Possible to work part time as a community pharmacist?

bo0li5eumx12kp

I'm hanging in the balance as to choice of physiotherapy or pharmacy as career path.
"Torn", you could say.

Yes I've contact faculty directors and basically been given green light for admission application to either.

My concern regarding pharmacy is,
1) 5 year program vs 3 year physio
2) And this is the main one - (I realize I had another thread on this recently but didn't get sufficient clarity before it was locked) - working hours;

As a pharmacist, is it actually necessary to work 5 days typical 8 to 9 hour day (sometimes 10, depending I assume)?
Can you simply roster yourself to do 2 or 3 days?

See my lifestyle is not expensive. I just need money for the basics.
Hell I try to stay green so don't even use a car.
Costs are low, and priority is do muh job, not let muh job do me.

Feedback I got in the other thread was, community pharmacy is taxing, long hours, stressful - not the easy life.

Is there any way to make it the easy life?

Just schedule hours so you don't have to do as much, albeit for a smaller paycheck?

Or is it more so, if your contracted to a position, expect to do the 40 to 50 hour work week, no exceptions.


As always, your feedback is profoundly appreciated.

locum-motion

You made it painfully obvious in your previous thread that you have nothing but contempt for pharmacists, despite not having a phucking clue what we do.

Just go away.

You’re only trolling.

bo0li5eumx12kp

locum-motion wrote: »

You made it painfully obvious in your previous thread that you have nothing but contempt for pharmacists, despite not having a phucking clue what we do.

Just go away.

You’re only trolling.

Your wrong, cuz.

Due to lack of response here I DM'd the contributors from the other thread, and await elucidation.

The question at hand stands (don't know if I mentioned but, this is my 2nd opportunity at college - I'm not gonna have a 3rd), is it known that pharmacists can work more like 20 hour weeks if they shift the schedule in their favour?

That would be 2 days, or 30 hour weeks by way of 3 days.

Ees posible?

Do any pharmacists do this?

Or it a min 40 hour work week like engineering (which was more 50 to 60 hour week), no half measures.

All in or you're all out type of deal?

Or is there more leeway with pharmacy?

Water John

You think physio is easier work than pharamacy?

Mjolnir

I know someone that works in their local pharmacists part time.
Physio has a lot of obstacles when going private, you start out no one knows you and you'll have a low client base. You'll also spend your days taking knots out of people thats where a lot of the private physio work is at the minute. Its also not a gold mine I know several, none are extremely well off or some aren't even comfortable and struggle getting clients.
Both will require intensive course work, pharmacist students aren't allowed to be paid on placement either.
If you want a job that brings in enough in 20 hours per week why not just take up thai massage or the like?

Mjolnir

Water John wrote: »

You think physio is easier work than pharamacy?

given the physical effort mine has to exert to try remove some of my knots not even the most extreme it definitely isn't.

Water John

Not sure and will check, but I thought the dictat that pharma placements couldn't be paid was reconsidered.
Have a family member doing it so, it affects me financially.

Mjolnir

Water John wrote: »

Not sure and will check, but I thought the dictat that pharma placements couldn't be paid was reconsidered.
Have a family member doing it so, it affects me financially.

Could be changed or changing recently last I heard about it was everyone campaigning for change I'm open to correction. Miles from my area of study so haven't kept up on it . Even if the bans been removed it will most certainly be optional. We know what this country is like for optionally paid workers

Water John

In fairness a family member did accounting and was paid a reasonable amount, €200/week. Not one of the famous five though.

Mjolnir

Water John wrote: »

In fairness a family member did accounting and was paid a reasonable amount, €200/week. Not one of the famous five though.

All depends on the employer and degree really.
Was that placement during college?
Top 5 for law and accounting are incredibly competitive because of what they do offer. Its funny really because what they offer is what attracts the talent and makes the money to let them offer what they do.

Water John

Yeah. Don't know what the five offer but they are though to work for. If you go with them after college, all except EY don't give you any time off to study for your exams.

The argument being made about pharmacy was, that the pharmacist was evaluating your work placement and paying the student would compromise that.
Load of bollocks.

Mjolnir

Water John wrote: »

Yeah. Don't know what the five offer but they are though to work for. If you go with them after college, all except EY don't give you any time off to study for your exams.

The argument being made about pharmacy was, that the pharmacist was evaluating your work placement and paying the student would compromise that.
Load of bollocks.

I'm not up on accounting, in law when we're finished we do get time off for blackhall but the law society regulates everything and very well I must say. But like that the top 5 work you hard. I suppose given what they offer and that you're in one of the top firms its to be expected.

