5 series versus S90

Ryder

hi. Just looking for some opinions on the merits of both of these.

Want to upgrade from a petrol S80 (great car bit heavy on petrol and high tax)

Budget is 30ish which will just scrape an 181 M sport or R Design S90. Looks wise id very slightly rate the 5 series and driving wise its much better.

Just wondering about reliability and servicing. Is the 5 series going to be a killer od equivalent to the S90? Also petrol versus diesel 5 series (mostly driving is city with 1 or 2 m50 and 1 or 2 short 40k motorway spins a week)

Outside contender is older 6 series but i think I'd be screwed on insurance/ constantly worries it would be stolen.

Thanks

colm_mcm

How about a Mercedes E350 hybrid?

You’d easily get a 181 within budget from the UK.
Less common than the 5 and classier than both.

Ryder

Thanks. Also on the long list. TBH od pay the bit extra and get from here at the moment just so as to avoid travel etc. Tax is due at the end of the month and insurance NCT next month so want to get sorted soon

bazz26

I don't think there is going to be much difference between reliability and running costs of a 5 Series versus a S90 especially if you are going to main dealers. Both cars are rather big and awkward for mostly city driving being honest especially when it comes to parking. I'd also look at the plug-in-hybrid in both models if your doing mostly city driving and have access to a charging point, more suitable than a diesel for that sort of usage. VRT is also lower on the hybrids if importing is an option.

Ryder

Thanks. Parking okay and city driving is suburbs and along canal so slow moving but not stop start.

Hybrid looks great but parking at home is on street so not great option?

Pkiernan

With your driving type, I dont think a diesel is your best choice.

Ryder

Thanks. Would 2 30min motorway drives per week ve enough for a diesel?

shnaek

Ryder wrote: »

Thanks. Would 2 30min motorway drives per week ve enough for a diesel?

I'm on my third diesel - I currently have a 5 series. That's the sort of driving I do and I've never had a problem with them. Had a Honda before this, and a Rover before that. Got to say I am loving the 5 series. Haven't driven the s90 so I can't compare.

kanuseeme

Can you charge in work? For such short commutes, diesel is no advantage to you, even if you drove the plug in it would act as a normal hybrid without charging.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201911284827809?radius=1500&year-from=2019&advertising-location=at_cars&aggregatedTrim=M%20Sport&postcode=cv92pz&model=5%20SERIES&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&make=BMW&sort=price-asc&fuel-type=Hybrid%20%E2%80%93%20Petrol%2FElectric%20Plug-in&page=1 32000 euro, only 4500 miles and 14 months old, vrt is 3500 euro, but I cannot get the exact match for the car in the calculator

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202006160171357?radius=1500&year-from=2018&advertising-location=at_cars&aggregatedTrim=M%20Sport&postcode=cv92pz&model=5%20SERIES&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&make=BMW&sort=price-asc&fuel-type=Hybrid%20%E2%80%93%20Petrol%2FElectric%20Plug-in&page=1 29000 euro, 19000 miles and 17 months old, vrt for me is 2400 euro

There is a nice saving on importing (around 5000 euro) and if you act fast you could have it before your deadline, my mother is getting her car delivered in the next few days from the UK.

Thats 4 cars I have got for me and my family without going over for them, if you want I will do it for 20% of what you will save, you can pay me after you do the vrt on it.

Ryder

Thanks for the replies

Have to test drive all of these next week. Will also look at the Jaguar XE as its in range and a nice looking car. Gets good reviews in comparison to S90. A bit worried about reliability though.....is that unfounded?

colm_mcm

An XE is tiny compared to the others there.

kanuseeme

kanuseeme wrote: »

Thats 4 cars I have got for me and my family without going over for them, if you want I will do it for 20% of what you will save, you can pay me after you do the vrt on it.

Are you willing to buy the OPs car too?


I'd not consider a diesel for my own car again, especially if primarily city driving, particularly for a more premium car.

Ryder

colm_mcm wrote: »

An XE is tiny compared to the others there.

Thanks Colm. Fat fingers - I meant XF

Ryder

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you willing to buy the OPs car too?


