Post modern progressiveness

Chris_Heilong

Post modern progressiveness.
From my perspective I see the world the way it is now and can not agree with the direction it is going.

News,TV/film and social media companies all seem to be afflicted by what I would describe as an extreme ideology, and the worrying part is these are all the establishments of public influence.

'Current day Progressivism' is fueled by Identitarianism and the ladder of oppression which are a horrible way to view the world and not reflective of reality at all, Many have been indoctrinated into this way of thinking in University and are now in positions of influence and power where they can spread their way of thinking. If you have heard words like white privilege, cis, reverse racism or even unconscious bias then they all come from this ideology. People getting fired for having an opinion is almost hard to believe if we have not become so numb to it as it has happened so many times recently.

I see this as a cult very like the Sparrows on Game of thrones and so many are signing up to it thinking they are following the virtuous path. I have not heard outlets use words like racist/Nazi/****phobe in my entire life as i have heard over the last 4 years. I still believe normal people are still mostly unaware of all this but little by little it will effect them and they will not even see it coming until they somehow sin against this new doctrine. Things are only going to get worse as some of these ideas are becoming the norm. There are so many other fascists to it I would be writing pages to cover it all so I will leave my interpretation there. What is your take for or against.

Clarence Boddiker

It is absolutely a Cult, there's no other way to describe it.
A cult with all the hallmarks and the fervour of a type of extreme religious puritanism.

Silentcorner

Essentially young people with little purpose have been radicalized as a consequence of new communication platforms we don't yet fully understand...stirred up by ideologues in US colleges who no one ever took seriously.

It has given us a putrid culture...you know, mass movements are never easy to define, but this one will wreck culture and will give nothing back....there is nothing that is being created today or the last number of years that will be appreciated in the decades to come.

They destroy culture because they know deep down they can't create anything better....it is a consequence of a somewhat depressed state.

I feel sorry for the people who have gotten sucked into it, who "identify" themselves by their shallow beliefs that invariably consist of a version of a deluded oppression fantasy.

The backlash is going to be very hard on them.

riffmongous

If I didn't come on to boards and hear people bitching about it over and over I wouldn't even know what you are on about

Silentcorner

riffmongous wrote: »

If I didn't come on to boards and hear people bitching about it over and over I wouldn't even know what you are on about

I somehow doubt that...they are tearing down statues at the moment in large cities in the US and UK.

sid waddell

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

There are so many other fascists to it I would be writing pages to cover it all

Weird how you were complaining about people being called fascists and then you started ranting about people being fascists.

riffmongous

Silentcorner wrote: »

I somehow doubt that...they are tearing down statues at the moment in large cities in the US and UK.

A statue of a slave trader getting pulled down doesn't need much ideology behind it

Silentcorner

riffmongous wrote: »

A statue of a slave trader getting pulled down doesn't need much ideology behind it

I believe the statue was of a man who donated a huge amount of money to charity, money he made from the then legal slave trade....but let's not pretend that was the only statue pulled down or damaged.

sid waddell

Silentcorner wrote: »

Essentially young people with little purpose have been radicalized as a consequence of new communication platforms we don't yet fully understand...stirred up by ideologues in US colleges who no one ever took seriously.

You've completely contradicted yourself within one sentence there.

Joe Columbo

riffmongous wrote: »

A statue of a slave trader getting pulled down doesn't need much ideology behind it

I assume you'll be in favour of the Guardian newspaper's building being destroyed aswell?

sid waddell

Silentcorner wrote: »

I believe the statue was of a man who donated a huge amount of money to charity, money he made from the then legal slave trade....but let's not pretend that was the only statue pulled down or damaged.

Were you outraged when the statues of Stalin and Lenin were torn down in 1989 or the statue of Saddam Hussein was torn down in 2003?

2u2me

Post-modern progressives reject the ideas of the enightenment. Everything is subjective, nothing is objective and it's all about power.

They have a lot to do with many of the problems we're seeing today.
I see they are now trying to cancel STEM.

The very thing designed to remove our biases from things in the first place. They have a horrible way of uninventing things.

Silentcorner

sid waddell wrote: »

Were you outraged when the statues of Stalin and Lenin were torn down in 1989 or the statue of Saddam Hussein was torn down in 2003?

I'm no historian but I can see the appreciate the difference between two men who's toxic ideology and policies led to the murder and starvation of tens of millions of people and someone like Winston Churchill.

I can also appreciate the difference between Saddam Hussein and George Washington

Junkyard Tom

Don't be scared. You'll be okay.

joe40

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Post modern progressiveness.
From my perspective I see the world the way it is now and can not agree with the direction it is going.

News,TV/film and social media companies all seem to be afflicted by what I would describe as an extreme ideology, and the worrying part is these are all the establishments of public influence.

