I think its safe to say; Leo will go down as one of this countries greatest ever...

theballz

Thank you for everything Leo.

Working class heroes

theballz wrote: »

Thank you for everything Leo.

He’ll be back.

s7ryf3925pivug

I was curious to see the word following the ellipses

theballz

Working class heroes wrote: »

He’ll be back.

I do hope so. However, I wouldn't be surprised if he took a big job in Brussels either. He made a big impression during the Brexit talks.

ExMachina1000

You are the best Leo. Best of luck in all of your endeavors. Thank you for making Ireland great again

James Brown

Non events?
At least Kenny was comedy gold.

McMurphy

https://twitter.com/RoundLeader/status/1276428359199752192?s=19

jprender

In fairness, he’s been brilliant.

_Kaiser_

Ok guys. Please explain why Leo has been so great/brilliant etc

- What has he achieved as Taoiseach?
- What did he achieve as a minister under Enda?

Is it just that he's down with social media, can quote movies in speeches and is good at being on the right side of trendy issues? Because those do not a good Taoiseach make.

s7ryf3925pivug

It's a bit like an air traffic controller who doesn't pay attention and nearly causes an accident, but then manages to avoid disaster in the nick of time. But with speeches.

Pawwed Rig

Well when you analyse the competition Haughey, Ahern et al he may well be remembered fondly. Brought Ireland from bust back to solvent and presided over the biggest health crisis in 60 years while being part of a govt that introduced same sex marriage and legalised abortion.

Glaring failure is the absolute state of the HSE but we can all share that failure by being so accepting of it for a generation.

McMurphy

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Well when you analyse the competition Haughey, Ahern et al he may well be remembered fondly. Brought Ireland from bust back to solvent and presided over the biggest health crisis in 60 years while being part of a govt that introduced same sex marriage and legalised abortion.

Glaring failure is the absolute state of the HSE but we can all share that failure by being so accepting of it for a generation.

He opposed it quite publicly until he knew what way the wind was blowing.

elperello

I don't think he will be remembered as the greatest ever anything but I do think history will be kind to him.

paw patrol

He hasn't done anything of note.
I don't think he is a great taoiseach but he hasn't done anything terrible either. Apart from , he shat the working folk who he promised to help - his "people who get up early" quote. he rewarded the welfare class over the middle class.


But there was nothing great about his reign either almost Paschal Donohoe like in his steady but boring capacity



He leaves us now in the hole for his covid largesse , while you may cheer him now , the working people will be paying that bill for years at the expense of our school, hospitals etc... or higher tax on....the working person AGAIN

_Kaiser_

McMurphy wrote: »

He opposed it quite publicly until he knew what way the wind was blowing.

.. and then decided to "come out" on national radio during the campaign to maximise his personal popularity. :rolleyes:

It's amazing how many fell for it.

quokula

He moved the country forward overseeing a wave of positive social changes while many of our peers moved backwards.

He oversaw a strong recovery in the economy, improvements in public services and an increase in house building.

His government has weathered the Covid storm admirably, so far seeming to get the balance right on when to lock down and when to open up, in addition to doing very well on things like testing and PPE compared to most countries.

People expect politicians to be magicians who can click their fingers and solve everything overnight, not helped by those who like to stand on the sidelines throwing insults and pretending there are easy answers to complex problems, but in an imperfect world with limited resources our government has performed admirably this past few years.

ACitizenErased

As far as I recall Leo is not a member of NPHET and didn't make any COVID decisions on his own....

_Kaiser_

quokula wrote: »

He moved the country forward overseeing a wave of positive social changes while many of our peers moved backwards.

He oversaw a strong recovery in the economy, improvements in public services and an increase in house building.

His government has weathered the Covid storm admirably, so far seeming to get the balance right on when to lock down and when to open up, in addition to doing very well on things like testing and PPE compared to most countries.

People expect politicians to be magicians who can click their fingers and solve everything overnight, not helped by those who like to stand on the sidelines throwing insults and pretending there are easy answers to complex problems, but in an imperfect world with limited resources our government has performed admirably this past few years.

