Dole holidays curtailed

Pkiernan

Thank God. Some sanity at last.

On the dole and go on a foreign holiday- lose your scratch!

https://www.thejournal.ie/travel-pandemic-unemployment-payment-5140755-Jul2020/

shivermetimber

No mention of this on any official sources that I can find. You currently don't have to sign on anywhere if on jobseekers/PUP so how will they know if you do travel? Additionally, the contact tracing form does not stipulate use of its information for this purpose so that's probably a GDPR breach if it is to be passed on to them.

Initially it all sounds like a load of BS being fed to the media in an attempt to try and dissuade a certain amount of people from non essential travel.

suicide_circus

we've been told in work if we go abroad we wont be paid for the 14 day quarantine period. absolutely fair.

polesheep

suicide_circus wrote: »

we've been told in work if we go abroad we wont be paid for the 14 day quarantine period. absolutely fair.

But you will be paid for your holiday time.

Pkiernan

Let me see...

Bored sitting at home all day doing nothing?

How about a free holiday in Spain doing nothing to cheer you up.

Don't worry about the cost, we'll get Paddy Taxpayer to foot the bill .

jay1988

Pkiernan wrote: »

Let me see...

Bored sitting at home all day doing nothing?

How about a free holiday in Spain doing nothing to cheer you up.

Don't worry about the cost, we'll get Paddy Taxpayer to foot the bill .

I'll take one if there's one going!

polesheep

Pkiernan wrote: »

Let me see...

Bored sitting at home all day doing nothing?

How about a free holiday in Spain doing nothing to cheer you up.

Don't worry about the cost, we'll get Paddy Taxpayer to foot the bill .

Sitting at home wondering if you will have a job to go back to after the restrictions on your employment have been lifted.

A holiday that you paid for months ago when you were still working.

No taxpayer's (of which you are normally one) money involved.

'We're all in this together'. Yeah, right.:rolleyes:

Queasy Tadpole

Go on holidays, don't inform the department - keep your dole.

Zero ways to police this.

Limpy

Here lads don't go on holidays but we'll let you book them no problem, as we don't know what to do really. They need to form a policy that's inline with the EU otherwise it'll be tail between the legs back to Boris.

All that fandango

How would this be policed I wonder? Considering the majority of PUP payments go straight into the recipients bank account?

Meeoow

Pkiernan wrote: »

Thank God. Some sanity at last.

On the dole and go on a foreign holiday- lose your scratch!

https://www.thejournal.ie/travel-pandemic-unemployment-payment-5140755-Jul2020/

I wouldn't begrudge people on stamped dole or the covid payment going on holiday and keeping their payments.
But people on the free dole shouldn't be able to claim it and go on holiday. There's plenty of people working who can't afford a holiday.

Atlantic Dawn

Queasy Tadpole wrote: »

Go on holidays, don't inform the department - keep your dole.

Zero ways to police this.

You won't be around to collect your dole, they will wonder why and likely cancel it. If they decide to call your mobile and you brought it with you it will ring with a foreign ring tone.

Away With The Fairies

They don't mention anything about illness benefit. Can't you get the benefit if you have to isolate?

What about coming back from holidays? Can they not claim the illness benefit for the two weeks since they are being asked to self isolate?

Queasy Tadpole

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

You won't be around to collect your dole, they will wonder why and likely cancel it. If they decide to call your mobile and you brought it with you it will ring with a foreign ring tone.

As far as I'm aware all social welfare payments are into the bank at the moment, including the €350 weekly special.

Atlantic Dawn

Queasy Tadpole wrote: »

As far as I'm aware all social welfare payments are into the bank at the moment, including the €350 weekly special.

They were moved to being paid every 2 weeks from March. Not sure on the €350 payment that might be direct to bank account.

Spanish Eyes

Surely those in receipt of taxpayer funded payments would have some conscience WRT to those who worked and carried on and so on and paid, and are paying for this for them. TBH I think it was great that no one was destitute, full marks to the decision of the Gov at the time for doing this, it took so much stress off many people.

But now if they are going on holliers at my feckin expense I'd need a word with the Minister! LOL.

Spanish Eyes

Meeoow wrote: »

I wouldn't begrudge people on stamped dole or the covid payment going on holiday and keeping their payments.
But people on the free dole shouldn't be able to claim it and go on holiday. There's plenty of people working who can't afford a holiday.

Great point, but we will be pariahs now for thinking that.

Atlantic Dawn

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

But now if they are going on holliers at my feckin expense I'd need a word with the Minister! LOL.

Some might be, others will be simply claiming their stamps they paid their entire life and are out of work due to Covid and the way our government has completely mishandled it.

da_miser

It's RACIST!