I'd not consider a diesel for my own car again, especially if primarily city driving, particularly for a more premium car.

thanks. My father keeps saying that....i was just hoping it wasn't true of newer diesels or that 2 longer drives a week would keep filter free. The problem is I have a petrol s80 now which goes through a tank really quickly (which is turning me off petrol) and not easy to get a bigger saloon on petrol (like the size and shape but also need to fit 3 kids in boosters across the back).

30000 osh budget, want to get premium family car...17/18. Anything I've missed out on or not considered (e class also on long list)?

colm_mcm

Ryder wrote: »

Thanks Colm. Fat fingers - I meant XF

The XF is an antique, yeah it was revised in 2015 but it’s still quite outdated looking.
Even in 2007 it wasn’t exactly groundbreaking.

Ryder

Ryder wrote: »

thanks. My father keeps saying that....i was just hoping it wasn't true of newer diesels or that 2 longer drives a week would keep filter free. The problem is I have a petrol s80 now which goes through a tank really quickly (which is turning me off petrol) and not easy to get a bigger saloon on petrol (like the size and shape but also need to fit 3 kids in boosters across the back).

30000 osh budget, want to get premium family car...17/18. Anything I've missed out on or not considered (e class also on long list)?

I'd say your driving would keep the DPF functioning, but the value of a diesel engine is if doing significant miles. Otherwise a premium car looks like a premium car... until you turn on the engine. Now, you could get a 535D and that's a suberb engine.

I had a 2.4l JTDM engine in my 159 and that was an excellent engine... just wasnt petrol

colm_mcm

colm_mcm wrote: »

The XF is an antique, yeah it was revised in 2015 but it’s still quite outdated looking.
Even in 2007 it wasn’t exactly groundbreaking.

I like the look of them, and they do still stand out.

scooby77

Bit left field, but given your journeys have you considered a Lexus GS300H? I know they're discontinued but few 2017 for sale here. Better on juice and tax than your current, bullet proof reliability.

Paul Kiernan

If you'd any way of charging on a daily basis the 530e would be perfect. 191 imported from UK for about 30k all in or 192 (with new longer range battery) about 34k. You might even get to a 201 for not much more. I haven't put petrol in mine this year and the tank is still full!

Paul Kiernan

Paul Kiernan wrote: »

If you'd any way of charging on a daily basis the 530e would be perfect. 191 imported from UK for about 30k all in or 192 (with new longer range battery) about 34k. You might even get to a 201 for not much more. I haven't put petrol in mine this year and the tank is still full!

A good problem to have, but when does petrol go stale?

ButtersSuki

Bought an S90 Diesel Automatic last September and absolutely love it. Looked at the XF too but preferred the room in the S90 - tere really is no comparison. I personally don't like BMWs for a variety of reasons so didn't consider one.

Parking is fine, it is long but you have sensors and a camera (not sure if the camera is on all models, but the sensors are).

I'm just over 6'6", and even with my seat back fully there's still ample leg room behind me. This is not the case in a 5 series (friend has one, he's about 6'3" and there's not much room nehind him except for maybe a small child).

One thing I like about the S90 is there's so few of them around - I was told there's less than 200 in the Republic by someone, but they're not in the motor trade so how reliable that is I don't know. It seems every second car on the road is a 5 series at times.

PM me if you want more info.

Paul Kiernan

Deleted User wrote: »

A good problem to have, but when does petrol go stale?

The BMW hybrid versions use a specially pressurised fuel tank which is supposed to stop any water vapour getting into the tank leading to condensation. When you want to refuel you press a button and wait a minute for it to depressurise!

ferg01

I've only had these models as rentals so I'm not a "qualified" owner...here are some of the points I'd consider if I was buying...
1) the touch screen on the S90 looks fab but is remarkably difficult to use and to concentrate on when you're driving...maybe you get used to this but after a week, I was driven crazy by it;
2) similarly, the BMW screen is frustratingly small unless you get the widescreen version;
3) i did a 9 hour spin in the S90 in one day and it proved itself to be one of the most comfortable cars I've even driving. It's no hot hatch but I couldn't get over how not tired I felt at the end of the day;
4) I used to own an S40 and the repair costs were astronomical. I would only recommend getting Volvos services in independent places and not in main dealers. Not sure about the BMW situation;
5) the BMW is a much more satisfying drive but can be a bit hard on some bad roads.

