A Thread For Teaching People Irish Language

Jonathan1990

Although there may be one, never seen one on here apart from a special section (Teach na nGealt) for people that already know Irish. The 3 Gaelic languages Irish, Scottish and Welsh are rarely taught unlike in German or French which get regularly learned. I can translate something I know in Spanish which I even have no clue how you'd say in Irish.

Hello - Hola
How Are You - Como Estas
Fine - Bien

Ipso

Welsh isn’t a Gaelic language, Manx may be closely related.

byhookorbycrook

“ Rarely taught ?” I’m a fluent Irish speaker and am teaching myself Scots Gaelic via Duolingo . Posting random phrases without pronunciation isn’t particularly useful .

corner of hells

Depends, if you're Northern Irish you say fleg, whereas down here ,we say flag.

cj maxx

I thought Irish and Scottish Gaelic are the same language, with slight differences in pronunciation and spelling like and accent

suicide_circus

is maith liom ceapairi ithe ar an leithreas

buried

Jonathan1990 wrote: »

Although there may be one, never seen one on here apart from a special section (Teach na nGealt) for people that already know Irish. The 3 Gaelic languages Irish, Scottish and Welsh are rarely taught unlike in German or French which get regularly learned. I can translate something I know in Spanish which I even have no clue how you'd say in Irish.

Hello - Hola
How Are You - Como Estas
Fine - Bien

Watch a lot of 'Narcos' on the auld netflix?

Upforthematch

Ipso wrote: »

Welsh isn’t a Gaelic language, Manx may be closely related.

Welsh, Irish and Manx are all Celtic languages

Ipso

Upforthematch wrote: »

Welsh, Irish and Manx are all Celtic languages

But Welsh is on a different branch (P celtic) along with Breton, Cumbrian, Cornish, Pictish etc and where Gaelic, Scots Gaelic and Manx are on the Q branch.

Potential-Monke

Jonathan1990 wrote: »

Although there may be one, never seen one on here apart from a special section (Teach na nGealt) for people that already know Irish. The 3 Gaelic languages Irish, Scottish and Welsh are rarely taught unlike in German or French which get regularly learned. I can translate something I know in Spanish which I even have no clue how you'd say in Irish.

Gaelic language speakers: (2010) 1.4 million
German: 175/220 million
French: 275 million

That's why. Very few people use or speak gaelic enough to make it a language that other people 'need' to learn, unlike German and French which is far more popular for both native and dual language people.

I would like to have had a decent Irish teacher, as I can barely string a pre-learned sentence together and cannot hold a conversation, or even an opener in Irish. I can't see it becoming popular again, and will eventually only be learned by those with an interest. As much as people don't want to hear it, it's a dying language.

ILoveYourVibes

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

“ Rarely taught ?” I’m a fluent Irish speaker and am teaching myself Scots Gaelic via Duolingo . Posting random phrases without pronunciation isn’t particularly useful .

You must have a lot to say about Duolingo then!

ILoveYourVibes

There has to be motivation for learning a language.

For Irish people the motivation is the Leaving Cert. That is the goal. So when they go through it and finished they feel a sense of completion and achievement. But its also a sense of finality.

There isn't really a door that opens to another world (on first appearances ) in Irish as is obvious in Spanish or French. There are nearly 500 MILLION spanish speakers world wide.


So many books SO many different cultures. So many films etc.

French has 76 speakers who have it as a native language maybe 250 who use it as an official language or a lingua franca in some African countries.

The world opens up when you learn a language like that. Its easier to find immersion ..and you can keep it up easier.

Irish ...its a hidden language. It's interesting in many ways. But its hard to find the tools or people to practice it with to get to a high level ....not impossible etc but not as accessible.

The other thing is ..the goal set out by irish society isn't to speak it or to communicate through it...its to pass exams ...to do well on paper.