The usual suspects will pop up in the morning.

Spanish Eyes

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Some might be, others will be simply claiming their stamps they paid their entire life and are out of work due to Covid and the way our government has completely mishandled it.

Yes I know what you are saying re those who have paid into the system, but others are all funded by those still working and slaving away online at the kitchen/bedroom table or in a hospital or care setting etc. You know what I mean.

There really has to be some balance in all this. That's all I'm saying really. Those who have contributed fine, those who have not, well it is not fine sorry. They can stay in Ireland and spread their taxpayer funded largesse amongst those who fund them. I think that is fair.

Woops.

Expect some vitriol tomorrow when some emerge from their slumber. LOL.

dennispenn

i know a lad who went to latvia on 16/3/20 (i think it was this date) and only returned two weeks ago. full 350 payment while spending his time there. wonder how many tens of thousands did similar? absolute pisstake

ILoveYourVibes

Lol my bro has to move to belgium soon because he is now working for the EU they could easily let him stay until travel is less restricted but they are not letting him. Such hypocrisy.

shmeee

shivermetimber wrote: »

No mention of this on any official sources that I can find. You currently don't have to sign on anywhere if on jobseekers/PUP so how will they know if you do travel? Additionally, the contact tracing form does not stipulate use of its information for this purpose so that's probably a GDPR breach if it is to be passed on to them.

Initially it all sounds like a load of BS being fed to the media in an attempt to try and dissuade a certain amount of people from non essential travel.

The information was sent to employees in the DEASP last Friday. It's legit.

RandomViewer

dennispenn wrote: »

i know a lad who went to latvia on 16/3/20 (i think it was this date) and only returned two weeks ago. full 350 payment while spending his time there. wonder how many tens of thousands did similar? absolute pisstake

A lot of people got stuck when the borders closed, workplaces push for five holiday days in first quarter so many Eastern European workers were in their native country when things shut down, All Covid payments are applied for online and payments paid to bank, not their fault they couldn't get back here

Quantum Erasure

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

You won't be around to collect your dole, they will wonder why and likely cancel it. If they decide to call your mobile and you brought it with you it will ring with a foreign ring tone.

i remember when that icelandic volcano went off years ago, there was talk of loads of eastern europeans being caught out, not being able to fly in to claim their dole...

altough i think it's all getting paid into bank accounts since this thing started, all you had to do was fill in a form to transfer payment from the Post Office to your bank

Fann Linn

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

i remember when that icelandic volcano went off years ago, there was talk of loads of eastern europeans being caught out, not being able to fly in to claim their dole...

altough i think it's all getting paid into bank accounts since this thing started, all you had to do was fill in a form to transfer payment from the Post Office to your bank

You're right. You could be sitting in Maspalomas drinking cocktails and the dole will just go straight into your bank account. More fairytales from the govt IMO.

Spanish Eyes

Seems those working and paying for all this are the mugs. We will never get a look in. Easy targets.

Connacht15

There are dole inspectors at Dublin Airport, I know because I was stopped by 2 of them both l0vely Dub ladies, dressed in green outfits with clipboards, there are lads as well! After going passed the initial security check!
We are doing an additional security check, where are you going, Why, can we see your boarding card, what do you do for a living?
The 2 gobdaws got the shock of their lives when I told them where I actually worked at the time - A civil servant in a related department!
Oh we liasze with them was the response!

AFAIK This initiative was prompted by the finally dawning realization that during the volcanic ash crisis, several of our Polish friends living at home used to fly in for their rock and roll once a month!

Also I suppose in theory if you have an electronic passport, you are technically traceable!

And for future reference any transaction made abroad using your bank card will show up on your statements which you may be required at a later stage to be shown to the Department!

And if you go through a UK port how do you handle questions put to you by their anti terrorist police who cream their trousers at the prospect of abusing Irish People! Been there too!

Connacht15

BTW The lads who work in pairs as dole inspectors in The Airport are obvious from a mile off they wear black suit jackets and I have seen them stop folk!

The reason why I'm pointing this out is that Im a civil libertarian and I believe it's none of the states business where I go, especially if Its to the CTA or The EFTA areas!

beggars_bush

Connacht15 wrote: »

BTW The lads who work in pairs as dole inspectors in The Airport are obvious from a mile off they wear black suit jackets and I have seen them stop folk!

The reason why I'm pointing this out is that Im a civil libertarian and I believe it's none of the states business where I go, especially if Its to the CTA or The EFTA areas!

I'm glad they're uniformed
People should have nothing to hide

NIMAN

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Surely those in receipt of taxpayer funded payments would have some conscience WRT to those who worked and carried on and so on.