I always found that argument gas to be honest, regardless of being payed you're either competent or not. Pay can often motivate some to be more competent than working for free.

bo0li5eumx12kp

Mjolnir wrote: »

I know someone that works in their local pharmacists part time.
Physio has a lot of obstacles when going private, you start out no one knows you and you'll have a low client base. You'll also spend your days taking knots out of people thats where a lot of the private physio work is at the minute. Its also not a gold mine I know several, none are extremely well off or some aren't even comfortable and struggle getting clients.
Both will require intensive course work, pharmacist students aren't allowed to be paid on placement either.
If you want a job that brings in enough in 20 hours per week why not just take up thai massage or the like?

lol - good one!

But in essence that's what I AM doing at the moment.
I got a base cert in MSK and tagged a bunch of certs in all the "knot-removing" modalities onto it.

In theory, everything a uni-trained physio can offer in terms of hands on modalities, I can actually offer (probably more actually, cause I went on a cert bender and did everything on the market).

Issue arises in,
1) most people like to work with an actual uni trained physio
2) naturally a uni qualification is held in much higher regard and you can work in a hospital with rehabilitation patients etc.
3) diagnostic and overall anatomical knowledge of physios totally eclipses my knowledge base in that sense. They learn about muscle attachment by way of dissecting cadavers for Christ sakes.


The question here was pharmacy specifically, it's feasible to cut that stressful "all-in" working week of 40/50 hours down to bite size, 25/30 hours by simply roster yourself for 2 or 3 days or doing half days?

This is the deciding factor to me.

If I'm told, "forget about it, you're gonna work your fingers to the bone, 50 per no half measures", then pharmacy is off the table.

bo0li5eumx12kp

Water John wrote: »

You think physio is easier work than pharamacy?

"Work" is all relative fren.

If you're in the flow state, you'll never do a days real work in your life.

The question is not so much work ease or difficulty.

The question is actually time application and remuneration relative to that time.

As per other thread, I NEED my extra-curricular time; that's sacred to me.
I don't have high living costs therefore a career path that yields good juice for a modest enough squeeze (time wise), that's my objective.

Thus, pharmacists - they NEED to do 50 hour weeks?

Physio, I can schedule my own appointments and work my own hours, cool, I know that.
But pharmacy, is it unusual that some pharmacists would work reduced hours also?

Water John

TMK there are sort of agency shifts available. Don't know the website but the pay rates are very high. If you're demand for money is low, I'd say a couple of shifts per week would make you enough.

Wesser

Yes of course it is.... as a salaried pharmacist you could seek out a 3 day contract or part time contract.

You would then earn 3/5 of fulltime pay.

But as a business owner or partner in a pharmacy then i dont think that would be possible. Too much work to be done

GalwayGrrrrrl

It is possible to work as a locum pharmacist. You are self employed and cover days off for the regular pharmacist. This can be done through word of mouth or
via an agency who take a percentage of your wages. The hours can be erratic and you would be covering weekends and holidays of other pharmacists. It can involve long days and lots of travel, especially if you don’t live in a big city. In hospital pharmacy it is possible to work part time but you would almost always have a second masters degree which you get in your first few years of working full time in a hospital so it’s not part time straight away.
If you don’t like hard work then pharmacy is not for you. The degree and placements are hard work and you need to show commitment to get through it all.

Wesser

Also i think it possible to take a part time salaried contract... no? Apart from being a locum?

bo0li5eumx12kp

GalwayGrrrrrl wrote: »

It is possible to work as a locum pharmacist. You are self employed and cover days off for the regular pharmacist. This can be done through word of mouth or
via an agency who take a percentage of your wages. The hours can be erratic and you would be covering weekends and holidays of other pharmacists. It can involve long days and lots of travel, especially if you don’t live in a big city. In hospital pharmacy it is possible to work part time but you would almost always have a second masters degree which you get in your first few years of working full time in a hospital so it’s not part time straight away.
If you don’t like hard work then pharmacy is not for you. The degree and placements are hard work and you need to show commitment to get through it all.

So in relation to what our other dude was saying, "physio vs pharmacy is not easy at all" - in terms of the work I'm currently doing, basic MSK therapy, the same as most every private physio does - I mean it's a day job, it's easy.
It's certainly not hard.

But then perhaps hard is relative.

On the matter of the pharmacy degree itself, 4 year BSc and 1 year Masters - when you say THAT'S hard and requires commitment.... do you mean, forget 9 to 5, you're talking early morning to late night type of deal?
If you're involved in extra-curricular heavily - expect to put that on the back burner during this degree - type of thing?

To be perfectly honest, and by no means trying to pat myself on the back but, I have no issue with the intellectual burden or concept understanding - my issue is time constraints primarily.

Physio, 20 hour per week + course work/placement - I do that in my sleep.

But pharmacy, I know 1st year is similar to that, the rest I'm not sure of however....?

bo0li5eumx12kp

Water John wrote: »

TMK there are sort of agency shifts available. Don't know the website but the pay rates are very high. If you're demand for money is low, I'd say a couple of shifts per week would make you enough.

