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RTE fantasizes about African-Americans seeking refugee status in Ireland..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭blueskys


    In fairness that's a hypothetical opinion piece from a university lecturer and not an RTE editorial. Very hypothetical. From what i understand its virtually impossible to claim refugee status from one liberal democracy to another, no mater how dysfunctional you might think the US is. So no point getting too wound up about it mate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,732 ✭✭✭weisses


    I suppose you are also worried by chemtrails?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Maybe if RTE did an impartial report on the subject and included the very serious problem of black criminality in the States when compared to their size of the population, then it would be worth reading/watching.

    Look up Wikipedia for an explanation of Virtue Signalling, and you would probably find the RTE logo.
    They are such a bunch of wasters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    blueskys wrote: »
    In fairness that's a hypothetical opinion piece from a university lecturer and not an RTE editorial. Very hypothetical. From what i understand its virtually impossible to claim refugee status from one liberal democracy to another, no mater how dysfunctional you might think the US is. So no point getting too wound up about it mate.

    That why i said fantasizes in the title. Plus its on their website so they clearly agree with this idea to some degree otherwise it wouldn't be on their websit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Maybe if RTE did an impartial report on the subject and included the very serious problem of black criminality in the States when compared to their size of the population, then it would be worth reading/watching.

    Look up Wikipedia for an explanation of Virtue Signalling, and you would probably find the RTE logo.
    They are such a bunch of wasters.

    If any media outlet did their actual job then the myth of Blacks being innocent victims to a gestapo like Police Force would be shattered instantly.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,608 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2020/0629/1150259-african-americans-refugee-status-ireland-racism-direct-provision-law/?fbclid=IwAR1bhwIT1H885aq2YNt7MQ0KJXNAjFmLsrW3NcYM9nVeuNjsowrGcxSQ4Fc

    I know this empty virtue signalling, but it shows you how much our national broadcaster is marinating in crazy.

    As of the 2018 the African-American population is roughly 45,109,521. There is no way Ireland accommodate even a fraction of that number showing up at once. Our public services can't accommodate the current population no less that much showing up at one.

    We'd collapse economically the minute a fraction of that number turned up.

    JHC OP but you must be a nervous wreck with how all these conversations are making you so worried.

    That piece is interesting in the context of where America finds itself in the world today. That the land of the free and the home of the brave and the epitome for many generations worldwide of the peak of life goals in 'The American Dream' finds itself in a place where members of its population could possibly present themselves with just cause for an appeal for asylum in another country shows just how far it has fallen.

    But you manage to construe that in to RTE advocating for Ireland to be overwhelmed with an influx of immigrants.

    You certainly validated part of the article in what was in the final sentence.
    However, they may be just as likely to encounter racist treatment and attitudes in Ireland as in their country of origin.

    If you are concerned about Ireland and the people living there, go and do something to make Ireland a better country for the people living there instead of letting your mind run away with itself with imaginary scenarios.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    JHC OP but you must be a nervous wreck with how all these conversations are making you so worried.

    That piece is interesting in the context of where America finds itself in the world today. That the land of the free and the home of the brave and the epitome for many generations worldwide of the peak of life goals in 'The American Dream' finds itself in a place where members of its population could possibly present themselves with just cause for an appeal for asylum in another country shows just how far it has fallen.

    But you manage to construe that in to RTE advocating for Ireland to be overwhelmed with an influx of immigrants.

    You certainly validated part of the article in what was in the final sentence.



    If you are concerned about Ireland and the people living there, go and do something to make Ireland a better country for the people living there instead of letting your mind run away with itself with imaginary scenarios.

    So because I post and RTE article I'm worried. That's some stretching of logic you're doing. Must be the only exercise you get.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,477 ✭✭✭newbie2


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    That why i said fantasizes in the title. Plus its on their website so they clearly agree with this idea to some degree otherwise it wouldn't be on their websit.




    It actually says this in bold at the bottom of the piece
    The views expressed here are those of the author and do not represent or reflect the views of RTÉ


    Post is rubbish


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    The RTE website is a woke joke.

    Hardly any real news on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    As of the 2018 the African-American population is roughly 45,109,521. There is no way Ireland accommodate even a fraction of that number showing up at once.
    [...]
    We'd collapse economically the minute a fraction of that number turned up.

    1/45,109,521 is a fraction. Is this like the wafer-thin mint in Monty Python's The Meaning Of Life? We'll explode if we consume even one more person?

    Oh, sir, it's only a tiny, little, thin one...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭VillageIdiot71


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2020/0629/1150259-african-americans-refugee-status-ireland-racism-direct-provision-law/?fbclid=IwAR1bhwIT1H885aq2YNt7MQ0KJXNAjFmLsrW3NcYM9nVeuNjsowrGcxSQ4Fc

    I know this empty virtue signalling, but it shows you how much our national broadcaster is marinating in crazy.