In any case, it's a great problem to have so happy motoring! Hopefully this is helpful.

Paul Kiernan

Paul Kiernan wrote: »

The BMW hybrid versions use a specially pressurised fuel tank which is supposed to stop any water vapour getting into the tank leading to condensation. When you want to refuel you press a button and wait a minute for it to depressurise!

They tink of ev'rting.

Ryder

Thanks again guys. All opinions gratefully received.

No opportunity to charge at home/work so the plug in BMW is out.
I should have mentioned it in the title but would also consider the IS300. Decent tax etc and ticks the petrol box. Like the look. Slight drawback is that 2 close colleagues have one...but that's not really a consideration

Really like the look of the s90 and thats my preference appearance wise. Would like a nice responsive car to drive (not speeding) and know it isn't that

The s80 is really fantastic and that influences me too. 14 years old...main dealer serviced annually and not an ounce of trouble. Just the high tax and fuel costs os making me change now

bazz26

ferg01 wrote: »

I've only had these models as rentals so I'm not a "qualified" owner...here are some of the points I'd consider if I was buying...
1) the touch screen on the S90 looks fab but is remarkably difficult to use and to concentrate on when you're driving...maybe you get used to this but after a week, I was driven crazy by it;
2) similarly, the BMW screen is frustratingly small unless you get the widescreen version;
3) i did a 9 hour spin in the S90 in one day and it proved itself to be one of the most comfortable cars I've even driving. It's no hot hatch but I couldn't get over how not tired I felt at the end of the day;
4) I used to own an S40 and the repair costs were astronomical. I would only recommend getting Volvos services in independent places and not in main dealers. Not sure about the BMW situation;
5) the BMW is a much more satisfying drive but can be a bit hard on some bad roads.

In any case, it's a great problem to have so happy motoring! Hopefully this is helpful.

Maybe a mute point but the screen size in the 5 Series model the OP is looking at are all the same size. They are large and widscreen these days.

ButtersSuki

ferg01 wrote: »

I've only had these models as rentals so I'm not a "qualified" owner...here are some of the points I'd consider if I was buying...
1) the touch screen on the S90 looks fab but is remarkably difficult to use and to concentrate on when you're driving...maybe you get used to this but after a week, I was driven crazy by it;

Takes a little getting used to alright but once you've mastered it it's a piece of p*ss. Also a lot of voice activation options on it........

For Forks Sake

ButtersSuki wrote: »

One thing I like about the S90 is there's so few of them around - I was told there's less than 200 in the Republic by someone, but they're not in the motor trade so how reliable that is I don't know. It seems every second car on the road is a 5 series at times.

107 of them registered in 2019, 209 in 2018, 165 in 2017

Only 19 registered this year

eastie17

Owner of an S90 RDesign here as well, previously owned 2 520d's but as nice as they are to drive got a bit sick of the sameness of them. Went into a S60 R-Design and then last November when going again shortlisted the AMG E series, 5 series again and the S90.
Got an S-90 R Design in Spirit with very low mileage and love it. As someone says there arent too many on the road, mine is black with a few other extra bits of trim and looks really well. Performance mode is great
I know to the purist the 5 series has a better driving experience but lets be honest we have no autobahns or sweeping Alpine drives here so the S90 is good enough for me.

eastie17

Ryder, have you driven the S90 R Design in Performance Mode? Plenty of grunt and a nice noise from the exhaust

Ryder

eastie17 wrote: »

Owner of an S90 RDesign here as well, previously owned 2 520d's but as nice as they are to drive got a bit sick of the sameness of them. Went into a S60 R-Design and then last November when going again shortlisted the AMG E series, 5 series again and the S90.
Got an S-90 R Design in Spirit with very low mileage and love it. As someone says there arent too many on the road, mine is black with a few other extra bits of trim and looks really well. Performance mode is great
I know to the purist the 5 series has a better driving experience but lets be honest we have no autobahns or sweeping Alpine drives here so the S90 is good enough for me.