:rolleyes:
Sorry, but are you serious?

Very few people have a conscience any more.

ExMachina1000

Connacht15 wrote: »

BTW The lads who work in pairs as dole inspectors in The Airport are obvious from a mile off they wear black suit jackets and I have seen them stop folk!

The reason why I'm pointing this out is that Im a civil libertarian and I believe it's none of the states business where I go, especially if Its to the CTA or The EFTA areas!

Its the states business if the state happens to be funding the trip

shmeee

Connacht15 wrote: »

BTW The lads who work in pairs as dole inspectors in The Airport are obvious from a mile off they wear black suit jackets and I have seen them stop folk!

The reason why I'm pointing this out is that Im a civil libertarian and I believe it's none of the states business where I go, especially if Its to the CTA or The EFTA areas!

Wow, just wow.

Ok Gemma Doherty!

Dempo1

Interesting how the PUP & Dole are being confused by some for convenience & trolling sake.

Firstly, those on social welfare have long been permitted to go on 2 week holidays per calendar year without penalty, it would seem this arbitrary decision will be open to disputes.

PUP recepients are in a position through no fault of their own and whilst I accept there was mistakes when formulated re part time employment, to suggest the vast majority of PUP recipients are somehow scrounging from paddy taxman is outrageous and disgraceful.

Next week will see PT employee's have rate of payment cut to €210.

The holiday decision like most decisions by the department of social protection was made without much thought, I accept the travel restrictions issue but in reality few if anyone can travel abroad anyway so it's doubtful many will be affected.

For those concerned about paddy taxman, perhaps you might enlighten us on your thoughts re the wage subsidy scheme, costing far more than PUP. Employees have returned earning 85% of their wages. Anyone I've spoken too suggest business is the same before lockdown, so who's subsidising who exactly. A false economy has been created here. Lockdown costs, restart costs are separate matter with ample supports for busineses in place or coming. We now have a scenario where an enormous amount of businesses are trading normally whilst having their entire payroll covered by government, WTF is that all about.

A little objectivity would be nice rather than suggesting PUP recepients are scroungers.

Dempo1

Interesting how the PUP & Dole are being confused by some for convenience & trolling sake.

Firstly, those on social welfare have long been permitted to go on 2 week holidays per calendar year without penalty, it would seem this arbitrary decision will be open to disputes.

PUP recepients are in a position through no fault of their own and whilst I accept there was mistakes when formulated re part time employment, to suggest the vast majority of PUP recipients are somehow scrounging from paddy taxman is outrageous and disgraceful.

Next week will see PT employee's have rate of payment cut to €210.

The holiday decision like most decisions by the department of social protection was made without much thought, I accept the travel restrictions issue but in reality few if anyone can travel abroad anyway so it's doubtful many will be affected.

For those concerned about paddy taxman, perhaps you might enlighten us on your thoughts re the wage subsidy scheme, costing far more than PUP. Employees have returned earning 85% of their wages. Anyone I've spoken too suggest business is the same before lockdown, so who's subsidising who exactly. A false economy has been created here. Lockdown costs, restart costs are separate matter with ample supports for busineses in place or coming. We now have a scenario where an enormous amount of businesses are trading normally whilst having their entire payroll covered by government, WTF is that all about.

A little objectivity would be nice rather than suggesting PUP recepients are scroungers.

ExMachina1000

shmeee wrote: »

Wow, just wow.

Ok Gemma Doherty!

What's your issue with the post then

McGiver

Connacht15 wrote:

And for future reference any transaction made abroad using your bank card will show up on your statements which you may be required at a later stage to be shown to the Department!

Not if you use Revolut for example.
Your Irish bank account shows your Revolut top-ups and nothing else.

pgj2015

its obvious the government just want the covid payment money to be spent here, not in spain, portugal etc.

Pkiernan

Connacht15 wrote: »

BTW The lads who work in pairs as dole inspectors in The Airport are obvious from a mile off they wear black suit jackets and I have seen them stop folk!

The reason why I'm pointing this out is that Im a civil libertarian and I believe it's none of the states business where I go, especially if Its to the CTA or The EFTA areas!

What about when the State is paying for holidays for Job-so called-Seekers?

Pkiernan

Dempo1 wrote: »

For those concerned about paddy taxman, perhaps you might enlighten us on your thoughts re the wage subsidy scheme, costing far more than PUP. Employees have returned earning 85% of their wages. Anyone I've spoken too suggest business is the same before lockdown, so who's subsidising who exactly. A false economy has been created here. Lockdown costs, restart costs are separate matter with ample supports for busineses in place or coming. We now have a scenario where an enormous amount of businesses are trading normally whilst having their entire payroll covered by government, WTF is that all about.

