your stable job and your privileged leisure activities that go with it.

So, next time you get ready to go on of your privileged bike rides and find your bike missing, know that it's just some lovable but disillusioned disadvantaged youth that stole it, not out of malice, but out of frustration how the system has failed them of which you are a part and bare some responsibility. Arguing against this is violence.

punisher5112

Any time travellers are mentioned on most sites, the page is shut down and users infractioned

splinter65

Bobtheman wrote: »

This is OTT. I don't condone their actions . Most of you had the benefit of educated parents. If you had properly funded social services you'd have educated these boys.

They left school at 14 to join their “fathers” in a life of crime.
Too many years of Tony Blair’s “all must win prizes” before the Conservatives eventually got back into power means that these barbarians are supremely confident that they are untouchable.

mynamejeff

there is zero possibility of any of these creatures ever being a productive member of humanity

why waste resources on them at all ? take all offer nothing


the rest of the people on the camp site that hid them should be jail too

card away mods card away

SEPT 23 1989

Bobtheman wrote: »

This is OTT. I don't condone their actions . Most of you had the benefit of educated parents. If you had properly funded social services you'd have educated these boys.

Many of our parents had barely a secondary school education why didn't we end up as murdering toerags

Social services me hole

You either teach your children right from wrong or you don't

Be right back

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Many of our parents had barely a secondary school education why didn't we end up as murdering toerags?

Social services me hole

You either teach your children right from wrong or you don't

Very good point.

punisher5112

Extremely sad for the young man murdered.... Not any other way about it, imagine the other officer's and emergency services having to come across that scene.....

The fiancée and family it's pure sad and he should be worth more then what was handed out as a tiny punishment, these A holes are career criminals and can you imagine how many other lives they've ruined through theft and so on....

The UK police in many cases are afraid of them...

Be right back

punisher5112 wrote: »

Extremely sad for the young man murdered.... Not any other way about it, imagine the other officer's and emergency services having to come across that scene.....

The fiancée and family it's pure sad and he should be worth more then what was handed out as a tiny punishment, these A holes are career criminals and can you imagine how many other lives they've ruined through theft and so on....

The UK police in many cases are afraid of them...

There was a video put up that was taken from in the police car. You can see parts of his uniform strewn along the road. Terrible.

Tokyo

Mod: @kevcos - don't post in the thread again.

Pkiernan

When a dirty racist dragged a man to his death in Texas he was executed.

The fact that Europe allows policemen to be murdered like this is a bad sign for us.

There is no justice for good people anymore.

tayto lover

Everyone seems to be really afraid to point out the truth about crime in the Traveller community and how high it is. They make up 23% of the prison population even though the form less than 1% of the entire population.

Surely a debate has to be had at some point regarding their activities and about their widespread refusal to have their children educated, their child marriages and arranged marriages, fist fighting, drug dealing and the high levels of criminal activity aimed at elderly isolated people.

I know lots of Travellers who are law abiding and who want to lead their lives the right way and who are embarrassed by the majority. So why is everyone afraid to tackle the issue and instead pussyfoot around it?

Rezident

They are dragging a police officer behind their car, his items such as the stab vest etc. are breaking off as he is dragged for A MILE as they are looking behind them to see if they are being followed by the police and they claim they did not know he was there the whole time?



At least one of them must have seen him when they were looking back, they must have known. That is murder. Yet another spectacular failure of the legal system which seems to spend more time protecting criminals and murderers than the rest of us.



Who would want to be a cop these days? One of the most difficult and most important jobs in society and hardly anyone will want to do it at this rate.

Still waters

I hope they're murdered in prison

SCOOP 64

Still waters wrote: »

I hope they're murdered in prison

Cant see it, if it were member of the public maybe but it being a policemen,
whats the max sentence for man slaughter ?

Be right back

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Cant see it, if it were member of the public maybe but it being a policemen,
whats the max sentence for man slaughter ?

Apparently there is no maximum sentence for manslaughter in the UK and it is at the judge's discretion.
Edit, I should have said mandatory instead of maximum.

SCOOP 64

Be right back wrote: »

Apparently there is no maximum sentence for manslaughter in the UK and it is at the judge's discretion.

Lets hope for the best.

StackSteevens

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

whats the max sentence for man slaughter ?

Life.

Highly unlikely to be imposed due to their age and the fact that they're clearly retarded oops, I mean sub-normal.