Cork Taoiseach

saabsaab

Any opinions on what a Cork Taoiseach will have on Cork? Will it rise again?


Last man was Jack Lynch and before that Michael Collins (not Taoiseach but in charge all the same)

gifted

He's a chancer......lucky to get elected on the 6th count.....part of FF when they wrecked the country......responsible for the mess that is the HSE........just a very poor politician....and he'll do feck all for anyone let alone Cork

saabsaab

gifted wrote: »

He's a chancer......lucky to get elected on the 6th count.....part of FF when they wrecked the country......responsible for the mess that is the HSE........just a very poor politician....and he'll do feck all for anyone let alone Cork

Aren't you overstating the case against him? Didn't he bring in the smoking ban in the teeth of opposition saving God knows how many lives since.

whisky_galore

Is the point of being Taoiseach to lead your government or hand out goodies to your locality?

Truckermal

whisky_galore wrote: »

Is the point of being Taoiseach to lead your government or hand out goodies to your locality?

He told Prendeville that Cork won't be getting any special treatment.

Eamon Ryan on Transport so forget about Dunkettle or the M20..

saabsaab

whisky_galore wrote: »

Is the point of being Taoiseach to lead your government or hand out goodies to your locality?

Of course it is to lead the country first but any Taoiseach or Minister who forgets his constituency will regret it later.

saabsaab

Truckermal wrote: »

He told Prendeville that Cork won't be getting any special treatment.

Eamon Ryan on Transport so forget about Dunkettle or the M20..

What about equal treatment? Dublin gets more that a fair share.

Truckermal

saabsaab wrote: »

What about equal treatment? Dublin gets more that a fair share.

I know and it's always the case! Coveney would have been our man but unfortunately not this time.

saabsaab

saabsaab wrote: »

What about equal treatment? Dublin gets more that a fair share.

How so?

gifted

saabsaab wrote: »

Aren't you overstating the case against him? Didn't he bring in the smoking ban in the teeth of opposition saving God knows how many lives since.

And that should excuse him for all the cock ups his party were involved in? He would go into bed with anyone just to get back into power....like I said ...a chancer and hopefully he'll be found out again before he gets a chance to ruin this country

Truckermal

JayZeus wrote: »

How so?

Next best thing to the pale are the cnuts in Wicklaw...:P

Seven Septs

gifted wrote: »

And that should excuse him for all the cock ups his party were involved in? He would go into bed with anyone just to get back into power....like I said ...a chancer and hopefully he'll be found out again before he gets a chance to ruin this country

If Fine Gael were in power during the 2000s they would have done exactly what FF did. It was an international economic crash. FG ran the country into the ground from 1982-87.

snotboogie

saabsaab wrote: »

Any opinions on what a Cork Taoiseach will have on Cork? Will it rise again?


Last man was Jack Lynch and before that Michael Collins (not Taoiseach but in charge all the same)

Cork was on the rise pre covid. We need serious public sector investment now though as this was sorely lacking over the last decade. I think the M20, M28 and Dunkettle are safe, NRR is probably gone though. In fairness we need huge investment in public transport too so a Green focus may not be a bad thing. Hopefully we can get Busconnects fast tracked and the Luas brought forward.

All that fandango

Enda didnt do much for us here up in Mayo during his time, particularly Castlebar. I wouldnt hold my breath.

saabsaab

All that fandango wrote: »

Enda didnt do much for us here up in Mayo during his time, particularly Castlebar. I wouldnt hold my breath.

I heard that. Was it held against him?

saabsaab

JayZeus wrote: »

How so?

See below


https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/cork-economy-faces-monumental-failure-from-stalled-spending-948324.html

namloc1980

gifted wrote: »

He's a chancer......lucky to get elected on the 6th count.....part of FF when they wrecked the country......responsible for the mess that is the HSE........just a very poor politician....and he'll do feck all for anyone let alone Cork

Lucky? Not sure you understand how elections work. There's no "luck" involved. He was elected second in the constituency and got 96.5% of a quota in first preferences and got a second colleague over the line in the same constituency in Michael McGrath.

j8wk2feszrnpao

I hope he does more than the Cork Tanaiste, not that I'll be holding my breath. I will give him credit for the smoking ban though, the publicans fought it and he didn't relent on that.

namloc1980

whisky_galore wrote: »

Is the point of being Taoiseach to lead your government or hand out goodies to your locality?

A Taoiseach or minister who doesn't do anything for their constituency won't fair well at another election.

All that fandango

saabsaab wrote:

I heard that. Was it held against him?

Well it definitely was when he resorted to calling us whingers about it.

whisky_galore

namloc1980 wrote: »

A Taoiseach or minister who doesn't do anything for their constituency won't fair well at another election.

Well then people need to get real if that's what they expect of a Taoiseach. A leader for the whole country, not just for Cork.

RandomViewer

JayZeus wrote: »

How so?

