Limerick LGBTQ youth organise a BLM and Anti Racism Solidarity protest

banie01

I know that our youth tend to be perceived in a poor light at the best of times but this short notice effort by a group of youths in Limerick really has given me a lot of hope for their future.

There has already been engagement with An Garda, the local LGBT and Immigrant support services, and a real effort to do this and do it right.

A group of 16/17 year old "kids" have even arranged a risk assessment and voluntary stewarding for this.

Look I'd be the first to say, American problem doesn't matter what happens here.
It's virtue signalling and a whole pile of cop the fúck on to go with that.
Then I listened to some Irish kids share their own stories. Be it the racism or homophobia they encounter on a regular basis, often from people of my age who should know better.

Change what we can, we can't make the world a better place without treating each other better to start with.

Let's make respect a virus, let's start with ourselves and make it an epidemic.

banie01

2u2me

Respect is earned and cannot be forced. It does not kill. Virus' do. This false equivalence is anti-science.

Kermit.de.frog

banie01 wrote: »

Let's make respect a virus, let's start with ourselves and make it an epidemic.

Noble sentiments but, I have to say, this is the cringiest post I think I have ever seen on boards :pac:

banie01

2u2me wrote: »

Respect is earned and cannot be forced. It does not kill. Virus' do. This false equivalence is anti-science.

So you must earn my respect for your right to exist?

2u2me

banie01 wrote: »

So you must earn my respect for your right to exist?

Your right to exist has nothing to do with me respecting you.

banie01

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Noble sentiments but, I have to say, this is the cringiest post I think I have ever seen on boards :pac:

I'm not going to win over many, I know.
That said kids making efforts to break cycles of learned hate is to be lauded IMO.

It may leave me looking like I've sucked electric lemons, but there's nowt wrong with that

Joe Columbo

Racism and homophobia have nothing to do with each other.


Some of the most homophobic countries in the world are where black people are the majority.

Tacitus Kilgore

Joe Columbo wrote: »

Racism and homophobia have nothing to do with each other.


Some of the most homophobic countries in the world are where black people are the majority.

There are many countries where things are worse or better than in other countries.

That doesn't mean we should ignore our own racism and homophobia issues.

banie01

Joe Columbo wrote: »

Racism and homophobia have nothing to do with each other.


Some of the most homophobic countries in the world are where black people are the majority.

So because some majority black countries are homophobic, it's alright for us to be too?

As for Racism/Homophobia not being related?
I'd strongly disagree, insofar that both are learned hates and behaviour.
Both leave entire communities marginalized and mistreated.
Both can and do cause serious inequality in health, social, educational and justice.

That some young people see not an equivalence in their experiences here, with others and share empathy for that pain isn't something to be discouraged IMO.

If you feel it should be?
Can you expand on why?

Quantum Erasure

Joe Columbo wrote: »

Racism and homophobia have nothing to do with each other.


Some of the most homophobic countries in the world are where black people are the majority.

so black people can't be racist???

/s

drunkmonkey

Jesus LGBTQTBLM+ march in a pandemic, is there no end to this nonsense.
The sooner there's county lockdowns the better, they'll see who's lives really matter then.

Tacitus Kilgore

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Jesus LGBTQTBLM+ march in a pandemic, is there no end to this nonsense.
The sooner there's county lockdowns the better, they'll see who's lives really matter then.

It'll be a static protest/demo not a march, there were a few around the country over the weekend. Some were excellently socially distanced & vast majority in attendance wore masks - done much better than the queues for all the shops anyway that's for sure.

But Irish people queueing mushed together for hours to buy cheap socks and jocks doesn't seem to raise much outrage for some reason.

drunkmonkey

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

It'll be a static protest/demo not a march, there were a few around the country over the weekend. Some were excellently socially distanced & vast majority in attendance wore masks - done much better than the queues for all the shops anyway that's for sure.

But Irish people queueing mushed together for hours to buy cheap socks and jocks doesn't seem to raise much outrage for some reason.

Jocks and Socks matter, supporting american politically motivated clowns doesn't. They should stay at home.

Tacitus Kilgore

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Jocks and Socks matter, supporting american politically motivated clowns doesn't. They should stay at home.

Well if you bothered to read up on any of the protests you would find that they are protesting against local issues also.

Those issues matter despite your opinion

drunkmonkey

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Well if you bothered to read up on any of the protests you would find that they are protesting against local issues also.

Those issues matter despite your opinion

There all clowns that's my opinion. Stay at home is the best thing they could do if they care about Irish lives. I'd honestly like to go down with a bamboo stick and beat some sense into them.
There's a time to protest, the middle of a pandemic is not one of them.

Joe Columbo

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

so black people can't be racist???

/s

Of course they can.


It's just this march seems to be a show of solidarity between LGBT and black people and yet many majority black countries don't seem to have reciprocated this over the years.


I don't buy the all us supposed victims should join together and defeat the oppressors argument that constantly gets thrown out there by various groups over the years.