    As of the 2018 the African-American population is roughly 45,109,521. There is no way Ireland accommodate even a fraction of that number showing up at once. Our public services can't accommodate the current population no less that much showing up at one.

    We'd collapse economically the minute a fraction of that number turned up.
    But surely after their awful treatment in America, they'd be wary of any country with a white-dominated Government.

    Would they not be more likely to apply for asylum somewhere like, oh, Nigeria?

    Bet the quarter of a million Nigerians living in the US will all be back in their native land the moment normal travel arrangements resume.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭noddy69


    What a load of absolute garbage.

    No need to thank me for the well thought out balanced reply.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,516 ✭✭✭Outkast_IRE


    Not surprising if you look at some of the people rte allow to write some of these articles they are as left as you get in this country . Some of them worryingly so trying to dump colonial power problems on us .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    newbie2 wrote: »
    It actually says this in bold at the bottom of the piece

    The views expressed here are those of the author and do not represent or reflect the views of RTÉ
    Post is rubbish
    But they still "put it out there" didn't they?
    This is what RTE does. Since they won the Direct Provision "battle" with their incessant push to have it abolished, they now need another cause du jour. And they found it: to address the issue that we in Ireland are "too white" (as stated by our country's leader a number of weeks ago).

    We should expect to see and hear a lot more from RTE about our "whiteness", and they will quote and air any liberal report that fixes our "white" problem. Expect to see a cutting edge RTE Investigates reports on "Why are we so white? Why did Ireland allow it to happen?"

    Don't forget that you (most of you) are paying money out of your pockets in order to pay for them to publish and broadcast this nonsense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Kivaro wrote: »
    But they still "put it out there" didn't they?
    This is what RTE does. Since they won the Direct Provision "battle" with their incessant push to have it abolished, they now need another cause du jour. And they found it: to address the issue that we in Ireland are "too white" (as stated by our country's leader a number of weeks ago).

    We should expect to see and hear a lot more from RTE about our "whiteness", and they will quote and air any liberal report that fixes our "white" problem. Expect to see a cutting edge RTE Investigates reports on "Why are we so white? Why did Ireland allow it to happen?"

    Don't forget that you (most of you) are paying money out of your pockets in order to pay for them to publish and broadcast this nonsense.

    To be fair to RTE,they are merely toeing the line,now required of all media outlets in 'The West'.

    A quick perusal of the BBC's various sites reveals a wide spread of articles all designed to rewrite reality in anything to do with History.

    The bould Gadaffi may have been a lot more accurate than even he imagined...https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/gaddafi-stop-the-migration-or-europe-turns-black.338528


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭ronivek


    This was an opinion piece in respect of the legal basis for black Americans to seek asylum in Ireland. By a lecturer in law. In the law section of the RTÉ websites opinion and analysis section.

    Nowhere in the article did it say anything about advocating for this to happen; merely whether it could happen based on current law.

    But of course actually reading more than a title and trying to understand something before angrily typing out a bunch of rubbish would actually require a little time and effort.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭VillageIdiot71


    ronivek wrote: »
    This was an opinion piece in respect of the legal basis for black Americans to seek asylum in Ireland. By a lecturer in law. In the law section of the RTÉ websites opinion and analysis section.

    Nowhere in the article did it say anything about advocating for this to happen; merely whether it could happen based on current law.

    But of course actually reading more than a title and trying to understand something before angrily typing out a bunch of rubbish would actually require a little time and effort.
    Ah, get real. It's a prime example of virtue signalling. Concluding with this piece of hyperventilation
    African-American asylum seekers who may eventually be successful in their application for refugee status in Ireland may not need to fear lethal violence from gardaí. However, they may be just as likely to encounter racist treatment and attitudes in Ireland as in their country of origin.
    Yeah, yeah. That's why there's so many Afro-Americans applying for asylum in Burundi.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    ronivek wrote: »
    This was an opinion piece in respect of the legal basis for black Americans to seek asylum in Ireland. By a lecturer in law. In the law section of the RTÉ websites opinion and analysis section.

    Nowhere in the article did it say anything about advocating for this to happen; merely whether it could happen based on current law.

    But of course actually reading more than a title and trying to understand something before angrily typing out a bunch of rubbish would actually require a little time and effort.

    What part of "I know this is empty virtue signalling" did you snowflakes not understand?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,608 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    What part of "I know this is empty virtue signalling" did you snowflakes not understand?

    The part that would motivate someone to start a thread on it in the manner you did.