You see, this is the type of information that makes me think, "this line of work was tailor made for me".

And then "GalwayGal" saying, "lolwut? Fingers to the bone mate, forget your old life, pharmacy now is your life".

Mjolnir

If you work in a rural village then you most certainly can be contracted part time by the pharmacist who owns it, like I said I know someone who does as it suits her lifestyle and situation. Add to that you won't be rushed off your feet.
My physio on the other hand charges €20/45 min and is out the door. He loves it and has a loyal client base that travel fairly far to him. He could easily do 30 hours a week and charge more.

karlitob

Jamir Substantial Ladybug wrote: »

lol - good one!

But in essence that's what I AM doing at the moment.
I got a base cert in MSK and tagged a bunch of certs in all the "knot-removing" modalities onto it.

In theory, everything a uni-trained physio can offer in terms of hands on modalities, I can actually offer (probably more actually, cause I went on a cert bender and did everything on the market).

Issue arises in,
1) most people like to work with an actual uni trained physio
2) naturally a uni qualification is held in much higher regard and you can work in a hospital with rehabilitation patients etc.
3) diagnostic and overall anatomical knowledge of physios totally eclipses my knowledge base in that sense. They learn about muscle attachment by way of dissecting cadavers for Christ sakes.


The question here was pharmacy specifically, it's feasible to cut that stressful "all-in" working week of 40/50 hours down to bite size, 25/30 hours by simply roster yourself for 2 or 3 days or doing half days?

This is the deciding factor to me.

If I'm told, "forget about it, you're gonna work your fingers to the bone, 50 per no half measures", then pharmacy is off the table.

You can’t offer the same as a ‘uni-trained physio’. And you certainly can’t offer ‘more’.

In other words, unless you are registered with Coru you are not a physiotherapist.

karlitob

Jamir Substantial Ladybug wrote: »

I'm hanging in the balance as to choice of physiotherapy or pharmacy as career path.
"Torn", you could say.

Yes I've contact faculty directors and basically been given green light for admission application to either.

My concern regarding pharmacy is,
1) 5 year program vs 3 year physio
2) And this is the main one - (I realize I had another thread on this recently but didn't get sufficient clarity before it was locked) - working hours;

As a pharmacist, is it actually necessary to work 5 days typical 8 to 9 hour day (sometimes 10, depending I assume)?
Can you simply roster yourself to do 2 or 3 days?

See my lifestyle is not expensive. I just need money for the basics.
Hell I try to stay green so don't even use a car.
Costs are low, and priority is do muh job, not let muh job do me.

Feedback I got in the other thread was, community pharmacy is taxing, long hours, stressful - not the easy life.

Is there any way to make it the easy life?

Just schedule hours so you don't have to do as much, albeit for a smaller paycheck?

Or is it more so, if your contracted to a position, expect to do the 40 to 50 hour work week, no exceptions.


As always, your feedback is profoundly appreciated.

Get the qualification for whichever job you feel you would be happiest in.

Once you’re qualified there are a large range of options available for both professions. As always it depends on your circumstance and your employer.

If you work in the public sector, then you could work part-time or job share, or work on short term contracts or work half clinical or half academic or all sorts or ways.

Private practice for a physio is hard - it necessarily the physio bit (it’s always hard treating patients and always improving) but hard from a business perspective. Small business is always tough.

If you work in boots or other large chain, I’m sure there are always options for locum positions where you can move about, or else part time hours.

For my two cents, more money in pharmacy. More career options in pharmacy - management, corporate, clinical progression, pharma and industry.

bo0li5eumx12kp

Mjolnir wrote: »

If you work in a rural village then you most certainly can be contracted part time by the pharmacist who owns it, like I said I know someone who does as it suits her lifestyle and situation. Add to that you won't be rushed off your feet.
My physio on the other hand charges €20/45 min and is out the door. He loves it and has a loyal client base that travel fairly far to him. He could easily do 30 hours a week and charge more.

20 euro per 45 minutes?

A masseuse makes more than that (significantly more) - albeit I know no masseuse with clients, "out the door".

This part where ya'll are claiming private practice physio is difficult?

I'm not getting my head around this cause, I've yet to go to a private practice locally where there's not at least a week waiting list.


So far the argument for pharmacy feels more convincing, I gotta be honest.

Part time possible, bigger money for less work.

In terms of the intensity of a pharmacy degree, can anyone shed some more light on that?

I assume 1st year is breezy enough, intensity amps up, say 3rd/4th and MPharm years.... can you get away with a 9 to 5 all in?
As in, lectures, labs, tutorials and study?

bo0li5eumx12kp

karlitob wrote: »

You can’t offer the same as a ‘uni-trained physio’. And you certainly can’t offer ‘more’.