A little objectivity would be nice rather than suggesting PUP recepients are scroungers.

No one is calling pup recipients scroungers.

Do you honestly believe that taxpayers should pay for foreign holidays? Especially when our domestic tourism sector is gutted?

Personally I don't like paying 53% tax.

Eric Cartman

We should be doing this anyway. If youre on the states dime you shouldnt be in a different country. I dont know what it is about how far ‘human rights’ have come , but a foreign holiday is not a human right or anywhere close to it.

bcklschaps

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

You won't be around to collect your dole, they will wonder why and likely cancel it. If they decide to call your mobile and you brought it with you it will ring with a foreign ring tone.

Only a problem, if you collect Social in person at a post office...even then they give you 2 weeks to pick it up anyway. (I think the majority of social is paid directly to bank account).

The signing on part (in the Intreo office) is done once a month...soo again easy to book holidays around that. Only issue you might have is a surprise appointment with short notice.

AVFC.Stephen

suicide_circus wrote: »

we've been told in work if we go abroad we wont be paid for the 14 day quarantine period. absolutely fair.

Will you get disciplined for it also?

suicide_circus

AVFC.Stephen wrote: »

Will you get disciplined for it also?

not officially no, they're being incredibly lenient but it will certainly be frowned upon and i wouldn't bother going for a promotion for the foreseeable future if i was one of them.

damian01211

So basically if you go out to a home country to sort out family stuff after funeral etc. They still count that as a holiday and they're taking the PUP away?

Like it's no1 fault they are on the PUP, I've paid for the trip from my own money I earned before pandemic.
So basically I have to save money for all the expenses while I'm away as country won't be giving me a single cent but theres thousand people stuck outside and they're receiving money.

Dempo1

Pkiernan wrote: »

No one is calling pup recipients scroungers.

Do you honestly believe that taxpayers should pay for foreign holidays? Especially when our domestic tourism sector is gutted?

Personally I don't like paying 53% tax.

I beg to differ, take a look at early posts. No I don't expect taxpayers to pay for anyone's holidays, my point which you clearly missed is historically SW were permitted two weeks holidays without being penalised. More of interest to me is the Trolling getting at PUP recipient's who are receiving state support, not Dole as some refer to it, because the state locked down their places of employment. I might also add, those same receipents may have paid for holidays before the lock down, you know, like most normal people. Finally, it's unlikely this decision will impact to many as the government have also pretty much restricted all foreign travel

Dempo1

damian01211 wrote: »

So basically if you go out to a home country to sort out family stuff after funeral etc. They still count that as a holiday and they're taking the PUP away?

Like it's no1 fault they are on the PUP, I've paid for the trip from my own money I earned before pandemic.
So basically I have to save money for all the expenses while I'm away as country won't be giving me a single cent but theres thousand people stuck outside and they're receiving money.

Agreed, but its been stated allowances will be made for emergencies etc, so a little (not much) common sense prevailing

Lundstram

Pkiernan wrote: »

No one is calling pup recipients scroungers.

Do you honestly believe that taxpayers should pay for foreign holidays? Especially when our domestic tourism sector is gutted?

Personally I don't like paying 53% tax.

Domestic tourism has been a rip off for many years now so why should we bail them out? No sympathy for them. Greed isn't the word.

If you're paying 53% tax, you need a new accountant.

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS!

Connacht15 wrote: »

BTW The lads who work in pairs as dole inspectors in The Airport are obvious from a mile off they wear black suit jackets and I have seen them stop folk!

The reason why I'm pointing this out is that Im a civil libertarian and I believe it's none of the states business where I go, especially if Its to the CTA or The EFTA areas!

If you're a civil libetarian you do you also believe in state funded dole?

Thought so.

AVFC.Stephen

suicide_circus wrote: »

not officially no, they're being incredibly lenient but it will certainly be frowned upon and i wouldn't bother going for a promotion for the foreseeable future if i was one of them.

We were unofficially told it would be investigated... also the 2m rule will comply after the pandemic also I'm lead to believe...

Connacht15

Sure in countries where you have no dole or very limited dole - USA, Spain and Italy, there's much higher level of street crime, people can be forced to steal to survive.
Do you want that?
South County Dublin may be different but there are vast stretches of the country where the SW system ensures local economies survive.
I would know people who despite being able to, never did a formal day's work in their lives.
Now at first glance they need a kick up their holes!
But on reflection there's nothing happening economically where they live.
Some never did a nixer!