    Says it all really. And then calling people who call out your BS as 'snowflakes'. Lol. Go start another thread on how people on the internet are using you to virtue signal. It'll make as much sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    What part of "I know this is empty virtue signalling" did you snowflakes not understand?

    So if the original opinion piece which took some time and effort to produce is ‘empty virtue signalling’; what would you call taking 2 minutes to start a new thread on boards.ie just to try and get a few easy likes for calling out an ‘empty virtue signal’?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭Jurgen Klopp


    So based upon that can travellers apply to the US for asylum given all the racism they experience and nothing ever being their fault?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭VillageIdiot71


    So based upon that can travellers apply to the US for asylum given all the racism they experience and nothing ever being their fault?
    Of course.

    However, they may be just as likely to encounter racist treatment and attitudes in the US as in their country of origin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    What about the plight of the most persecuted minority in this country? We could do a persecuted minority cultural exchange program with the USA.


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2020/0629/1150259-african-americans-refugee-status-ireland-racism-direct-provision-law/?fbclid=IwAR1bhwIT1H885aq2YNt7MQ0KJXNAjFmLsrW3NcYM9nVeuNjsowrGcxSQ4Fc

    I know this empty virtue signalling, but it shows you how much our national broadcaster is marinating in crazy.

    As of the 2018 the African-American population is roughly 45,109,521. There is no way Ireland accommodate even a fraction of that number showing up at once. Our public services can't accommodate the current population no less that much showing up at one.

    We'd collapse economically the minute a fraction of that number turned up.

    I’m quite certain you could handle 1 or 3/45109521


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    ronivek wrote: »
    So if the original opinion piece which took some time and effort to produce is ‘empty virtue signalling’; what would you call taking 2 minutes to start a new thread on boards.ie just to try and get a few easy likes for calling out an ‘empty virtue signal’?

    Because Irish Govt is stupid enough and cowardly enough to try something like this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Of course.

    However, they may be just as likely to encounter racist treatment and attitudes in the US as in their country of origin.

    Its almost as if their own actions cause the problem....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 ✭✭Sarcozies


    I'd gladly take in all the African Americans tomorrow if we could swap RTE with them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭Cal4567


    I always wondered what were the real merits of numerous academics and came to the conclusion long ago that many had been stealing a living for years, getting funding to deliver various documents across a variety of areas, usually trying to encourage us to do something we had no intention of ever doing. Documents that usually no one hardly ever reads in full detail, hence the need to commence the work with a single paged summary, saving the chore of having to bother with the remaining 122 pages.

    He sounds like an Irish once based in the UK, in that esteemed seat of learning whose existence I was not even aware of - The University of Leicester.

    As it is Leicester he must have now been told this week to go back into lockdown, and this is his rallying cry, from his kitchen table/bedroom or wherever he is. I hope his lockdown ends soon. He needs to get out and get some fresh air.

    I must be getting old but what purpose does this piece offer? Why? It offers nothing to the current argument. What is the purpose of getting someone to provide such a hypothetical analysis. Of course he sees us all as nasty little racists, see below, if you can't be bothered to read it all.


    'African-American asylum seekers who may eventually be successful in their application for refugee status in Ireland may not need to fear lethal violence from gardaí. However, they may be just as likely to encounter racist treatment and attitudes in Ireland as in their country of origin'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    Cal4567 wrote: »
    I always wondered what were the real merits of numerous academics and came to the conclusion long ago that many had been stealing a living for years, getting funding to deliver various documents across a variety of areas, usually trying to encourage us to do something we had no intention of ever doing. Documents that usually no one hardly ever reads in full detail, hence the need to commence the work with a single paged summary, saving the chore of having to bother with the remaining 122 pages.

    He sounds like an Irish once based in the UK, in that esteemed seat of learning whose existence I was not even aware of - The University of Leicester.

    As it is Leicester he must have now been told this week to go back into lockdown, and this is his rallying cry, from his kitchen table/bedroom or wherever he is. I hope his lockdown ends soon. He needs to get out and get some fresh air.

    I must be getting old but what purpose does this piece offer? Why? It offers nothing to the current argument. What is the purpose of getting someone to provide such a hypothetical analysis. Of course he sees us all as nasty little racists, see below, if you can't be bothered to read it all.


    'African-American asylum seekers who may eventually be successful in their application for refugee status in Ireland may not need to fear lethal violence from gardaí. However, they may be just as likely to encounter racist treatment and attitudes in Ireland as in their country of origin'

    A Woman my Mom used to work for said "Having a Degree doesn't make you smart." she was right. These professors prove that.