'Current day Progressivism' is fueled by Identitarianism and the ladder of the oppression which are a horrible way to view the world and not reflective of reality at all, Many have been indoctrinated into this way of thinking in University and are now in positions of influence and power where they can spread their way of thinking. If you have heard words like white privilege, cis, reverse racism or even unconscious bias then they all come from this ideology. People getting fired for having an opinion is almost hard to believe if we have not become so numb to it as it has happened so many times recently.

I see this as a cult very like the Sparrows on Game of thrones and so many are signing up to it thinking they are following the virtuous path. I have not heard outlets use words like racist/Nazi/****phobe in my entire life as i have heard over the last 4 years. I still believe normal people are still mostly unaware of all this but little by little it will effect them and they will not even see it coming until they somehow sin against this new doctrine. Things are only going to get worse as some of these ideas are becoming the norm. There are so many other fascists to it I would be writing pages to cover it all so I will leave my interprtation there. What is your take for or against.

So "normal people are unaware of this"

Why are you not a normal person?

BobCobb

sid waddell wrote: »

Weird how you were complaining about people being called fascists and then you started ranting about people being fascists.

I presume he meant facets

KiKi III

The other day I had a thoughtful conversation with a taxi driver about mental health during Covid.

During it, I politely explained that these days a lot of people try not to use the phrase “committed suicide” because it harks back to the day when suicide was a crime and is stigmatising. Then I gave him some alternative phrases he could consider using.

We kept chatting and wished each other all the best. It was a pleasant conversation. Maybe he’ll forget what I said immediately, maybe he’ll use a different phrase in future.

Either way, it didn’t seem like I was trying to indoctrinate him into a cult by using more sensitive language.

joe40

My serious answer is no, I'm not particularly worried the way society is headed. Overall the western world is a lot more just and fair than it was even 20 years ago.

Could you imagine something like marriage equality even been discussed in Ireland in the 1990s.

We barely passed the divorce referendum. We have come a long way.

osarusan

Us straight white males gotta stick together in the face of identity politics.

Before we are extinct.

sid waddell

Silentcorner wrote: »

I'm no historian but I can see the appreciate the difference between two men who's toxic ideology and policies led to the murder and starvation of tens of millions of people and someone like Winston Churchill.

I can also appreciate the difference between Saddam Hussein and George Washington

Winston Churchill's ideology led to the murder and starvation of millions of people.

Were you outraged when the statues of Stalin, Lenin and Saddam Hussein fell?

Why not answer the question?

KiKi III

osarusan wrote: »

Us straight white males gotta stick together in the face of identity politics.

Absolutely. You are truly oppressed.

Silentcorner

sid waddell wrote: »

Winston Churchill's ideology led to the murder and starvation of millions of people.

Were you outraged when the statues of Stalin, Lenin and Saddam Hussein fell?

Why not answer the question?

Because I was a child at the time....

sid waddell

KiKi III wrote: »

The other day I had a thoughtful conversation with a taxi driver about mental health during Covid.

During it, I politely explained that these days a lot of people try not to use the phrase “committed suicide” because it harks back to the day when suicide was a crime and is stigmatising. Then I gave him some alternative phrases he could consider using.

We kept chatting and wished each other all the best. It was a pleasant conversation. Maybe he’ll forget what I said immediately, maybe he’ll use a different phrase in future.

Either way, it didn’t seem like I was trying to indoctrinate him into a cult by using more sensitive language.

There'll be lads here who think you're trying to oppress them.

You can tell a lot about a person by what annoys them.

sid waddell

2u2me wrote: »

Post-modern progressives reject the ideas of the enightenment. Everything is subjective, nothing is objective and it's all about power.

Trump is a "post-modern progressive"?

This is getting really confusing.

sid waddell

sid waddell wrote: »

Winston Churchill's ideology led to the murder and starvation of millions of people.

Were you outraged when the statues of Stalin, Lenin and Saddam Hussein fell?

Why not answer the question?

Silentcorner wrote: »

Because I was a child at the time....

You were a child when I asked the question six minutes ago?

Junkyard Tom

osarusan wrote: »

Us straight white males gotta stick together

I'm well up for it..



...but I'll have to run it by the missus first.

bloodless_coup

Just saw a film "based on a true story" where they replaced a male with a fictional female and made her the heroic superwoman saviour.

I was enjoying the film and decided to look up the real story. Not even surprised to see the female was a fabrication. Par for the course.

Don't bother watching The Aeronauts.

sid waddell

bloodless_coup wrote: »

Just saw a film "based on a true story" where they replaced a male with a fictional female and made her the heroic superwoman saviour.

I was enjoying the film and decided to look up the real story. Not even surprised to see the female was a fabrication. Par for the course.

Don't bother watching The Aeronauts.

Were you outraged?

bloodless_coup

sid waddell wrote: »

Were you outraged?

Do I sound outraged?