Or...

- He oversaw a lot of easy-win social referenda to distract from the worsening crisis in health, housing and the squandering of the "Recovery" generally. There's a reason why FG did so badly in the latest election vs earlier results.

- He handed control of the State to Dr Tony for 2 and a half months until the public and opposition had enough of watching the country go down the toilet and demanded he take a more active role - y'know as a Taoiseach/Government should in a crisis

ACitizenErased

If Leo deserves this thread then the CMO deserves a statue ffs

Dr. Bre

I was nearly in tears during his speeches . Nearly

quokula

ACitizenErased wrote: »

As far as I recall Leo is not a member of NPHET and didn't make any COVID decisions on his own....

I'm surprised it needs to be explained, but listening to the right advisors and knowing when and how much to heed their advice is a part of good leadership. No head of government has ever single handedly made every single decision on their own. And if they did it would be pretty disastrous.

flazio

He brought in equal marriage to be fair. The other big referendum is still controversial. (Do not blaspheme )
I don't think we should ever worship or commemorate political leaders. We voted them in indirectly to do a job and they did it.

daedal

Rents in Dublin double what they were a decade ago, thanks Leo!

ACitizenErased

quokula wrote: »

I'm surprised it needs to be explained, but listening to the right advisors and knowing when and how much to heed their advice is a part of good leadership. No head of government has ever single handedly made every single decision on their own. And if they did it would be pretty disastrous.

Yeah so he doesn't deserve as much credit for handling COVID as many people tend to give him. I'd argue that the CMO is to be commended.

Strumms

He put business and the economy and the wellbeing of, ahead of the health and wellbeing of the ordinary citizen. That’s his legacy. He had the opportunity to act fast when the shït was hitting the fan, he choose not to. The Taoiseach viewed the economy as more important than people staying alive. His slowness to act meant people died.

The hero’s are doctors, nurses, carers and the vast array of health and indeed social staff who’ll get none of the plaudits in the media or certainly very little, but that Leo fella is out in his scrubs getting photographed, all smiles and dollops of insincerity for the opportunity. Tosser, absolute gimp.

He is a vile lizard. The success is thanks to the PEOPLE of this country, who as citizens put their shoulders to the wheel, who sacrificed, put the needs of their country before their own, who did what were the right things over selfish instinctive behavior...Leo is a sham.

whippet

daedal wrote: »

Rents in Dublin double what they were a decade ago, thanks Leo!

double from what base - the bottom of one of the worst recessions in modern history !! its amazing how you can spin anything

_Kaiser_

daedal wrote: »

Rents in Dublin double what they were a decade ago, thanks Leo!

.. and more and more younger people completely priced out of renting or buying in the areas near where they work, have families etc. Traffic congestion back to Tiger era levels.

Many younger couples may never be able to afford a house at all unless it's 2 counties away.

CV-19 obviously has another effect we weren't aware of.. amnesia!

Deebles McBeebles

Leo will go down as one of this countries greatest ever... spoofers?

daedal

whippet wrote: »

double from what base - the bottom of one of the worst recessions in modern history !! its amazing how you can spin anything

Rents never fell during the recession matey

quokula

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Yeah so he doesn't deserve as much credit for handling COVID as many people tend to give him. I'd argue that the CMO is to be commended.

I'd disagree. The CMO should be commended but the success of Ireland's strategy has more to do with the government. There are plenty of obvious examples of countries who have handled things really badly, despite having just as much depth of talent in their public health bodies.

The CMO's role is actually relatively straightforward in many ways as their job is to follow the science and international best practices recommended by the WHO.

The responsibility ultimately falls to the government however to follow that advice and put the necessary resources in place. Unless you think the US or Brazil would be handling things drastically differently if only they'd had the chance to consult with Tony Holohan.

jmayo

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Well when you analyse the competition Haughey, Ahern et al he may well be remembered fondly. Brought Ireland from bust back to solvent and presided over the biggest health crisis in 60 years while being part of a govt that introduced same sex marriage and legalised abortion.