Tacitus Kilgore

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There all clowns that's my opinion. Stay at home is the best thing they could do if they care about Irish lives. I'd honestly like to go down with a bamboo stick and beat some sense into them.
There's a time to protest, the middle of a pandemic is not one of them.

That is some half arsed argument I'll give you that.

Tell me this, what's the difference between this protest and the queue for pennies?

banie01

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There all clowns that's my opinion. Stay at home is the best thing they could do if they care about Irish lives. I'd honestly like to go down with a bamboo stick and beat some sense into them.
There's a time to protest, the middle of a pandemic is not one of them.

Violence?
Really....
Against children trying to exercise some social conscience and with a concerted plan to socially distance in place?

Joe Columbo

banie01 wrote: »

So because some majority black countries are homophobic, it's alright for us to be too?

As for Racism/Homophobia not being related?
I'd strongly disagree, insofar that both are learned hates and behaviour.
Both leave entire communities marginalized and mistreated.
Both can and do cause serious inequality in health, social, educational and justice.

That some young people see not an equivalence in their experiences here, with others and share empathy for that pain isn't something to be discouraged IMO.

If you feel it should be?
Can you expand on why?

There is no more similarity between racism and homophobia than there is between any other forms of bullying or mistreatment that exist in the world today.


These marches are just because it's the current trendy cause that will get likes on twitter not because it makes any difference.

Gatling

More soapboxing from another group ,
You won't see black teens in this country protesting LGBT rights not a hope ,
The sooner schools and colleges get back to normal the better

What about ginger / red heads ( haired ) people ?
I recall them being discriminated against , especially in primary school / secondary school+ college .

Surely , they ( ginger / red head people ) were affected in some way by this Ginger - Phobia .

Let's organize a march for those " minority " people also .

GLM ( Ginger lives matter ).

Tacitus Kilgore

THE_SHEEP wrote: »

What about ginger / red heads ( haired ) people ?
I recall them being discriminated against , especially in primary school / secondary school+ college .

Surely , they ( ginger / red head people ) were affected in some way by this Ginger - Phobia .

Let's organize a march for those " minority " people also .

GLM ( Ginger lives matter ).

Whatabout the whatabouterers - they matter.


The chants at the rallys this weekend were:

Black lives matter
All lives matter

So, yeah, GLM brother.

banie01

Joe Columbo wrote: »

There is no more similarity between racism and homophobia than there is between any other forms of bullying or mistreatment that exist in the world today.


These marches are just because it's the current trendy cause that will get likes of twitter not because it makes any difference.

Read your 1st sentence back to yourself, slowly...

You lay out exactly why these people can empathize with others in pain and why they know solidarity matters.
Because sometimes knowing that you matter, that someone someone cares is the support for people to carry on a struggle against injustice.
You lay out the reasons why that is important and then miss the point spectacularly!

It reminds me of this

nj27

BLM need to disassociate with the far left. They're being used as a battering ram against the establishment by people with little genuine concern for black interests.

drunkmonkey

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Black lives matter
All lives matter

Can they not make up their mind?

Tacitus Kilgore

nj27 wrote: »

BLM need to disassociate with the far left. They're being used as a battering ram against the establishment by people with little genuine concern for black interests.

It's not BLM as an organisation here in Ireland, its just local kids looking to make a difference to peoples lives, forget the american political element to BLM over there, these are just people hoping to live in a country where they don't have to explain to their kids why people keep calling them ****.

Tacitus Kilgore

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Can they not make up their mind?

Can you not make up your mind on the difference between the queue for pennies and a static protest?

suicide_circus

to be sure its nice to get back into active society after a 3 month lockdown

banie01

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

It's not BLM as an organisation here in Ireland, its just local kids looking to make a difference to peoples lives, forget the american political element to BLM over there, these are just people hoping to live in a country where they don't have to explain to their kids why people keep calling them ****.

This is precisely it.

Kids wanting to elicit local changes in attitude, kids who have encountered homophobia, racism and sometimes both.

Using the global movement around BLM to try and at least raise awareness locally and change a mind or 2.

Strumms

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

That is some half arsed argument I'll give you that.

Tell me this, what's the difference between this protest and the queue for pennies?

A Q for a shop can be effectively managed. A protest like this cannot 100%.

A Q for a shop does not have an emotive attachment that will cloud judgement and influence behaviors.

They are the two main things. I’m all for equality, protesting, lobbying, you name it. Letting your voice and opinions be heard, to influence and educate... but I’m loosing all empathy and respect for these and any and ALL fûckwits who choose this timing and this method to get their point across.

I agree with the message overall but how they have chosen to deliver it and when.. should win them fûck all friends.. they need a serious hot cup of cop on...

That said they probably achieved what they wanted from their little toys out of the pram escapade... people looking at them, talking about them, noticing their plight....

They probably consider themselves ‘brave’ and this is how it will be marketed... when the truth is that it’s just self serving, careless, belligerent and inward looking... nothing about them to be lauded or admired as a result of this..

Tacitus Kilgore

Strumms wrote: »

A Q for a shop can be effectively managed. A protest like this cannot 100%.

