Political correctness in the workplace

Ardent

I work for an IT multinational. Today, after having spoken about IP whitelists and blacklists, I was politely informed by a colleague that I shouldn't use that terminology as it has racial connotations.

Sure enough, looking at our handbook, we have a list of terms we are discouraged from using, e.g., "rule of thumb" (violent implications). I know one fella here even got pulled aside for saying that customer support folks are the "shepherds" of the customer experience.

Anyone else experiencing this madness where they work?

Arghus

I don't believe you OP.

callmehal

Are you just making this up? I don't believe a word. Your tall tales don't fool me. You don't work in IT.

One eyed Jack

Ardent wrote: »

Anyone else experiencing this madness where they work?

No, thank fcuk :pac:

The worst I get is people saying they’ll ‘ping’ me, incredibly annoying, but I’d feel silly making anything of it.

gmisk

Ardent wrote: »

I work for an IT multinational. Today, after having spoken about IP whitelists and blacklists, I was politely informed by a colleague that I shouldn't use that terminology as it has racial connotations.

Sure enough, looking at our handbook, we have a list of terms we are discouraged from using, e.g., "rule of thumb" (violent implications). I know one fella here even got pulled aside for saying that customer support folks are the "shepherds" of the customer experience.

Anyone else experiencing this madness where they work?

Er that is bizarre imo
The rule of thumb one is especially mad...
This can't be real?
I work in IT and people use these terms all the time. I would think the CS would likely to be more PC if anything than a private company.

Collie D

Ardent wrote: »

I work for an IT multinational. Today, after having spoken about IP whitelists and blacklists, I was politely informed by a colleague that I shouldn't use that terminology as it has racial connotations.

Sure enough, looking at our handbook, we have a list of terms we are discouraged from using, e.g., "rule of thumb" (violent implications). I know one fella here even got pulled aside for saying that customer support folks are the "shepherds" of the customer experience.

Anyone else experiencing this madness where they work?

I’d have taken great pleasure in firing that ****.

Ardent

Arghus wrote: »

I don't believe you OP.

callmehal wrote:

Are you just making this up? I don't believe a word. Your tall tales don't fool me. You don't work in IT.

Guys, I am not joking. This is real.

In fact, "guys" is highly discouraged as well, as it's not inclusive language.

John Hutton

Used to sell health insurance and would spend my days listening to nice auld ones telling me about their medical misadventures.

Got reamed out of it by a manager for saying "thank God" during these conversations.

Don't work in call centres kids

corner of hells

Ardent wrote: »

I work for an IT multinational. Today, after having spoken about IP whitelists and blacklists, I was politely informed by a colleague that I shouldn't use that terminology as it has racial connotations.

Sure enough, looking at our handbook, we have a list of terms we are discouraged from using, e.g., "rule of thumb" (violent implications). I know one fella here even got pulled aside for saying that customer support folks are the "shepherds" of the customer experience.

Anyone else experiencing this madness where they work?

Ya , you can no longer have "manholes" marked on drawings , you can only have "person holes " , dont even mention "women holes".

IamMetaldave

Ardent wrote: »

I work for an IT multinational. Today, after having spoken about IP whitelists and blacklists,

This fella was looking into alternatives 8 years ago...

and another person on the forum makes this point -

There is no evidence that I have seen that deems the term 'Blacklist' to be offensive; in fact it is valid computer terminology. Being blacklisted is a negative term, but that is the point of the word: Black and White are contrasting.

If you need other terms then it's easy to go with 'Blocked List' but then you're left with the opposing side being an 'allowed-list' which isn't as cognitively associated with 'Blocked' as 'Black' is with 'White'.

There are no racist connotations here unless you are wanting to find one; just as there is no racist connotations to being 'Blackballed', or having a 'Black book'.

For some extra reference: Black and White are also used in a software testing capacity - black-box testing and white-box testing and these are perfectly acceptable and non-offensive terms.

CageWager

Wait till the Google and Facebook offices reopen. They’ll force everyone to take a knee before every meeting. Having said that, I’m sure they’ll make an exception for any men or women who may be pregnant or menstruating. Fair is fair.