In other words, unless you are registered with Coru you are not a physiotherapist.

I'm talking specifically hands on modalities, which are extremely limited in physio, as a degree is primarily rehab based.

They cover mulligan concept mobilizations, I assume some massage work, then like every other hands on therapist they do a needling course, probably taping and strapping, some probably use a electrotherapy/tens-machine etc - and exercise prescription (body weight only, non-weight bearing).

I do all that, plus hell I did cupping so that also, plus via a PT cert prescribe weight bearing exercise (which due to the muscle "shock" component is infinitely more valuable when done correctly).

So yes, I do offer all + more specifically in terms of hands on MSK treatment, but as said, diagnostics and anatomy/physiology knowledge doesn't hold a candle to a uni trained physio.

tictac88

In terms of the intensity of a pharmacy degree, can anyone shed some more light on that?

I assume 1st year is breezy enough, intensity amps up, say 3rd/4th and MPharm years.... can you get away with a 9 to 5 all in?
As in, lectures, labs, tutorials and study?[/quote]

Mjolnir

Jamir Substantial Ladybug wrote: »

20 euro per 45 minutes?

A masseuse makes more than that (significantly more) - albeit I know no masseuse with clients, "out the door".

This part where ya'll are claiming private practice physio is difficult?

I'm not getting my head around this cause, I've yet to go to a private practice locally where there's not at least a week waiting list.


So far the argument for pharmacy feels more convincing, I gotta be honest.

Part time possible, bigger money for less work.

In terms of the intensity of a pharmacy degree, can anyone shed some more light on that?

I assume 1st year is breezy enough, intensity amps up, say 3rd/4th and MPharm years.... can you get away with a 9 to 5 all in?
As in, lectures, labs, tutorials and study?

Well thats if you've been referred by a long time patient don't know what he charges randos.
Its actually really hard get an appointment with him, between recurring patients and referrals from GP's he's constantly busy. He loves what he does and works mad hours because he wants to, I could see him easily quarter his work load and raise prices make the same amount.

From the few girls I know that have done it, it can be fairly work intensive though like everything if you like it and have an aptitude its relatively grand. If you don't particularly like anatomy, biology or chemistry you'll be miserable during related modules.

tictac88

In terms of the intensity of a pharmacy degree, it might depend on the university, but first year pharmacy (when I started in 2006 in UCC) was no breeze. 9-5 pretty much just covered attending lectures and labs. Evenings and weekends were for study. It was pretty intense and demanding the whole way through. You also have to be prepared for lifelong learning; practices and therapeutics are constantly evolving, but this could be similar for physios I'd imagine too.

In saying this, it is a worthwhile career is generally well respected in Ireland and presents opportunities beyond community pharmacy. I spent several years in community before transitioning into a clinical/regulatory role and I still have the option of locuming the odd day if I choose to.

I've never been out of work in my 10 years of practice and it offers the opportunity to travel and come straight back into locum work while you need to get back earning (and least it has up to now anyway).

Mjolnir

Couldn't tell ya on the hours but college time tables are generally awful, I could go in Mon- Wed and be done for the week with the rest of the time for study and assignments.
You may be in for an hour one day, all day the next who knows. You could email the colleges say you're interested would it be possible to see a timetable.

karlitob

Jamir Substantial Ladybug wrote: »

I'm talking specifically hands on modalities, which are extremely limited in physio, as a degree is primarily rehab based.

They cover mulligan concept mobilizations, I assume some massage work, then like every other hands on therapist they do a needling course, probably taping and strapping, some probably use a electrotherapy/tens-machine etc - and exercise prescription (body weight only, non-weight bearing).

I do all that, plus hell I did cupping so that also, plus via a PT cert prescribe weight bearing exercise (which due to the muscle "shock" component is infinitely more valuable when done correctly).

So yes, I do offer all + more specifically in terms of hands on MSK treatment, but as said, diagnostics and anatomy/physiology knowledge doesn't hold a candle to a uni trained physio.

Stop taking about what you don’t know. Chartered physiotherapists do not have ‘extremely limited’ hands on skills. That’s a ridiculous and stupid statement all in one. We practice evidence-based treatment. Not like the quacks who do a weekend course and all of a sudden guess what every patient gets for treatment on Monday morning.

Look back on what you said - ‘I cant hold a candle to physios’ on anatomy etc. You’ve just said that you have limited knowledge of anatomy and physiology yet for some reason can apply treatments based on anatomy and physiology to patients.
If you can’t diagnose a patient how can you treat them.
If you aren’t a ‘uni-based physio’ (in fact you’re not a physio at all as you’re not Coru registered) how do you know what the course syllabus.


What muscle ‘shock’ component? Cupping?