ILoveYourVibes

cj maxx wrote: »

I thought Irish and Scottish Gaelic are the same language, with slight differences in pronunciation and spelling like and accent

It is ....some different words and phrases but they are mutually intelligible. I can understand a lot of scots gaelic and I am NOT a fluent Irish speaker.

Carawaystick

cj maxx wrote: »

I thought Irish and Scottish Gaelic are the same language, with slight differences in pronunciation and spelling like and accent

Goidhlic and Gaeilge are different enough to be seperate languages,
lots of different words between them,

Dùbhlachd vs Nollag for December for example.

but the distance from Ireland would also play a part, a Donegal Gaeigoir would understand a lot of someone on Islay, but not as much up in Steòrnabhagh.

Written Manx is hard to figure out, but spoken Manx is very close to Gaeilge.

the Slavic languages are very close with lots of mutual comprehension, same as Romanian and Italian dialects.

Theres a good case to say Scots and English are different languages, they definitely were seperate a few centuries ago.

buried

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The other thing is ..the goal set out by irish society isn't to speak it or to communicate through it...its to pass exams ...to do well on paper.

This is exactly it, the majority of people in this country think that passing exams is the key to intelligence and enlightenment. The way that our own educational structure is designed here, especially through the formulaic, dead pan way our own language is taught in secondary schools, shows that way of education is nothing but a structured game in order to climb up the ladder not through the joy of learning, but the slog of the attempt, then you can forget about it.

Our language isn't the problem. The 'educational' system we have, is.

Lucky Lou

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You must have a lot to say about Duolingo then!

Duolingo has taught me to say "the girl is eating an apple" absolutely perfectly.
I cant think of a single opportunity to use it but I can say it.

ILoveYourVibes

Carawaystick wrote: »

Goidhlic and Gaeilge are different enough to be seperate languages,
.

-_-

Gaelige is a Goidhlic language.

ILoveYourVibes

Lucky Lou wrote: »

Duolingo has taught me to say "the girl is eating an apple" absolutely perfectly.
I cant think of a single opportunity to use it but I can say it.

It was telling a lot people who to say, 'I am a duck.' Perfectly too. 'We are elephants.' was another one.

It has also screwed up lenition.

Is lachan agam.

Upforthematch

Ipso wrote: »

But Welsh is on a different branch (P celtic) along with Breton, Cumbrian, Cornish, Pictish etc and where Gaelic, Scots Gaelic and Manx are on the Q branch.

Yes and nothing I said disputed that? All are celtic languages....

ILoveYourVibes

Lucky Lou wrote: »

Duolingo has taught me to say "the girl is eating an apple" absolutely perfectly.
I cant think of a single opportunity to use it but I can say it.

The idea is it just teaches you how a linguist has analyzed the language and come up with this way of understanding it. 'A RULE'.

Duolingo is not trying to teach you how to say the girl is eating an apple but a rule contained within that sentence.

However grammar is not the 100% key to speaking a language. It is an important part though. The key is to practise speaking it as much as you can.Also to listen.

Its impossible to listen to Irish people speak Irish much in Dublin. Even on youtube I can't find may videos of people just speaking about anything like make up or anything really.



I can find videos in Spanish about make up ..books ...politics ..films ...even the simpsons or rick and morty are in spanish.

HONESTLY rick and morty in spanish is even better than original rick and morty!

Ipso

Upforthematch wrote: »

Yes and nothing I said disputed that? All are celtic languages....

Ok. But wasn’t your reply was in reply to my reply that Welsh wasn’t a Gaelic language?
All part of the same group, but I don’t think the languages are intelligible across groups.

ILoveYourVibes

Ipso wrote: »

Ok. But wasn’t your reply was in reply to my reply that Welsh wasn’t a Gaelic language?
All part of the same group, but I don’t think the languages are intelligible across groups.

I can't understand any welsh.

ILoveYourVibes

We should get rid of Rick and Morty in English and just keep the Spanish version.

Tu casa es un arbol! ??

Potential-Monke

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

We should get rid of Rick and Morty in English and just keep the Spanish version.