It's a thing

Ardent

Collie D wrote: »

I’d have taken great pleasure in firing that ****.

Wow, when did we get so thin-skinned about a turn of phrase that's been used for hundreds of years?

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a thing

And it started out as such an innocent word. For such an august organisation that's pretty stupid but these are the times.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacklisting

SeanW

The whitelist/blacklist thing is true, GitHub just discouraged the terms on its platform, along with Master and Slave. That last one might be a problem for anyone doing anything with Parallel ATA, a.ka. IDE disk drives, but fortunately those have not been used in new systems for over a decade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umw-YxJAdoM&t=516s

sameoldname

Are accountants going to have to stop using "In the black/In the red"? "Logic" would dictate that it casts Native Americans in a bad light compared to people of African decent...

...Apparently.

TuringBot47

Ardent wrote: »

I work for an IT multinational. Today, after having spoken about IP whitelists and blacklists, I was politely informed by a colleague that I shouldn't use that terminology as it has racial connotations.

Yep, about a decade ago we were asked to avoid using the term "blacklist" in a product feature. Think we actually used "blocklist" instead.

Randle P. McMurphy

I can't figure out what's wrong or offensive about 'rule of thumb' or 'shepherds' Maybe somebody could enlighten me.

Collie D

Ardent wrote: »

Wow, when did we get so thin-skinned about a turn of phrase that's been used for hundreds of years?

“Shepherds of the customer experience” is not hundreds of years old. I’m happy to be corrected but that’s definitely corporate bollocks you hear in meetings usually spouted by someone with nothing useful to add.

Ardent

Randle P. McMurphy wrote: »

I can't figure out what's wrong or offensive about 'rule of thumb' or 'shepherds' Maybe somebody could enlighten me.

Shepherd is gender specific. We prefer gender neutral language.

The 'rule of thumb' has been said to derive from the belief that English law allowed a man to beat his wife with a stick so long as it is was no thicker than his thumb.

Kaybaykwah

Ardent wrote: »

Shepherd is gender specific. We prefer gender neutral language.

The 'rule of thumb' has been said to derive from the belief that English law allowed a man to beat his wife with a stick so long as it is was no thicker than his thumb.

The expression "Customer experience" is vomit inducing. A female employee would be called "shepherdess", and that in itself is something to trip over in a Little-Bo-Peep kind of way. Just disregard my use of Peep. Jeez.

Randle P. McMurphy

Ardent wrote: »

Shepherd is gender specific. We prefer gender neutral language.

The 'rule of thumb' has been said to derive from the belief that English law allowed a man to beat his wife with a stick so long as it is was no thicker than his thumb.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

PsychoPete

No political correctness at my workplace, we all know to leave our feelings at home

jackboy

Ardent wrote: »

Shepherd is gender specific. We prefer gender neutral language.

Sheep herder may be more appropriate.

Yester

Kaybaykwah wrote: »

The expression "Customer experience" is vomit inducing. A female employee would be called "shepherdess", and that in itself is something to trip over in a Little-Bo-Peep kind of way. Just disregard my use of Peep. Jeez.

You can't say "little" anymore. It's just "Bo" now.

MrMusician18

corner of hells wrote: »

Ya , you can no longer have "manholes" marked on drawings , you can only have "person holes " , dont even mention "women holes".

Nah, not true in Ireland at least. You might get the odd person call them a chamber but that generally refers to the smaller plastic ones, for drains anyway.

Power and comms lines are accessed through service pits and chambers, not manholes.

Kaybaykwah

Yester wrote: »

You can't say "little" anymore. It's just "Bo" now.

Lol. I suppose Bo is also construed as a sexist term related to Beau. Belle would make it seem like a White privilege term relative to its connoted meaning of Southern Belle. Welcome to Looney Tunes, Folks!

angel eyes 2012

One of the senior directors in my workplace, an absolute gentleman, was introducing two female managers who are responsible for training, to new staff as part of induction training. He introduced them as "these two girls beside me are Mary and Jane..."