Mjolnir

karlitob wrote: »

Stop taking about what you don’t know. Chartered physiotherapists do not have ‘extremely limited’ hands on skills. That’s a ridiculous and stupid statement all in one. We practice evidence-based treatment. Not like the quacks who do a weekend course and all of a sudden guess what every patient gets for treatment on Monday morning.

Look back on what you said - ‘I cant hold a candle to physios’ on anatomy etc. You’ve just said that you have limited knowledge of anatomy and physiology yet for some reason can apply treatments based on anatomy and physiology to patients.
If you can’t diagnose a patient how can you treat them.
If you aren’t a ‘uni-based physio’ (in fact you’re not a physio at all as you’re not Coru registered) how do you know what the course syllabus.


What muscle ‘shock’ component? Cupping?

Instantly discredited himself, I genuinely wish this shock the muscle bs would die once and for all. It needs to be took out back and force fed a bullet. I'm all for bro science but jesus that one rots me. Want to shock it try teach it algebra.
You can't shock a muscle through exercise or stimulation , the only way you can shock a muscle is to give it a literal electrical shock.
Anyone can do a pt course op, I've a pt cert and the amount of people I know with one who have no understanding of the body or an individuals need is staggering. Excercise adaptation is the most important aspect of giving someone a resistance based programme.
Most physios I know of in private practice do cupping, needling, myofacial release work to get the everyday work in the door.

Iodine1

I don't think you should do either as you are clearly not interested in the actual, you are just looking for a handy number. Do follow something that you are interested in, and it will be easier, and the hours won't matter.

bo0li5eumx12kp

karlitob wrote: »

Stop taking about what you don’t know. Chartered physiotherapists do not have ‘extremely limited’ hands on skills. That’s a ridiculous and stupid statement all in one. We practice evidence-based treatment. Not like the quacks who do a weekend course and all of a sudden guess what every patient gets for treatment on Monday morning.

Look back on what you said - ‘I cant hold a candle to physios’ on anatomy etc. You’ve just said that you have limited knowledge of anatomy and physiology yet for some reason can apply treatments based on anatomy and physiology to patients.
If you can’t diagnose a patient how can you treat them.
If you aren’t a ‘uni-based physio’ (in fact you’re not a physio at all as you’re not Coru registered) how do you know what the course syllabus.


What muscle ‘shock’ component? Cupping?

So, I'm to assume you're a registered physio under Coru?

You qualified in what year?

Let's just skip over the cert vs degree physical therapist debate for a moment....

Your undergrad physio qualification, assuming it was completed in Ireland? (either TCD, RCSI, UL or UCD presumably).
Work load/intensity, how would you have rated it?

Of course every student is different but, would you say much like the description of pharmacy undergrad, 9 to 5 was for lectures and tutorials, evenings and weekends was for study?

I mean naturally there's some study during that time period but, I'm mean is it all consuming as the pharmacy undergrad has been described as being?

I stress again, extra-curricular time is simply something that I can't afford to compromise hugely - thus getting insights into just how intense these programs are is of course important.

So, the fact I advertise and practice as an MSK therapist despite no iscp membership or coru registration, I mean, it is what is; but overlooking that for the moment to focus answers specifically on what constitutes a physiotherapy undergrad....?

Cause getting perspective here is basically the objective.

karlitob

Jamir Substantial Ladybug wrote: »

So, I'm to assume you're a registered physio under Coru?

You qualified in what year?

Let's just skip over the cert vs degree physical therapist debate for a moment....

Your undergrad physio qualification, assuming it was completed in Ireland? (either TCD, RCSI, UL or UCD presumably).
Work load/intensity, how would you have rated it?

Of course every student is different but, would you say much like the description of pharmacy undergrad, 9 to 5 was for lectures and tutorials, evenings and weekends was for study?

I mean naturally there's some study during that time period but, I'm mean is it all consuming as the pharmacy undergrad has been described as being?

I stress again, extra-curricular time is simply something that I can't afford to compromise hugely - thus getting insights into just how intense these programs are is of course important.

So, the fact I advertise and practice as an MSK therapist despite no iscp membership or coru registration, I mean, it is what is; but overlooking that for the moment to focus answers specifically on what constitutes a physiotherapy undergrad....?

Cause getting perspective here is basically the objective.

There’s no ‘cert v degree’ debate. There’s only registration with Coru.

It’s not very clear on what you’re looking for.

If you’re a thicko you’re not getting far in either course. If you want to do well, work harder. Less well, work less hard. If ‘extra/curricular’ is important to you, then college isn’t for you, regardless of course. Of course you have to work evenings and weekends. What planet are you on. If you think you can earn a professional undergraduate degree by only working 9-5 you’ve a rude awakening in store. If you think asking a physio what pharmacy is like; or a pharmacist what physio is like, then you’re definitely on the wrong track.