No

Church on Tuesday

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Gaelic language speakers: (2010) 1.4 million
German: 175/220 million
French: 275 million

That's why. Very few people use or speak gaelic enough to make it a language that other people 'need' to learn, unlike German and French which is far more popular for both native and dual language people.

I would like to have had a decent Irish teacher, as I can barely string a pre-learned sentence together and cannot hold a conversation, or even an opener in Irish. I can't see it becoming popular again, and will eventually only be learned by those with an interest. As much as people don't want to hear it, it's a dying language.

Far from it.

If a Famine could not kill it, nothing in the modern age will either.

cj maxx

I. Always thought Nollag was Christmas,not December.
Something fhomhar was December?

ILoveYourVibes

Potential-Monke wrote: »

No

TRUST ME IT IS SO MUCH FUNNIER!

ILoveYourVibes

cj maxx wrote: »

I. Always thought Nollag was Christmas,not December.
Something fhomhar was December?

You are thinking either sept or oct i think.

ILoveYourVibes

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Far from it.

If a Famine could not kill it, nothing in the modern age will either.

The moment you think something cannot happen you stop trying to prevent it.

Besides it's 2020 ...don't think it can't happen.

Besides ..things like the celtic tiger are what kill culture. People get rich and distracted ..they get haughty or greedy and think the arts don't matter

It was when the rich class stopped sponsoring the bards that the irish language started to wain. Arts and entertainment keep a language alive.

cj maxx

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You are thinking either sept or oct i think.

Mean and deiredh? Formhor? September and October. Ah well I learn something new every day

ILoveYourVibes

cj maxx wrote: »

Mean and deiredh? Formhor? September and October. Ah well I learn something new every day

DID YOU KNOW ....that on average native speakers of a language continue to learn ONE new word in that native language every day for the rest of their adult lives!

Ireland tis a very catholic country ...Irish reflects that.

jimbobaloobob

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

DID YOU KNOW ....that on average native speakers of a language continue to learn ONE new word in that native language every day for the rest of their adult lives!

Ireland tis a very catholic country ...Irish reflects that.

I hope money wasn’t wasted on that research

ILoveYourVibes

jimbobaloobob wrote: »

I hope money wasn’t wasted on that research

No....feel free to be a jerk!:)

jimbobaloobob

Where does a did you know like that come from.

Do you learn a new word in English everyday?
I haven’t learnt a new word in English or Irish everyday in I don’t know how long.

ILoveYourVibes

jimbobaloobob wrote: »

Where does a did you know like that come from.

Linguists. And child development specialists. There is what they call expressive and receptive vocab. Expressive is what you can say. Receptive is what you can understand. Your receptive vocabulary is much more than your expressive vocab up to 3 or four times as much.

They measure how many words people know at different ages.

native speakers learn about one word a day from ages 16 to 50

But this is mostly in receptive vocab ..you might not remember learning it and know how to USE it ..but if you hear the word again you will understand it's meaning vaguely.

6 The 6-year-old child typically has a 2,600 word expressive vocabulary (words he or she says), and a receptive vocabulary (words he or she understands) of 20,000–24,000 words. 12 By the time a child is 12 years old, he/she will understand (have a receptive vocabulary) of about 50,000 words.

Its a very important field of study. It has helped people with things like dyslexia etc. Its also how experts started to realize that talking to children who might be autistic or cannot speak is vital. They also realized that having an expressive vocab is totally different from having a receptive vocab. And that talking alone to children isn't enough to help them talk.


A friend of mine who is polish told me that her son had something wrong with this throat and vocal chords when he was born. The doctors told her he would likely have a speech delay but it was physical not mental. He did...he didn't speak for ages. She had planned he would be bi lingual ..so she asked for advice. They told her to speak to some child development specialists. They told her he would maybe be able to have a normal receptive vocabulary on both languages but to concentrate on an expressive vocabulary in one. He struggled to speak at first and couldn't manage polish ...but felt natural in English. She continued by speaking in polish to him and encouraging him to speak in english. To this day ....when tested his receptive vocab is almost the same in polish as a polish child's but his expressive vocab in polish is very very poor ..because he never learnt how to speak it due to his first speaking problems.