Glaring failure is the absolute state of the HSE but we can all share that failure by being so accepting of it for a generation.

WTF.
Kenny took over in March 2011.
cowans government had to seek a €67.5 billion bailout in Nov 2010 from EU, EFSF & IMF.
The country was a fooking mess.

The government that came in 2011 faced the biggest economic problems this state have faced since the first government in 1922/23.

And Kenny was leader until Jun 2017 by which time a lot of the recovery was well on it's way.

So stop attributing stuff to the leadership of Mr fooking twitter.

From 2011 to 2014 he was minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport.
What are his achievements there ?
From 2014 to 2016 he was minister for Health and please rmeind us what he did there ?
SFA.

He was then Minister for social protection for 1 year or so before becoming leader and Taoiseach.
I think it was around that time he spoke about caring about those that get up early for work.
He forgot about us fairly fooking sharpish, but I guess we are not on twitter and facefook enough.

And Kenny showed that sniveling eejit what real politics is like when he totally outmaneuvered him and that other backstabbing fooker from Meath when they tried to oust him as leader.

BTW you are right the state of HSE is down to all of us.
Because anytime anyone says anything or tries to dare shake it up, all the protected vested interests and the politicians in fear of them back down.

theballz

Thank you for everything Leo. We love you.

JL555

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Well when you analyse the competition Haughey, Ahern et al he may well be remembered fondly. Brought Ireland from bust back to solvent and presided over the biggest health crisis in 60 years while being part of a govt that introduced same sex marriage and legalised abortion.

Glaring failure is the absolute state of the HSE but we can all share that failure by being so accepting of it for a generation.

I think you'll find that the IMF/ bailout program brought Ireland from bust back to a someway fit state. I wouldn't be too quick to give FG all the credit. The bailout rules were quite strict and it didn't matter to me who was in government, it had to happen the way it did unless there was a decision to default on the loans. The national recovery coincided with international recovery and with so much FDI here it was inevitable the recovery would end being so strong (yes it was a worldwide banking crisis, not just an Irish one), yes it's true there was some shady goings on here, but again, not limited to Ireland, look at Greece, a complete basket case, Italy, another disaster.
I think the biggest failing of the government since 2011 is not enough reform in the health service

So Leo, while he makes an attempt at the soundbites, for me, hasn't really delivered in his time as Taoiseach and beforehand.

Pawwed Rig

Why do you think there is so much FDI in Ireland? The pressure to up the CT rate over the last 7 or 8 years has been huge but the govt stood firm.
Compare Ireland to the other countries who got bailouts and you will see how well we are actually doing.

CBear1993

Why isn’t this in after hours / daily one liners?

McMurphy

jmayo wrote: »

WTF.
Kenny took over in March 2011.
cowans government had to seek a €67.5 billion bailout in Nov 2010 from EU, EFSF & IMF.
The country was a fooking mess.

The government that came in 2011 faced the biggest economic problems this state have faced since the first government in 1922/23.

And Kenny was leader until Jun 2017 by which time a lot of the recovery was well on it's way.

So stop attributing stuff to the leadership of Mr fooking twitter.

From 2011 to 2014 he was minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport.
What are his achievements there ?
From 2014 to 2016 he was minister for Health and please rmeind us what he did there ?
SFA.

He was then Minister for social protection for 1 year or so before becoming leader and Taoiseach.
I think it was around that time he spoke about caring about those that get up early for work.
He forgot about us fairly fooking sharpish, but I guess we are not on twitter and facefook enough.

And Kenny showed that sniveling eejit what real politics is like when he totally outmaneuvered him and that other backstabbing fooker from Meath when they tried to oust him as leader.

BTW you are right the state of HSE is down to all of us.
Because anytime anyone says anything or tries to dare shake it up, all the protected vested interests and the politicians in fear of them back down.

And, he didn't even win the popular vote to become leader. Coveney got twice as many votes as Varadkar.

His achievements are short in supply.

James Brown

quokula wrote: »

He moved the country forward overseeing a wave of positive social changes while many of our peers moved backwards.