What are your average driving distances? I get maybe 4 15 min M50 spins a week and another 2 or so 20min spins on the M7. Is that enough to keep the filter clear and a diesel ticking over?

ustari

Frustrating thing on the V90 is that the R design is only available in half leather it seems, inscription and momentum models have full leather but obviously don't look as sporty.

On the look out for an estate this summer and think the V90 R Design would be top of list if it had full leather. 5 series M sport instead is where I am leaning now.

Ryder

scooby77 wrote: »

Bit left field, but given your journeys have you considered a Lexus GS300H? I know they're discontinued but few 2017 for sale here. Better on juice and tax than your current, bullet proof reliability.

Had a look at a gs300 today. Lovely car. Need to book in for a test drive. Similar money to the e class and volvo. Only concern is do you think it will hold its resale value in 3 to 5 years as compared say to an e class AMG?

bazz26

If you could stretch your budget there are a few 2019 Toyota Camry hybrids going for around the low thirties. Will still have plenty of Toyota warranty on it and I'd say then initial extra expenditure would probably be well made back in the lower cost of ownership over the lifetime of the car:

https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2445830&r=s.php%3Fm%3D88%26o%3D727%26r%3D2019%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

Vicxas

bazz26 wrote: »

If you could stretch your budget there are a few 2019 Toyota Camry hybrids going for around the low thirties. Will still have plenty of Toyota warranty on it and I'd say then initial extra expenditure would probably be well made back in the lower cost of ownership over the lifetime of the car:

https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2445830&r=s.php%3Fm%3D88%26o%3D727%26r%3D2019%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

I was in a toss up also. I sat in a 2019 Camry but wasn't impressed by the interior at all.

Casati

I’ve a V90 D4 Momentum and looked at the E Class, 5 series and A6 among others before buying. The 5 is a sportier drive but I think the Volvo is more comfortable and prefer the dash design too. Seats are excellent - middle rear seat is a lot better than the Germans too. Reliability is said to be much better versus the Beemer which seem to constantly have some new BMW issue. I hate run flats too.

Was keen on R Design but wanted max 18in wheels as I’m driving a lot of bad roads and happy with my choice. New A6 is my favourite but was much more expensive. Merc and Volvo more similar and I’d advise you to look at the E class as they can be good value secondhand, especially the saloon. Merc seats are more often than not, fake leather which I found cheap.

Spec helped the Volvo case, eg they have pilot assist and adaptive cruise standard which I would really miss and I believe are expensive options on the others.

I’d forget about the IS300 - it’s a dated car from the class below and was never rated. The GS looks nice but boot is tidy size and I don’t think it has great space for taller drivers. Might be an option if your not doing a lot of miles mind you and reliability should be great

higster

Bit of deja vu here. Similar situation couple years ago. Driving 10yr old S80 2.5T. Fantastic car with absolutely zero problems in the 7yrs I had it...but convinced myself tax and fuel costs time for a change. Looked at same cars and ended up with e merc. TBH not much in it bs 5 series and a6 and S90...went with merc cause of comfort and the mrs had the XC90 which is a cut and paste interior wise withy the s90 (didn’t like the 5 series or a6)...anyhow I digress, main point of my post...

I kinda regret “moving up”. Yeah, it is very nice to be in different/newer car and not having the yearly tax bill is sweet...but...I miss that s80 (sold it to brother in law, still going strong and still looks damn good)...

Ryder

higster wrote: »

Bit of deja vu here. Similar situation couple years ago. Driving 10yr old S80 2.5T. Fantastic car with absolutely zero problems in the 7yrs I had it...but convinced myself tax and fuel costs time for a change. Looked at same cars and ended up with e merc. TBH not much in it bs 5 series and a6 and S90...went with merc cause of comfort and the mrs had the XC90 which is a cut and paste interior wise...anyhow I digress, main point of my post...

I kinda regret “moving up”. Yeah, it is very nice to be in different/newer car and not having the yearly tax bill is sweet...but...I miss that s80 (sold it to brother in law, still going strong and still looks damn good)...