We don't learn expressive vocab by hearing it ...we can't use a word because we have heard it ...even if we have heard it for years.

Also in bi lingual children there is a huge receptive expressive vocab disparity ...especially if the environment of one of their languages has a much more expansive vocab that the other ....for example a child with spanish parents but goes to school in english ...a classroom full of geography etc is a more expansive vocab environment that the spanish one at home ..and so even if a child has heard spanish words at home these don't go into expressive vocabulary the english will ...but they will go into the receptive vocab ...they often have i know what that word is but i can't think of it moments ..they understand it when it is said but can't reproduce it ...
Its very interesting....and i really hope more money is spent on it.

Potential-Monke

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

TRUST ME IT IS SO MUCH FUNNIER!

I watched the 2 clips posted, and it's most likely because I can't understand them, but the Pickle Rick scene just didn't have the same oomph the English version had with the reveal. I was waiting for "Soy pepinillo Rick!!" (I used Google) and I didn't even notice it being said, instead there was what appeared to me as verbal diarrhea instead of a exclamation!

spurious

Ipso wrote:

But Welsh is on a different branch (P celtic) along with Breton, Cumbrian, Cornish, Pictish etc and where Gaelic, Scots Gaelic and Manx are on the Q branch.

I loved 'Stair na Teanga' at school. Best part of the course. Cathair and Pedwar.

ILoveYourVibes

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I watched the 2 clips posted, and it's most likely because I can't understand them, but the Pickle Rick scene just didn't have the same oomph the English version had with the reveal. I was waiting for "Soy pepinillo Rick!!" (I used Google) and I didn't even notice it being said, instead there was what appeared to me as verbal diarrhea instead of a exclamation!

He does say it several times


He says (my janky version)

mi converti en un pepinello morty

Revelacion!

peinello rrrrrrriiiick

Soy un pepinilllooooo rrrrriiiiiick (EXTRA TONGUE FLICK)

Que pensas sobre eso !

que mas quieres que ta diga

el 9 11 fue un trabajo interno

que importa el terroisme sucido todas las dias a que algo a que no pasado ante SOY UN PEPINILLLO RRRIIICK

The last soy un pepinillo ....should be clear ....

First time i heard it ...dyin!

Its like ...

Meaning.

I turned myself into a pickle

Revelation ...big reveal

What do you think of that! What do you say to that.

9 11 was an inside job

What does it matter all those days of terrorism IM A PICKLE!

And yeah i know my spanish is janky.

Also ...THIS IS NOT FAST SPANISH ...this is latino spanish! THAT WAS SLOW!

It SO has more oomph for me!

Hamsterchops

Upforthematch wrote: »

Welsh, Irish and Manx are all Celtic languages

And Scots Gaelic I presume?

We get BBC ALBA on our TV along with TG4, and the Scots Gaelic sounds very similar to Irish, we also get to hear Welsh on S4C, which is like so totally different in every way to Scots & Irish, and I've always wondered why?

Never heard Manx spoken, must check it out.

ILoveYourVibes

Hamsterchops wrote: »

And Scots Gaelic I presume?

We get BBC ALBA on our TV along with TG4, and the Scots Gaelic sounds very similar to Irish, we also get to hear Welsh on S4C, which is like so totally different in every way to Scots & Irish, and I've always wondered why?

Never heard Manx spoken, must check it out.

I had not really heard it much either ..so i was curious ..so i found this for you

He says he is speaking manx

He says i am eoghan someone ..i am 16 years old ..i am from ...somewhere

I don't understand ruggage and buggage ...so i put the subtitles on at that point (like a few secs in)

He then says manx is very like irish and scots gaelic

My Iirsh is pretty poor tho..i suspect a fluent speaker would understand maybe 80%? I could understand the first two sentences ...and maybe the last two. Then some odd words.