Because lots of companies are headquartered in Dublin , they pay taxes for all their countrywide outlets from a central source so Dublin can then claim to collect the most tax .

namloc1980

whisky_galore wrote: »

Well then people need to get real if that's what they expect of a Taoiseach. A leader for the whole country, not just for Cork.

Our electoral system is rooted in local politics and always has been.

Peter Flynt

saabsaab wrote: »

Aren't you overstating the case against him? Didn't he bring in the smoking ban in the teeth of opposition saving God knows how many lives since.

There was no major opposition to the intro of the smoking ban.

namloc1980

Peter Flynt wrote: »

There was no major opposition to the intro of the smoking ban.

Vintners fought it tooth and nail. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/vintners-slam-government-s-smoking-ban-proposal-1.424130

Nonoperational

namloc1980 wrote: »

Lucky? Not sure you understand how elections work. There's no "luck" involved. He was elected second in the constituency and got 96.5% of a quota in first preferences and got a second colleague over the line in the same constituency in Michael McGrath.

Go away with your sensible post. Rabble rabble rabble notmytaoiseach, rabble rabble rabble

AugustusMinimus

gifted wrote: »

He's a chancer......lucky to get elected on the 6th count.....part of FF when they wrecked the country......responsible for the mess that is the HSE........just a very poor politician....and he'll do feck all for anyone let alone Cork

I’m guessing you don’t understand the STV system. It sure looks like it.

Ludo

Nonoperational wrote: »

Go away with your sensible post. Rabble rabble rabble notmytaoiseach, rabble rabble rabble

Christ...this notmytaoiseach BS is so stupid. I know you are being sarcastic by the way and this isn't aimed at you.

I have very little time for MM or FF but he is now the Taoiseach. I wont agree with a lot of what he says or does but FFS he is not going to destroy the country. He is not Trump or Johnson. I wish him well. I really don't think he lies or is in anyway dishonest. So just suck it up and hope he does a good job for all.

I think so far we have been quite lucky in that our politicians do actually want what is best for the country rather than their own self interest. I even include SF in that :-)
Let's hope it stays that way.

whisky_galore

namloc1980 wrote: »

Our electoral system is rooted in local politics and always has been.

If you want a Healy Rae type who will get you trinkets, why don't you vote for one, or stand yourself as a man of the peeeeple?

Who out there in the current lot is best for goodies? Come on now, don't tell me they're all useless? How on earth do they get elected?

the beer revolu

Peter Flynt wrote: »

There was no major opposition to the intro of the smoking ban.

Almost everyone was opposed to it.
I knew non smokers who thought it would ruin pubs and was a ridiculous case of nannystateism and, as already mentioned, the publicans fought tooth and nail against it.

There was nothing to be gained from pushing this unpopular agenda, yet he doggedly pushed it even as members of his own party opposed it. It was a rare brave and selfless political act for which he should be remembered.

Having said that, I never have and most likely never will vote for FF.

I met him as a young TD in about 1993 and afterwards said to my friend that man was being groomed to be taoiseach. Took 27 years for me to be proved right. I'm not sure I ever wanted to be proved right, but there you go.

namloc1980

whisky_galore wrote: »

If you want a Healy Rae type who will get you trinkets, why don't you vote for one, or stand yourself as a man of the peeeeple?

Who out there in the current lot is best for goodies? Come on now, don't tell me they're all useless? How on earth do they get elected?

That's how politics in Ireland works. Ministers all over the country have delivered investment for their constituents. If they were meant to be purely focused on national politics then we should have a list system like they do in other countries. Historically Cork ministers are pretty bad at it though.

User142

gifted wrote: »

He's a chancer......lucky to get elected on the 6th count.....part of FF when they wrecked the country......responsible for the mess that is the HSE........just a very poor politician....and he'll do feck all for anyone let alone Cork

Lucky to get elected? Are you kidding. They took 2 of the 4 seats. They managed their vote and stopped the Greens taking a seat.

In our political system this is the definition of massive success.

whisky_galore

namloc1980 wrote: »

Historically Cork ministers are pretty bad at it though.

Again.
How do they get elected?

AugustusMinimus

User142 wrote: »

Lucky to get elected? Are you kidding. They took 2 of the 4 seats. They managed their vote and stopped the Greens taking a seat.

In our political system this is the definition of massive success.

It stuns next just how misunderstood STV is in this country.

namloc1980

whisky_galore wrote: »

Again.
How do they get elected?

Are you not aware that we have general elections? A quick Google search will tell you what you need to know.

whisky_galore

namloc1980 wrote: »

Are you not aware that we have general elections? A quick Google search will tell you what you need to know.

Now don't act dumb. How do cork candidates who supposedly deliver little or nothing get voted in time and time again?

namloc1980

whisky_galore wrote: »

Now don't act dumb. How do cork candidates who supposedly deliver little or nothing get voted in time and time again?

Because people just vote for them regardless. When FF got wiped out in 2011 Cork South Central still faithfully and inexplicably re-elected both Martin and McGrath. Only place in the country to do so. All three of them are lukewarm at best about the M28 and Martin in particular has shown little interest in progressing the Event Centre. What specifically have they delivered?