One of the new staff members interrupts him and told him he can't call them that, they are women, not girls. He was absolutely taken aback and mortified and so were the two women beside him.

Ardent

angel eyes 2012 wrote: »

One of the senior directors in my workplace, an absolute gentleman, was introducing two female managers who are responsible for training, to new staff as part of induction training. He introduced them as "these two girls beside me are Mary and Jane..."

One of the new staff members interrupts him and told him he can't call them that, they are women, not girls. He was absolutely taken aback and mortified and so were the two women beside him.

I can understand why someone might take issue with what he said. But don't be such a douchebag putting him on the spot like that. This is the problem with the perpetually offended - they have to be assholes about it.

Mrs OBumble

It's not political correctness: PC really just means plain courtesy.

Black/white anyghing should be gone years ago. Among other things, some cultures associate different connotations with white, so it actually hinders business communication.

Ditto kill lists and master / slave anythings.

It really is time for you to move into the 21st century.

Gruffalux

It has not infiltrated where I work, thank goodness, but then we are all jaded old misanthropes who use cursing and banter and merciless jibing at each other to help us plough on everyday through the mountain. Behind all the shocking lack of political correctness we are good to each other and have a laugh. Long may it last.

CalamariFritti

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

It's not political correctness: PC really just means plain courtesy.

Black/white anyghing should be gone years ago. Among other things, some cultures associate different connotations with white, so it actually hinders business communication.

Ditto kill lists and master / slave anythings.

It really is time for you to move into the 21st century.

Why don't we ban the actual colours black and white? And maybe red and yellow and brown as well. Just in case. We define these colours as non-existent and then we've jumped straight ahead into the 22nd century. Everyone's happy.

JJJJNR

Its been like that for a long time in IT, I once said a printer was black with ink as it had leaked the contents of its ink cartridge and was asked not to refer to something that was dirty as black, (even though it was black (there I said it again)) ink.

GoatBoy74

Ardent wrote: »

I work for an IT multinational. Today, after having spoken about IP whitelists and blacklists, I was politely informed by a colleague that I shouldn't use that terminology as it has racial connotations.

Sure enough, looking at our handbook, we have a list of terms we are discouraged from using, e.g., "rule of thumb" (violent implications). I know one fella here even got pulled aside for saying that customer support folks are the "shepherds" of the customer experience.

Anyone else experiencing this madness where they work?

Nah me and my colleagues are mad racist, sexist and xenophobic but our bishop doesn’t seem to mind , he just tells us to read the black book in the top drawer.

razorblunt

Chinese Wall > Information Barrier.


Won’t be able to parent and child tables pretty soon too. Discriminates against infertile people (lucky bastards).

KungPao

Next Spanish people will be told not use the word negro.

Blanco and opuesto de blanco they’ll say.

cannotlogin

We are currently in the age of the offended. It's very easy tell if someone intends to offend you or not and that should be the crux of all this.

I witnessed one of the nicest most inoffensive manager I know explaining a new process and referred to man hours verses machine hours and he was pulled up on it and advised that as 46% of the team were female that it has to stop using the term. Completely ott imo.

Someone working in HR told me that the use of team leader is becoming preferable to manager as apparently manager suggests it should be a man. More excessive nonsense.

SeanW

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

It's not political correctness: PC really just means plain courtesy.

Black/white anyghing should be gone years ago. Among other things, some cultures associate different connotations with white, so it actually hinders business communication.

Ditto kill lists and master / slave anythings.

It really is time for you to move into the 21st century.

Parallel ATA drives were still in common use in the first decade of the 21st century. There are probably still a few in service today.

BarnardsLoop

Oh God, is it really "it's political correctness GONE MAD, Joe!"-o-clock again already? Hey how about a dole "scroungers" thread? Haven't had one of those for a few seconds. Jesus...

Gruffalux

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Oh God, is it really "it's political correctness GONE MAD, Joe!"-o-clock again already? Hey how about a dole "scroungers" thread? Haven't had one of those for a few seconds. Jesus...