I understood the last bit ..thank you for listening to me etc.

Welsh i have heard but can't understand a word of.

topper75

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I don't understand ruggage and buggage ...

That is like our 'rugadh agus tógadh'...born and raised...

cj maxx

jimbobaloobob wrote: »

Where does a did you know like that come from.

Do you learn a new word in English everyday?
I haven’t learnt a new word in English or Irish everyday in I don’t know how long.

I'm always learning new words in English. I might forget others but I always meet new words

whisky_galore

If only there was a dedicated forum for the Irish language...oh yeah the one that the last posting was a fortnight ago.

jimbobaloobob

cj maxx wrote: »

I'm always learning new words in English. I might forget others but I always meet new words

No doubt cj but can you say you’re learning a new word everyday all your adult life so far?

ILoveYourVibes

topper75 wrote: »

That is like our 'rugadh agus tógadh'...born and raised...

I would not know what that meant either!

ILoveYourVibes

whisky_galore wrote: »

If only there was a dedicated forum for the Irish language...oh yeah the one that the last posting was a fortnight ago.

Every day is Irish day ..every thread can be irish thread ..ONLY NO RACISTS we pee on racists here!

There is a geis on racists in the Irish language ! :mad: Language doesn't like them.

ILoveYourVibes

jimbobaloobob wrote: »

No doubt cj but can you say you’re learning a new word everyday all your adult life so far?

Perhaps you would not put it to your expressive vocab. But you would get its context if you met it again ...or the jist ...

But things you don't put to your expressive vocab ..you don't remember ...you won't be able to think of ..you won't remember them until they are said to you again.

You might not even remember hearing them.

Hamsterchops

buried wrote: »

Our language isn't the problem. The 'educational' system we have, is.

Problem is, this discussion has been going since Irish was introduced into our schools in the 1930s, with every generation since saying what you've just said

Jump to 2030 and I don't doubt that a similar post will be posted by somebody on a future incarnation of board.ie

The Irish language itself is fine, it's just that we need to accept that it's not our national language, and neither has it been for well over one hundred years, maybe much longer . . . .

Keep Irish, protect it and cherish it as our 2nd language. The teaching of (and the attitude towards Irish) as our 1st official language isn't going to change, so things will carry on as they've always done, since the 1930s...

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Problem is, this discussion has been going since Irish was introduced into our schools in the 1930s, with every generation since saying what you've just said

Jump to 2030 and I don't doubt that a similar post will be posted by somebody on a future incarnation of board.ie

The Irish language itself is fine, it's just that we need to accept that it's not our national language, and neither has it been for well over one hundred years, maybe much longer . . . .

Keep Irish, protect it and cherish it as our 2nd language. The teaching of (and the attitude towards Irish) as our 1st official language isn't going to change, so things will carry on as they've always done, since the 1930s...

Lot's of common sense in that post. (perhaps too much for some;))

We Irish have our own unique way of using and speaking English. It's our native tongue now, as much as it is in any other country. It doesn't really matter if it was beaten into us hundreds of years ago... that was the past and most of us have moved on from those dark days. Our brains have fully adjusted to being English speaking. In some respects, we actually speak it better than the English themselves! (this is subjective obviously)

cj maxx

jimbobaloobob wrote: »

No doubt cj but can you say you’re learning a new word everyday all your adult life so far?

God no I would never even try to say that. If I averaged it out I'd be stretching for even 1 a month

byhookorbycrook

cj maxx wrote: »

I thought Irish and Scottish Gaelic are the same language, with slight differences in pronunciation and spelling like and accent

No, there are quite a lot of differences. You could , just about , make yourself understand one language if you knew the other. I’m using this time to teach myself Scots Gaelic and there are significant differences, particularly if you don’t have Donegal Irish .
“ Cha toil leum hama idir “ is the Scots version of “ Ní Maith liom liamhás in aon chor .”