KiKi III

bloodless_coup wrote: »

Just saw a film "based on a true story" where they replaced a male with a fictional female and made her the heroic superwoman saviour.

I was enjoying the film and decided to look up the real story. Not even surprised to see the female was a fabrication. Par for the course.

Don't bother watching The Aeronauts.

So, you were enjoying a film but now recommend people don’t watch it because they cast a woman in the lead?

BobCobb

I used to be very open minded and what could be termed 'progressive' I guess. Then when my life started going to ****, I guess I became more intolerant to a degree and perhaps finding myself drawn to a traditional identity - perhaps if one feels weak or impotent (not like that ), one tends to seek shelter in their 'tribe'. For me, these more right-wing type feelings are mostly borne out of anger...


With that being said, I am a little concerned about the seeming rise of certain topics being off-limits for discussion, in favour of promoting a certain view of what's right as fact. Not sure if I'm making sense here, but I am reminded of the lyrics of the Radiohead song Fitter Happier, and worry that being a 'right-thinking' citizen is going to become more and more obligatory in the not too distant future.


But maybe it was always so, and certainly, you can talk a lot more bizarre **** nowadays than you probably could ever in history without getting a clip around the ear at best!
Maybe, the problem is just being drowned in so much media ****e from all angles now, especially via the internet.
Or maybe I just should go to bed

Manach

This is nothing new, but instead an Iconoclastic mob mentality that periodically surfaces - the breaking of statues, the torching of buildings, the ever-changing standards of ideology purity that are needed for being amongst the elect. These occured during the Dissolution of the Monostries, the French Revolution, The Commune and of course the Great Cultural Revolution. Doublely ironic for this modern rational, post-X secular Ireland is the way this has become the new mores and morals : replacing the old faith and family bonds.

A good primer for this current insanity: The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity by Douglas Murray

sid waddell

BobCobb wrote: »

I presume he meant facets

It's so easy to get fascists and facets mixed up.

Especially for a facet, as the OP is.

bloodless_coup

KiKi III wrote: »

So, you were enjoying a film but now recommend people don’t watch it because they cast a woman in the lead?

Good reading comprehension.

Silentcorner

2u2me wrote: »

Post-modern progressives reject the ideas of the enightenment. Everything is subjective, nothing is objective and it's all about power.

They have a lot to do with many of the problems we're seeing today.
I see they are now trying to cancel STEM.

The very thing designed to remove our biases from things in the first place. They have a horrible way of uninventing things.

Now that is dangerous...it's one thing filling hollywood movies with this religious zealotry and pulling down statues it's another to completely attack the one part of Academia we actually depend on!

2u2me

KiKi III wrote: »

The other day I had a thoughtful conversation with a taxi driver[...]
I politely explained [...]
I gave him some alternative phrases [...]
It was a pleasant conversation.

It doesn't sound very pleasant for him. Did he have a chance to leave while you were politely explaining and giving him alternative phrases?

sid waddell

Manach wrote: »

This is nothing new, but instead an Iconoclastic mob mentality that periodically surfaces - the breaking of statues, the torching of buildings, the ever-changing standards of ideology purity that are needed for being amongst the elect. These occured during the Dissolution of the Monostries, the French Revolution, The Commune and of course the Great Cultural Revolution. Doublely ironic for this modern rational, post-X secular Ireland is the way this has become the new mores and morals : replacing the old faith and family bonds.

A good primer for this current insanity: The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity by Douglas Murray

What's "insane" about removing statues of slaveholders?

I love the way threads like these are full of hurt feelings from posters at being labelled, and then, wait for it, we get a load of posters who agree with the OP throwing around the exact sort of labels they were complaining about in the first place.

Almost like they're complaining about themselves!

KiKi III

bloodless_coup wrote: »

Good reading comprehension.

Fair enough, seems a little OTT to allow a casting choice to ruin a film you were enjoying though.

By the way, while the Titanic was a real ship, the romance between a lovable steerage class rogue and a high class lady was all made up. Hope that doesn’t spoil the film for ya.

Silentcorner

KiKi III wrote: »

Fair enough, seems a little OTT to allow a casting choice to ruin a film you were enjoying though.

By the way, while the Titanic was a real ship, the romance between a lovable steerage class rogue and a high class lady was all made up. Hope that doesn’t spoil the film for ya.

I don't think you understand....it'd be like replacing Erin Brockovich with an Eddie Brockovich...it's just plain dishonest.

sid waddell

KiKi III wrote: »

Fair enough, seems a little OTT to allow a casting choice to ruin a film you were enjoying though.

By the way, while the Titanic was a real ship, the romance between a lovable steerage class rogue and a high class lady was all made up. Hope that doesn’t spoil the film for ya.

The far right wants to ban fictional stories - except in political ads.