MrDerp

namloc1980 wrote: »

Because people just vote for them regardless. When FF got wiped out in 2011 Cork South Central still faithfully and inexplicably re-elected both Martin and McGrath. Only place in the country to do so. All three of them are lukewarm at best about the M28 and Martin in particular has shown little interest in progressing the Event Centre.

My vote pattern: 2002 out of the country (and don’t believe in postal votes). Green 2007. FG 2011, 2016, 2020.

I’m a cork south central voter and I vote based on policies overall, not local infrastructure projects.

Sure, I will factor it in, but I won’t knee jerk my vote if something is not delivered.

There is no party which meets my requirement to be socially progressive, pro infrastructure investment, pro education investment, but fiscally conservative on other day to day expenditure.

I look for a balance across all of that, but it means a party won’t lose a vote in a reaction to not delivering one, and I certainly won’t vote for change for the sake of change if I don’t believe in the policies of an alternative.

It’s not about delivering for Cork for me, which would be nice but has to be balanced with building an overall economic and social engine for the country. I will never vote on a single local issue housing, Heath, roads.

Finally, when I despair generally at the options and don’t agree with any party in particular, I will vote with my wallet, which I did in 2011. FG have retained my vote since for demonstrating the most credible commitment to avoiding us ending back in emergency EU / IMF funding

j8wk2feszrnpao

Peter Flynt wrote: »

There was no major opposition to the intro of the smoking ban.

Yes there was. The publicans fought against it for years, promising to use expensive air recycling units that they were never going to install (and they threaten legal action at the time).
Think we were the first European country to ban smoking in the workplace, so he wasn't following some pattern.

saabsaab

Of course it's not all about Cork but Cork is a vitally important area of the country and should get its fair share. Having said others areas don't either as Dublin acts like a giant hoover sucking up investment.

whisky_galore

the beer revolu wrote: »

Almost everyone was opposed to it.
I knew non smokers who thought it would ruin pubs and was a ridiculous case of nannystateism and, as already mentioned, the publicans fought tooth and nail against it.

There was nothing to be gained from pushing this unpopular agenda, yet he doggedly pushed it even as members of his own party opposed it. It was a rare brave and selfless political act for which he should be remembered.

Having said that, I never have and most likely never will vote for FF.

I met him as a young TD in about 1993 and afterwards said to my friend that man was being groomed to be taoiseach. Took 27 years for me to be proved right. I'm not sure I ever wanted to be proved right, but there you go.

Personally I think it was a great move. Was absolutely sick at the time of breathing it and my clothes stinking of other peoples' smoke and getting burned by eegits holding cigarettes.

We look back on those days now like the days smoking was allowed in planes, but I thought banning it in pubs could never work or be enforced, that people would take the mass public disobedience line, thankfully I've been proven wrong on that last one as the laws have teeth behind them and it polices itself. Anyone lighting up in a pub these days is going to get strange looks.

JP Liz V1

namloc1980 wrote: »

Lucky? Not sure you understand how elections work. There's no "luck" involved. He was elected second in the constituency and got 96.5% of a quota in first preferences and got a second colleague over the line in the same constituency in Michael McGrath.

McGrath would be a better FF leader and Taoiseach

namloc1980

If local politics plays no role in what a minister does, why are so many people getting their knickers in a twist over no senior minister from the west of Ireland??

saabsaab

namloc1980 wrote: »

If local politics plays no role in what a minister does, why are so many people getting their knickers in a twist over no senior minister from the west of Ireland??

So true the West is also neglected.

whisky_galore

namloc1980 wrote: »

If local politics plays no role in what a minister does, why are so many people getting their knickers in a twist over no senior minister from the west of Ireland??

No matter what is done, nobody will be entirely pleased.

No people hailing from some west of Ireland boghole or no women or no LGTQXYZ amputee Gaelgoir travellers of colour.

saabsaab

The West is a huge area and Women make up half the population!

corks finest

gifted wrote: »

He's a chancer......lucky to get elected on the 6th count.....part of FF when they wrecked the country......responsible for the mess that is the HSE........just a very poor politician....and he'll do feck all for anyone let alone Cork

Agree 100 PC,not a FF/ FG man at all,but McGrath' would be a much better, smarter FF leader and Taoiseach

corks finest

saabsaab wrote: »

So true the West is also neglected.

He will neglect the whole bloody country in time,he's a plamaser,a yes man

namloc1980

saabsaab wrote: »

The West is a huge area and Women make up half the population!

22.5% of the TDs are women. 26.7% of the cabinet are women. If anything women are over-representated in cabinet relative to the number of TDs in the Dáil.

saabsaab

I say give the man a chance. At least he is from cork.

mikeym

I trust Varadkar over Micheal Martin, he has a track record of lying to the electorate.

Carrigaline will have 2 ministers living in that town but dont worry people of the West us Carrigaline people wont be getting any special treatment it will be the same manure as usual.