The course syllabus for both courses is on each of the colleges website.


I reckon the best thing for you to do is to work as an over the counter assistant in a pharmacy and at the weekend you can do a massage course then you can advertise yourself as a quack - I mean MSK therapist (though I often wondered how you can leave the nervous system out and only focus on muscles and bones. It’s almost like the move themselves. Or that the muscle and the bone feel pain independent of the body).
That way - you get the best of both worlds. And none of us need to count you as a peer.

bo0li5eumx12kp

Iodine1 wrote: »

I don't think you should do either as you are clearly not interested in the actual, you are just looking for a handy number. Do follow something that you are interested in, and it will be easier, and the hours won't matter.

Well it's actually the opposite, I've an overwhelming interest in both, in particular cellular function as regard innervation and gene expression, which dictates MSK well being, long term neurological well being, is basically the entire focus of pharmacological drug therapeutics both historical and future based treatments - most specifically more contemporary intra-cellular effectors - and most importantly, I unquestionably believe that whilst medicinal chemistry and pharmaceutical based therapeutics provide untold relief, long term cellular optimization will be found in a modality thus far not even explored.

Sorry for that mouthful but, what I wish to convey is that, the actual concepts underwriting both the basis for MSK physiotherapeutics and pharmaco based drug therapies - they fascinate me;

What academia delivers in terms of tuition however, it's established information.

You could say for intents and purposes that, I can't allow myself to be constrained by a learning regiment which is challenging, beneficial - but alas, taught to 100's of students every year with little in the way of establishing innovation - certainly not facilitated at an undergrad level at least.


I outline this because, I'm asking time from both physios and pharmacists browsing this forum to contribute insight as to attaining those base qualifications, the intensity, workload etc - so as I can basically get a better day job.

But a day job relevant to my interests, whilst not limiting my pursuit of innovation relative to those interests.

And I guess if contributors are going to make time to provide this valuable insight, it's important they understand it's not just to some dude that's looking for a, "handy number", but rather get a relevant day job that pays the bills like we all must, whilst not interfering with additional pursuits, understandings and acquisition of novel information that pertain directly to that very area.

The Hound Gone Wild

None of the health sciences are easy degrees, all of them are intense. None of them lead to easy jobs.

All I can speak for is Pharmacy. For me it was 9-6 Monday-Friday and probably another 20 hours a week study time.

Is it possible to work 20 hours a week as a Pharmacist? Yes, you can get a contract for 20 hours somewhere, you can also locum and work when and where you want. The work is volatile, it's almost dead at the moment and hourly rates have crashed out. Working as a Pharmacist is not a handy life no matter how many hours you do weekly. It's extremely stressful, especially locum work & lunch breaks are non-existant.

karlitob

Jamir Substantial Ladybug wrote: »

Well it's actually the opposite, I've an overwhelming interest in both, in particular cellular function as regard innervation and gene expression, which dictates MSK well being, long term neurological well being, is basically the entire focus of pharmacological drug therapeutics both historical and future based treatments - most specifically more contemporary intra-cellular effectors - and most importantly, I unquestionably believe that whilst medicinal chemistry and pharmaceutical based therapeutics provide untold relief, long term cellular optimization will be found in a modality thus far not even explored.

Sorry for that mouthful but, what I wish to convey is that, the actual concepts underwriting both the basis for MSK physiotherapeutics and pharmaco based drug therapies - they fascinate me;

What academia delivers in terms of tuition however, it's established information.

You could say for intents and purposes that, I can't allow myself to be constrained by a learning regiment which is challenging, beneficial - but alas, taught to 100's of students every year with little in the way of establishing innovation - certainly not facilitated at an undergrad level at least.


I outline this because, I'm asking time from both physios and pharmacists browsing this forum to contribute insight as to attaining those base qualifications, the intensity, workload etc - so as I can basically get a better day job.

But a day job relevant to my interests, whilst not limiting my pursuit of innovation relative to those interests.

And I guess if contributors are going to make time to provide this valuable insight, it's important they understand it's not just to some dude that's looking for a, "handy number", but rather get a relevant day job that pays the bills like we all must, whilst not interfering with additional pursuits, understandings and acquisition of novel information that pertain directly to that very area.

You’re a plank. I’d hate to work with you. And I’d never send a patient to you.

Not once in crappy posts (this thread or the other threads where you’re asking the same stupid questions) have you ever mentioned or asked about patients. Some people don’t really care, some people prefer the academia and put up with patients; but I’ll tell you this - underneath all of it (yes even underneath gene expression) it’s about helping people with the tools of your trade. All professions rely in some way on the other. You won’t make it very far - as you’re a plank.

locum-motion

Lads,

Stop engaging with this troll, who managed to completely piss off pharmacists in his last thread and looks like doing the same to physics here.

bo0li5eumx12kp

karlitob wrote: »

You’re a plank. I’d hate to plank work with you. And I’d never send a plank patient to you.