I hear you. Its a fantastic car.

kanuseeme

Maybe keep your old car OP, what is it going to cost you?, I would be wary of buying a pure fossil fuel car now, only to see it lose value with what I believe is a slow but sure turn against them, this year 18% of cars registered had a battery of some sort in it, diesel sales are down 3-4% every year, and that downward trend is moving towards small petrol or hybrid/EV. https://stats.beepbeep.ie/

With the greens in coalition with FF/FG who would only love the extra money they could get from taxing the hell out of big fossil fuel cars, it might just mean any value you were hoping for in a few years disappear.

If possible, to protect your investment I would recommend a hybrid at the very minimum but finding a hybrid to suit your taste might be difficult.

Casati

kanuseeme wrote: »

Maybe keep your old car OP, what is it going to cost you?, I would be wary of buying a pure fossil fuel car now, only to see it lose value with what I believe is a slow but sure turn against them, this year 18% of cars registered had a battery of some sort in it, diesel sales are down 3-4% every year, and that downward trend is moving towards small petrol or hybrid/EV. https://stats.beepbeep.ie/

With the greens in coalition with FF/FG who would only love the extra money they could get from taxing the hell out of big fossil fuel cars, it might just mean any value you were hoping for in a few years disappear.

If possible, to protect your investment I would recommend a hybrid at the very minimum but finding a hybrid to suit your taste might be difficult.

Can you explain why plug in like the BMW 530e or Merc 350e, not to mention older ones like V60 D6 PHEV see eye watering depreciation that is often even higher than that for equivalent diesels?

Heres Johnny

Casati wrote: »

Can you explain why plug in like the BMW 530e or Merc 350e, not to mention older ones like V60 D6 PHEV see eye watering depreciation that is often even higher than that for equivalent diesels?

As far as I'm concerned every car depreciates to pretty much sub 5k after 10 years, be it a micra at one end of the scale or a merc s class at the other end. I wouldn't worry about what fuel it takes because they all lose their boll*x.
Diesel because its unfashionable, PHEV and eV because the model that replaces it has much better range.

Casati

Heres Johnny wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned every car depreciates to pretty much sub 5k after 10 years, be it a micra at one end of the scale or a merc s class at the other end. I wouldn't worry about what fuel it takes because they all lose their boll*x.
Diesel because its unfashionable, PHEV and eV because the model that replaces it has much better range.

Agreed to a certain extent - for the OP spending 30k and keeping it another 10 years as he has with the S80, they are going to get decent value for money

kanuseeme

Casati wrote: »

Can you explain why plug in like the BMW 530e or Merc 350e, not to mention older ones like V60 D6 PHEV see eye watering depreciation that is often even higher than that for equivalent diesels?

Diesel

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new/202003198601774?advertising-location=at_cars&radius=50&aggregatedTrim=530d&year-from=new&postcode=bs16qf&model=5%20SERIES&make=BMW&sort=price-asc&fuel-type=Diesel&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&page=1 £38,933 530d m sport new.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202002267730589?advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&aggregatedTrim=530d&year-from=2017&postcode=bs16qf&model=5%20SERIES&year-to=2017&make=BMW&sort=price-asc&fuel-type=Diesel&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&page=1 2017 12k miles/year £18,399

20500 pounds difference, I picked the cheapest both times. I like cheap.

Plug-in

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/bmw/bmw-530e-iperformance-2017-review/ new £43,985

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202004279077455?advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&aggregatedTrim=M%20Sport&year-from=2017&postcode=bs16qf&model=5%20SERIES&year-to=new&make=BMW&sort=price-asc&fuel-type=Hybrid%20%E2%80%93%20Petrol%2FElectric%20Plug-in&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&page=1 £22,295 74k miles

22000 pounds, not that big of a difference between the 2 fuel types, only 1500 pounds

If I pick something with the same miles as the diesel, its only 750 pounds.

Where is the eye watering depreciation? Besides both loosing over 20000 pounds,

If the government turns against diesel it could be worse, its the same reason is why the OP is selling his, "the car tax is out next month"

If the OP hold's off for a while, it will cost him a years car tax or buy a diesel and maybe pay the same ridiculously high car tax for years .