He oversaw a strong recovery in the economy, improvements in public services and an increase in house building.

His government has weathered the Covid storm admirably, so far seeming to get the balance right on when to lock down and when to open up, in addition to doing very well on things like testing and PPE compared to most countries.

People expect politicians to be magicians who can click their fingers and solve everything overnight, not helped by those who like to stand on the sidelines throwing insults and pretending there are easy answers to complex problems, but in an imperfect world with limited resources our government has performed admirably this past few years.

He exacerbated the housing, homeless and health crises. He oversaw them all break records consistently.
His government followed medical advice thankfully but he managed a nice bunce for pals on private hospital beds.
People expect politicians to at least feign empathy and have some dignity. He never got Kylie did he? If you watch Varadkar being interviewed, anytime he's criticised he either gets in a bratty huff or acts like he couldn't give a f*** ala his movie quotes. A waste of time bit of an arsehole more interested in selfies.

bladespin

the speeches, even as a non-fan I'm loving them.

JL555

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Why do you think there is so much FDI in Ireland? The pressure to up the CT rate over the last 7 or 8 years has been huge but the govt stood firm.
Compare Ireland to the other countries who got bailouts and you will see how well we are actually doing.

Exactly, as I mentioned, Greece a fine example of how not to do thing. But as I say, I wouldn't be giving too much credit to FG, any government worth their salt would have stood against the CT scrutiny from the EU, and as you know we have had significant FDI here for decades. But Ireland is good for the EU, although small, it's considered a success story for the EU.

For Forks Sake

daedal wrote: »

Rents never fell during the recession matey

From Ronan Lyons rental data since 2006....


National:




Dublin:

Strumms

Bowie wrote: »

A waste of time bit of an arsehole more interested in selfies.

Truth. He is an arsehole, I was no fan of Enda, Bertie, and more besides but it was more to do with an incompatible and senseless manner of running the country whereby I just disagreed with what they did and aspects of their vision and running of the country.... with this fûcking prick it’s a whole different ballgame. He’s a sleazeball, he’s not in this job to do his best with the ordinary citizens in mind, front and center. He has proven that. Sound bites, photo ops is all he throws to pacify... he is a moneyman, an actor, he is for the money people at alll costs. Get rid.

Pawwed Rig

JL555 wrote: »

But as I say, I wouldn't be giving too much credit to FG

Kind of like Trump then. No credit for successes but plenty of criticism for failures.

The prudent approach worked well the last number of years. There was no FF spend spend spend or a SF tax tax tax. Prudent budgets are what have this country where it is (albeit somewhat enforced by EU rules).
IMO if they had fixed health and told the truth about homelessness they would be hailed as the best government in the history of the State

Quite possibly the greatest spoofer we've ever had lead a government.

Abysmal failure in each of his three prior ministerial positions and capped it off as an abysmal Taoiseach.

I would say good riddance but then I look at who's coming in the door.

_Kaiser_

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Ok guys. Please explain why Leo has been so great/brilliant etc

- What has he achieved as Taoiseach?
- What did he achieve as a minister under Enda?

Is it just that he's down with social media, can quote movies in speeches and is good at being on the right side of trendy issues? Because those do not a good Taoiseach make.

The aqueducts?

Sanitation?

The roads?

Risingshadoo

I can't stand Leo. Sorry. He's such a smarmy bollix.

theballz

A great man. He is up there with Collins imho.

Strumms

theballz wrote: »

A great man. He is up there with Collins imho.

I agree, Joan Collins.

Madeoface

Strumms wrote: »

I agree, Joan Collins.

Or Ronan Collins .....

punisher5112

Greatest ever shoe boater and one that isn't actually doing what the people want but what his poxy Twitter followers would want....

Yeah great lad....

We voted, we end up getting worse then what we voted for and stick with him....

Strumms

Strumms wrote: »

I agree, Joan Collins.

The socialist TD or the English actress & author?

rom

For Forks Sake wrote: »

From Ronan Lyons rental data since 2006....


National:




Dublin:

It's doublin !