Not once in plank crappy posts (this plank thread or the other plank threads where you’re plank asking the same stupid plank questions) have you ever mentioned or asked about plank patients. Some plank people don’t really plank care, some plank people prefer the plank academia and put up with plank patients; but I’ll plank tell you this - underneath all of it (yes even underneath plank gene expression) it’s about helping plank people with the tools of your plank trade. All plank professions rely in some way on the plank other. You won’t make it very plank far - as you’re a plank.

A "plank", hmm?



This hilarious thing here is, I'm genuinely trying to acquire information to make an informed choice on the optimal career path.

Wouldn't get far?

I left a lucrative career in a respected profession (which I already have an honours university degree in, without every once staying longer than 6 pm in the evening on the way to acquiring), specifically to pursue these interests, as I feel in many respects, they're the future.

So I'm just trying to get a little feel for the pharmacists working life (including degree acquisition), and the coru registered physios working life (including same).

And thus far several responses have been great - but this is my last opportunity to revisit uni so, given the time and financial involvement in such a huge life decision, it's gotta be a one informed from every perspective.

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The Hound Gone Wild wrote: »

None of the health sciences are easy degrees, all of them are intense. None of them lead to easy jobs.

All I can speak for is Pharmacy. For me it was 9-6 Monday-Friday and probably another 20 hours a week study time.

Is it possible to work 20 hours a week as a Pharmacist? Yes, you can get a contract for 20 hours somewhere, you can also locum and work when and where you want. The work is volatile, it's almost dead at the moment and hourly rates have crashed out. Working as a Pharmacist is not a handy life no matter how many hours you do weekly. It's extremely stressful, especially locum work & lunch breaks are non-existant.

Hey that's cool. Thank you, I appreciate the perspective.

In contrast, granted I'm a "quack" MSK therapist but, this current line of work isn't remotely stressful.
So I know you're not commenting on the physio working life but, from your post I'm strongly inferring that - "pharmacy, long or short hours - intense, stress etc".

Thus it would appear that perhaps physio will ultimately be a better fit for me....

At least that's what I'm inferring from your feedback.

I'm not gonna base my entire decision on it of course but, it's another viewpoint and that's what this thread is all about so thank you.

bo0li5eumx12kp

karlitob wrote: »

You’re a plank. I’d hate to work with you. And I’d never send a patient to you.

Not once in crappy posts (this thread or the other threads where you’re asking the same stupid questions) have you ever mentioned or asked about patients. Some people don’t really care, some people prefer the academia and put up with patients; but I’ll tell you this - underneath all of it (yes even underneath gene expression) it’s about helping people with the tools of your trade. All professions rely in some way on the other. You won’t make it very far - as you’re a plank.

PS - what is this about "asking about patients"?

What exactly does that have to do with the price of cabbage?

I said in the other thread I acknowledge some may find it difficult.
I'm not among them.
For me it's easy.

What else is there to know?

jlm29

Jamir Substantial Ladybug wrote: »

Well it's actually the opposite, I've an overwhelming interest in both, in particular cellular function as regard innervation and gene expression, which dictates MSK well being, long term neurological well being, is basically the entire focus of pharmacological drug therapeutics both historical and future based treatments - most specifically more contemporary intra-cellular effectors - and most importantly, I unquestionably believe that whilst medicinal chemistry and pharmaceutical based therapeutics provide untold relief, long term cellular optimization will be found in a modality thus far not even explored.

Sorry for that mouthful but, what I wish to convey is that, the actual concepts underwriting both the basis for MSK physiotherapeutics and pharmaco based drug therapies - they fascinate me;

What academia delivers in terms of tuition however, it's established information.

You could say for intents and purposes that, I can't allow myself to be constrained by a learning regiment which is challenging, beneficial - but alas, taught to 100's of students every year with little in the way of establishing innovation - certainly not facilitated at an undergrad level at least.


I outline this because, I'm asking time from both physios and pharmacists browsing this forum to contribute insight as to attaining those base qualifications, the intensity, workload etc - so as I can basically get a better day job.

But a day job relevant to my interests, whilst not limiting my pursuit of innovation relative to those interests.

And I guess if contributors are going to make time to provide this valuable insight, it's important they understand it's not just to some dude that's looking for a, "handy number", but rather get a relevant day job that pays the bills like we all must, whilst not interfering with additional pursuits, understandings and acquisition of novel information that pertain directly to that very area.

Where are you looking at doing physio? For the 4 yr course it’s fairly full time for the first two years. Third and fourth year would have a bit more self directed time and research project etc, so still a lot of hours, just not necessarily in college.
Clinical placement is 30 ish weeks, full time work, no pay, and lots of study at weekends and evening times.