    The poit of this article is just to virtue signal while still pounding the "The Irish are racists." drum.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    In order to qualify as a refugee, individuals have to (i) show a well-founded fear of (ii) being persecuted (iii)
    for reasons of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership of a particular social group.
    They have to (iv) be outside their country of nationality and (v) be unable or unwilling to avail themselves of the protection of that country.

    It is important to understand that protection is granted against possible future harm.
    These criteria don't fit black Americans.
    In fact they don't even fit many immigrants into Ireland today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    A Woman my Mom used to work for said "Having a Degree doesn't make you smart." she was right. These professors prove that.

    .

    “Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.”

    That quote is applicable to nearly everything these people push. You'll find little wisdom in the halls of academia.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    TomTomTim wrote: »
    “Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.”

    That quote is applicable to nearly everything these people push. You'll find little wisdom in the halls of academia.

    Definitely. Most of them have been there for so long they've been sheltered from reality.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    TomTomTim wrote: »
    “Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.”

    That quote is applicable to nearly everything these people push. You'll find little wisdom in the halls of academia.
    You can find plenty. And plenty of diverse views. The problem comes when some twit with a media "degree" filters it. Ergo this example of RTE's ballsology.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Cal4567 wrote: »
    .....

    'African-American asylum seekers who may eventually be successful in their application for refugee status in Ireland may not need to fear lethal violence from gardaí. However, they may be just as likely to encounter racist treatment and attitudes in Ireland as in their country of origin'
    The main reason why RTE posted their article is because of the last line above. It just gave them another opportunity to call us all in Ireland racist.

    And remember folks ............ RTE is our national broadcaster, and we are each paying €160 every year for this "service".
    And also remember that at the start of the Covid pandemic in Ireland, RTE presenters were going ballistic with their daily bombardment on their news programs of the inevitability of virus carnage at Direct Provision centres all around the country. At the same time there was not a peep out of them about the vulnerability of our older citizens in nursing homes .........
    Bunch of hypocrites.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    Kivaro wrote: »
    The main reason why RTE posted their article is because of the last line above. It just gave them another opportunity to call us all in Ireland racist.

    And remember folks ............ RTE is our national broadcaster, and we are each paying €160 every year for this "service".
    And also remember that at the start of the Covid pandemic in Ireland, RTE presenters were going ballistic with their daily bombardment on their news programs of the inevitability of virus carnage at Direct Provision centres all around the country. At the same time there was not a peep out of them about the vulnerability of our older citizens in nursing homes .........
    Bunch of hypocrites.

    We should use that next time they coming knocking for license "Surely RTE wouldn't want money from us racist. Now would they?"


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 nyc-dublin


    No black American would leave america let alone seek refugee status in Ireland of all places. Ffs lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    nyc-dublin wrote: »
    No black American would leave america let alone seek refugee status in Ireland of all places. Ffs lol

    Many of them won't admit, but they realize they have it good in the US.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,608 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    Many of them won't admit, but they realize they have it good in the US.

    So, so good.
    An estimated 5.1% of all persons in the United States will be confined in a State or Federal prison during their lifetime, if incarceration rates recorded
    in 1991 remain unchanged in the future. The lifetime chances of a person going to prison are higher for men (9.0%) than for women (1.1%) and higher for blacks (16.2%) and Hispanics (9.4%) than for whites (2.5%). At current levels of incarceration a black male in the United States today has greater than a 1 in 4 chance of going to prison during his lifetime, while a Hispanic male has a 1 in 6 chance and a white male has a 1 in 23 chance of serving time.

    I expect that many who post in the CA/IMHO forum would actually like to see some African Americans apply for asylum in Ireland so they could use it as evidence of how much of a welfare state the country is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    The reason there are so many black people in US prisons is that they commit a sh1t load of crime. Mostly against other black people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭SlowMotion321


    I expect that many who post in the CA/IMHO forum would actually like to see some African Americans apply for asylum in Ireland so they could use it as evidence of how much of a welfare state the country is.

    Absolutely! I am so tired of complaining about the Polish, Roma and Nigerians, I need a new drum to beat! (edit) They've been hear too long can't really call them bloody foreigners any more!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,516 ✭✭✭Outkast_IRE


    biko wrote: »
    These criteria don't fit black Americans.
    In fact they don't even fit many immigrants into Ireland today.

    Quite right , my previous neighbours were Nigerian , grand family had no issues with them . They were flying back to Nigeria via the UK 2-3 times a year, you would just have to wonder under what pretense were they granted asylum here if they were frequently home with no issues ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,656 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    The reason there are so many black people in US prisons is that they commit a sh1t load of crime. Mostly against other black people.

    Mod: Try harder. Don't post in the thread again.


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