Ryder

kanuseeme wrote: »

Diesel

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new/202003198601774?advertising-location=at_cars&radius=50&aggregatedTrim=530d&year-from=new&postcode=bs16qf&model=5%20SERIES&make=BMW&sort=price-asc&fuel-type=Diesel&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&page=1 £38,933 530d m sport new.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202002267730589?advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&aggregatedTrim=530d&year-from=2017&postcode=bs16qf&model=5%20SERIES&year-to=2017&make=BMW&sort=price-asc&fuel-type=Diesel&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&page=1 2017 12k miles/year £18,399

20500 pounds difference, I picked the cheapest both times. I like cheap.

Plug-in

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/bmw/bmw-530e-iperformance-2017-review/ new £43,985

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202004279077455?advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&aggregatedTrim=M%20Sport&year-from=2017&postcode=bs16qf&model=5%20SERIES&year-to=new&make=BMW&sort=price-asc&fuel-type=Hybrid%20%E2%80%93%20Petrol%2FElectric%20Plug-in&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&page=1 £22,295 74k miles

22000 pounds, not that big of a difference between the 2 fuel types, only 1500 pounds

If I pick something with the same miles as the diesel, its only 750 pounds.

Where is the eye watering depreciation? Besides both loosing over 20000 pounds,

If the government turns against diesel it could be worse, its the same reason is why the OP is selling his, "the car tax is out next month"

If the OP hold's off for a while, it will cost him a years car tax or buy a diesel and maybe pay the same ridiculously high car tax for years .

Thanks. I agree, but all cars depreciate....some people put a premium on nice/newer car and some don't, but all go from A to B. Having read the advice I think a pure diesel is a non runner (no saving and extra hassle for me and mah be penalised) so will go the hybrid route.

Marcusm

Casati wrote: »

Can you explain why plug in like the BMW 530e or Merc 350e, not to mention older ones like V60 D6 PHEV see eye watering depreciation that is often even higher than that for equivalent diesels?

Do you mean UK values? In the U.K., these cars have very low BIK rates do have been “artificially” popular beyond the natural appetite for them. They are generally fleet vehicles which are sold on after 3-5 years max. The U.K. motor tax system is not so penal for larger engines vehicles so these can be more popular on a the private market than in Ireland.

Casati

Marcusm wrote: »

Do you mean UK values? In the U.K., these cars have very low BIK rates do have been “artificially” popular beyond the natural appetite for them. They are generally fleet vehicles which are sold on after 3-5 years max. The U.K. motor tax system is not so penal for larger engines vehicles so these can be more popular on a the private market than in Ireland.

I was taking about Irish pricing as I’m fairly certain the OP is in Ireland and this isn’t an English forum

If you look at pricing for these premium Hybrids/ Phev’s secondhand in Ireland they are very close to pricing for the more popular lower powered / diesels even though they generally cost a lot more to buy new.

Merc 350e. - cheapest 2017 is 35,000

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz-e-class-e350e-hybrid-premium-2017/24862429

This has lost 35k in 3 years

Cheapest diesel E class - 220d - (with less than 50km) is 34,000 euro

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/131-per-week-mercedes-benz-e220d-exclusive/24963390

This has lost about 25k in three years

All these premium cars lose a tonne off their new prices especially in the first two or three years and PHEV’s or other hybrids don’t seem to be any different to the diesels. If anything they are worse

The Volvo S90 T8 is 80k new and suffers mega depreciation too

Cheapest 2018 R Design T8 on donedeal
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volvo-s90-t8-plug-in-hybrid-phev-2-0t-petrol-aw/24284747

New this was 80k so it’s lost 40k in 2 years


Similar S90 with D4 engine

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volvo-s90-2-0-d4-190-r-design-g-t-2018/25047281

New this was about 56k new so it’s lost almost 30k in 2 years

Great value to be had in 530e’s too, generally only a grand or two more than 520d though they are much closer in price to the diesel when new

I personally really like the 530e, the 350e and the S90 T8 but wouldn’t buy one thinking it going to be great for holding value when experience shows they have been terrible - as have most other hybrids/ PHEV’s in the premium class.

The last time the greens got in power they did a good job in making many car dealers bankrupt and putting thousands of motor industry workers out of jobs, while getting most of us into heavily pollluting diesels, so who knows what they are capable of this time round - but that’s probably for a politics forum