Well you're the one with Loop in your name

Hoboo

cannotlogin wrote: »

Someone working in HR told me that the use of team leader is becoming preferable to manager as apparently manager suggests it should be a man. More excessive nonsense.

I think they have it arseways. Leader has over the past 15 years has become the preferred modern term with a distinct set of values and approaches such as autonomy and flexibility, as apposed to the old term manager with a more crack the whip over the shoulder approach and style. It has been proven to be the most successful style for the majority of senior leadership (management if you wish) roles. It's been a pretty loud drum for a long time in HR.

Zero to do with man.

Zebra3

Have to admit, I had no idea that "shepherd" was a gender specific term.

cannotlogin

Hoboo wrote: »

I think they have it arseways. Leader has over the past 15 years has become the preferred modern term with a distinct set of values and approaches such as autonomy and flexibility, as apposed to the old term manager with a more crack the whip over the shoulder approach and style. It has been proven to be the most successful style for the majority of senior leadership (management if you wish) roles. It's been a pretty loud drum for a long time in HR.

Zero to do with man.

Totally agree with you but to have a very young person in HR tell me that made me laugh. That's what she genuinely believes and so do her colleagues!

Risingshadoo

Ardent wrote: »

I work for an IT multinational. Today, after having spoken about IP whitelists and blacklists, I was politely informed by a colleague that I shouldn't use that terminology as it has racial connotations.

Sure enough, looking at our handbook, we have a list of terms we are discouraged from using, e.g., "rule of thumb" (violent implications). I know one fella here even got pulled aside for saying that customer support folks are the "shepherds" of the customer experience.

Anyone else experiencing this madness where they work?

I think you ought to hand in your notice, and go to work in an Irish company, where people are sane.

Hoboo

Hoboo wrote: »

I think they have it arseways. Leader has over the past 15 years has become the preferred modern term with a distinct set of values and approaches such as autonomy and flexibility, as apposed to the old term manager with a more crack the whip over the shoulder approach and style. It has been proven to be the most successful style for the majority of senior leadership (management if you wish) roles. It's been a pretty loud drum for a long time in HR.

Zero to do with man.

This wrecks my head too..

There are a lot of things one has to be before he should be considered a leader..
You've every dope going around thinking they're one these days..

wally1990

angel eyes 2012 wrote: »

One of the senior directors in my workplace, an absolute gentleman, was introducing two female managers who are responsible for training, to new staff as part of induction training. He introduced them as "these two girls beside me are Mary and Jane..."

One of the new staff members interrupts him and told him he can't call them that, they are women, not girls. He was absolutely taken aback and mortified and so were the two women beside him.

'' one of the new staff members ''

Ah no...... Tough road ahead for that person's manager

Ardent

Risingshadoo wrote: »

I think you ought to hand in your notice, and go to work in an Irish company, where people are sane.

Despite all the PC nonsense and identity politics, it's a brilliant place to work.

Nicky88

Ardent wrote: »

I work for an IT multinational. Today, after having spoken about IP whitelists and blacklists, I was politely informed by a colleague that I shouldn't use that terminology as it has racial connotations.

Sure enough, looking at our handbook, we have a list of terms we are discouraged from using, e.g., "rule of thumb" (violent implications). I know one fella here even got pulled aside for saying that customer support folks are the "shepherds" of the customer experience.

Anyone else experiencing this madness where they work?

You sound like you have a small willy

JohnnyFlash

Tough for plumbers these days.

'Can I have 6 ballcocks, 4 nipple rings, a reamer, 3 male to female connectors, two bags of half inch o-rings, and 8 lengths of rigid waste pipe'.

Risingshadoo

Ardent wrote: »

Despite all the PC nonsense and identity politics, it's a brilliant place to work.

If someone told me i couldn't used words like whitelist or blacklist... I'd just stare at them and say "what are you like".

JohnnyFlash

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Tough for plumbers these days.

'Can I have 6 ballcocks, 4 nipple rings, a reamer, 3 male to female connectors, two bags of half inch o-rings, and 8 lengths of rigid waste pipe'.

They like the pipe though..