Physio degree courses are based almost entirely on evidence based practice. A lot of what you’ve said you do at the moment Is out of date and not evidence based, so it might be worth reading up a bit to update your knowledge of what’s involved.

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jlm29 wrote: »

Where are you looking at doing physio? For the 4 yr course it’s fairly full time for the first two years. Third and fourth year would have a bit more self directed time and research project etc, so still a lot of hours, just not necessarily in college.
Clinical placement is 30 ish weeks, full time work, no pay, and lots of study at weekends and evening times.

Physio degree courses are based almost entirely on evidence based practice. A lot of what you’ve said you do at the moment Is out of date and not evidence based, so it might be worth reading up a bit to update your knowledge of what’s involved.

RCSI or Trinity.

It's been outlined I'd be entering in 2nd year as a graduate applicant.

https://www.physio-pedia.com/Evidence_Based_Practice(EBP)_in_Physiotherapy

"The most common management of back pain and sciatica is to prescribe analgesics and advise rest and to treat acute attacks with bed rest"

Yeah I guess, I do march to the beat of my own drum in many respects, cause so much about contemporary treatment to me is questionable - but that's a conversation for another day.

I did try and download the physio timetable from the UCD website,

https://www.ucd.ie/students/generalreferencetimetable.html



That's all the modules



I think this is, 3rd year?
4th year?

It's hard to tell or gauge intensity - seems chill enough I guess?

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Versus pharmacy 3rd year RCSI,



https://www.rcsi.com/dublin/undergraduate/pharmacy/course-details

Is it just me or does that seem a little more full on?

jlm29

Looks like a first year timetable to me, from what i can make out.

Mjolnir

Do none of the college offer a talk to current students day?
We have that I love my course but I wouldn't be long to tell people if they want a doss don't bother.
Timetables are deceiving in some lecturers don't keep you the full hour.
But over all if you're travelling any kind of distance it'll be more full on hours wise. Either way expect your week to be full on especially if working.
I'm sitting as a 1.1 student at the min, honestly without much effort about a week of study before my exams, but I genuinely love it and find it fascinating. If you're like that you'll be grand if not you'll need to put in more work.

Try find the courses on insta and ask the account mod some questions I'm sure they'd oblige.

Iodine1

Jamir Substantial Ladybug wrote: »

Well

You could say for intents and purposes that, I can't allow myself to be constrained by a learning regiment which is challenging, beneficial - but alas, taught to 100's of students every year with little in the way of establishing innovation - certainly not facilitated at an undergrad level at least..

So what you are really saying is you have no interest in the course, just getting a qualification to get a handy but well paid job and that you can work part time in. Yes I understand.

Mjolnir

Iodine1 wrote: »

So what you are really saying is you have no interest in the course, just getting a qualification to get a handy but well paid job and that you can work part time in. Yes I understand.

Isn't that most students now though. So many people in my year want to get out and do the aul 9-5, think there's one or two other than myself want to go full corporate 70+ hour week kind of deal.

If nothing else this has been entertaining

angeldelight

It is possible... I currently work 49 hours a month as a community pharmacist - one day a week 9am-7pm and one weekend day of 9am-6pm per month.

In a case of never being happy it kind of limits me as I don’t particularly enjoy working as a pharmacist but if I was to go back and retrain I wouldn’t be able to work such limited hours and earn enough to make it worth my while. First world problems

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Iodine1 wrote: »

So what you are really saying is you have no interest in the course, just getting a qualification to get a handy but well paid job and that you can work part time in. Yes I understand.

If by "no interest" you mean, heavily involved in cellular mechanics, neuroscience, keeping up to date with latest cellular interventions on an industrial level and latest MSK/neurological modalities, applications and treatments for high time/effort expenditure with zero remuneration - whilst additionally performing a 20 to 25 hour work week, limited hours, specifically to facilitate advancement in those interests....

Then yes I suppose I have "no interest".

PS - you are an egg.

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Mjolnir wrote: »

Do none of the college offer a talk to current students day?
We have that I love my course but I wouldn't be long to tell people if they want a doss don't bother.
Timetables are deceiving in some lecturers don't keep you the full hour.
But over all if you're travelling any kind of distance it'll be more full on hours wise. Either way expect your week to be full on especially if working.
I'm sitting as a 1.1 student at the min, honestly without much effort about a week of study before my exams, but I genuinely love it and find it fascinating. If you're like that you'll be grand if not you'll need to put in more work.

Try find the courses on insta and ask the account mod some questions I'm sure they'd oblige.

What course exactly are you doing/have you done?

Did you mention it was law or something?

You do realize I'm referring specifically to the health sciences of either pharmacy or physiotherapy?