KiKi III

Silentcorner wrote: »

I don't think you understand....it'd be like replacing Erin Brockovich with an Eddie Brockovich...it's just plain dishonest.

I don’t think you understand... based on a true story almost always means “very very loosely based on a true story”.

I had a similar experience recently with Unorthodox on Netflix. I really enjoyed it and then I found out there are quite a few differences to the real story it’s based on.

But it’s an interesting, well made show so I’d still happily recommend it.

irishguitarlad

Did you swallow the complete works of Jordan Peterson Op?

KiKi III

Meth Brain wrote: »

Sure wasn't Michael Collins actually a black lesbian transsexual?

No, that was Dev.

2u2me

Silentcorner wrote: »

Now that is dangerous...it's one thing filling hollywood movies with this religious zealotry and pulling down statues it's another to completely attack the one part of Academia we actually depend on!

STEM murders black people; so it needs to be abolished.

Academia and STEM are global endeavors that sustain a racist system, where Black people are murdered. No matter where you physically live, you impact and are impacted by this moment in history. This is not exclusive to the United States. We must all work against anti-Black racism.

https://twitter.com/EstOdek/status/1273576414365843458

KiKi III

2u2me wrote: »

It doesn't sound very pleasant for him. Did he have a chance to leave while you were politely explaining and giving him alternative phrases?

It was very much a two-way conversation, and an
enjoyable one. He had lost two friends to suicide during Covid and I was on my way home from a funeral, which is why the conversation went in that direction.

I was deliberately gentle in how I put it to him, and it took about 30 seconds of a 15 minute conversation.

It was a very human conversation, each of us expressing empathy for the other’s loss; discussing the differences with deaths during Covid; sharing thoughts on the future.

Then we wished each other the best and went on our own ways.

Feel free to continue assuming the worst about me anyway though.

Girly Gal

joe40 wrote: »

My serious answer is no, I'm not particularly worried the way society is headed. Overall the western world is a lot more just and fair than it was even 20 years ago.

Could you imagine something like marriage equality even been discussed in Ireland in the 1990s.

We barely passed the divorce referendum. We have come a long way.

Is society really better now than it was 20 years ago, I'm not so sure. People were friendlier and more easily going back then, there was a greater since of community and togetherness, of course for the LGBT community things are better now, but, that's just one sector of society, for overall society in general I think things are no better and probably worse. With social media young people's lives in particular are under constant scrutiny, mistakes they make can't be forgotten about as it's already online, leading to increased mental health issues. People no longer know their neighbours and lead increasingly shallow and materialistic lives. We have all given up more of our privacy(online personal data)than we realise.
Debating issues in a civilised manner is much more difficult now, no room for compromise, you're either 100% with us or against us, this goes for both sides.

Remember that the catholic church had already lost or was losing most of it influence and power 20 years ago. In the intervening years they have been replaced by so called progressive ideology who preach tolerance, with the exception of those who dare to disagree with them. We have safe spaces and the constantly offended, people seem to be less resilient. Society is alot more shallow and less genuine than at any point in history, optics and style is now given more priority than substance.

KiKi III

Meth Brain wrote: »

Honest question, why did you feel the need to lecture this man about his choice of language?

I didn’t lecture him. That’s a narrative you’re trying to push that doesn’t fit with the reality of what happened because of an idea you’ve made up about who I am in your head based on a few posts here.

Mr. Karate

Meth Brain wrote: »

Sure wasn't Michael Collins actually a black lesbian transsexual?

RTE will most likely portray him as such the next time they do a documentary on him [BBC is already stuff like that so its only a matter of time before RTE follows suit]

Mr. Karate

2u2me wrote: »

STEM murders black people; so it needs to be abolished.



https://twitter.com/EstOdek/status/1273576414365843458

That's a whole lot of nonsense just to say "This course is a lot of work and we don't want to do it."

FVP3

Manach wrote: »

This is nothing new, but instead an Iconoclastic mob mentality that periodically surfaces - the breaking of statues, the torching of buildings, the ever-changing standards of ideology purity that are needed for being amongst the elect. These occured during the Dissolution of the Monostries, the French Revolution, The Commune and of course the Great Cultural Revolution. Doublely ironic for this modern rational, post-X secular Ireland is the way this has become the new mores and morals : replacing the old faith and family bonds.

A good primer for this current insanity: The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity by Douglas Murray

A lot of it is northern European as well (including France), with the exception of China which also has periodic generation insanity.

You also missed out Salem witches ( and what are TERFS but modern day witches).

So while Columbus statues are falling the US, they remaining standing proud in Southern and Central America, Spain and Italy. Eastern Europe is largely immune too.

KiKi III

Meth Brain wrote: »

It seems you felt the need to correct his language and 'improve' him. I find interesting that women do this.

I find it interesting that you see this as a female characteristic. I find men on Boards awfully defensive at this time of evening.