A Q for a shop does not have an emotive attachment that will cloud judgement and influence behaviors.

They are the two main things. I’m all for equality, protesting, lobbying, you name it. Letting your voice and opinions be heard, to influence and educate... but I’m loosing all empathy and respect for these and any and ALL fûckwits who choose this timing and this method to get their point across.

I agree with the message overall but how they have chosen to deliver it and when.. should win them fûck all friends.. they need a serious hot cup of cop on...

That said they probably achieved what they wanted from their little toys out of the pram escapade... people looking at them, talking about them, noticing their plight....

They probably consider themselves ‘brave’ and this is how it will be marketed... when the truth is that it’s just self serving, careless, belligerent and inward looking... nothing about them to be lauded or admired as a result of this..

I am speaking on a factual basis from my direct experience, the queues for pennies were not and are still not being managed correctly, but the protest I saw was effectively socially distanced & vast vast majority were wearing masks. By your own logic we should not have these shops open.

I'm not arsed responding to any of the rest of that.

Joe Columbo

banie01 wrote: »

Read your 1st sentence back to yourself, slowly...

You lay out exactly why these people can empathize with others in pain and why they know solidarity matters.
Because sometimes knowing that you matter, that someone someone cares is the support for people to carry on a struggle against injustice.
You lay out the reasons why that is important and then miss the point spectacularly!

It reminds me of this

But solidarity makes no difference,there is no linkage between racism and homophobia they are 2 completely different things if there was some inherent link between the 2 causes then majority black countries would be a haven for Gay people and they certainly aren't.

Strumms

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

I am speaking on a factual basis from my direct experience, the queues for pennies were not and are still not being managed correctly, but the protest I saw was effectively socially distanced & vast vast majority were wearing masks. By your own logic we should not have these shops open.

I'm not arsed responding to any of the rest of that.

Well take it up with Pennys so.

As for the rest of your post, absolute self serving rubbish and lies...

A reminder...

You can:

meet up to 6 people indoors or outdoors for social gatherings, but keep at least 2 metres apart

attend medical appointments, collect medicine or other health products

exercise outdoors in groups of up to 15 people - within the county you live or 20 km of your home, as long as you can avoid contact, practice good respiratory hygiene, keep at least 2 metres apart and do not share equipment

visit outdoor spaces, playgrounds and tourism sites, within your own county or 20 km from your home, where you can keep at least 2 metres apart from other people.


People were not keeping 2 meters apart, in fact physical contact was being made.

People travelled to the demo from other counties.

Tacitus Kilgore

Strumms wrote: »

Well take it up with Pennys so.

As for the rest of your post, absolute self serving rubbish and lies...

A reminder...

You can:

meet up to 6 people indoors or outdoors for social gatherings, but keep at least 2 metres apart

attend medical appointments, collect medicine or other health products

exercise outdoors in groups of up to 15 people - within the county you live or 20 km of your home, as long as you can avoid contact, practice good respiratory hygiene, keep at least 2 metres apart and do not share equipment

visit outdoor spaces, playgrounds and tourism sites, within your own county or 20 km from your home, where you can keep at least 2 metres apart from other people.


People were not keeping 2 meters apart, in fact physical contact was being made.

People travelled to the demo from other counties.

No, I am taking it up with you as you piped up.

The protest I saw at the weekend was garda sanctioned & supported, and 2m distancing was kept quite well as is the upcoming one so that argument is invalid.

Regarding people travelling from other counties I cannot comment as I can't say they did or didn't for sure.

Don't care what you think was self serving but what did I say that was lies?

Strumms

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

No, I am taking it up with you as you piped up.

The protest I saw at the weekend was garda sanctioned & supported, and 2m distancing was kept quite well as is the upcoming one so that argument is invalid.

Regarding people travelling from other counties I cannot comment as I can't say they did or didn't for sure.

Don't care what you think was self serving but what did I say that was lies?

If you don’t care what I think ? Why are you actually repeatedly requesting my opinion and asking what I think ? You are somewhat of a contradictory character aren’t you, to put it politely !

‘Quite well’ just isn’t good enough.

People traveling from other counties ? They DID. Do a bit of research and educate yourself, an inconvenient truth.

I am unaware regarding Garda sanctioned but regardless of it being or not , I can’t find ANY evidence that it was sanctioned, it’s still careless and irresponsible, self serving...

Tacitus Kilgore

Strumms wrote: »

If you don’t care what I think ? Why are you actually repeatedly requesting my opinion and asking what I think ? You are somewhat of a contradictory character aren’t you, to put it politely !

‘Quite well’ just isn’t good enough.

People traveling from other counties ? They DID. Do a bit of research and educate yourself, an inconvenient truth.

I am unaware regarding Garda sanctioned but regardless of it being or not , I can’t find ANY evidence that it was sanctioned, it’s still careless and irresponsible, self serving...

Do a bit of research and educate yourself he says.

Im out.

pawdee

Calm down everyone. Let's say a decade of the Rosary.

statesaver

Will they march for this girl ?

https://twitter.com/NAChristakis/status/1272667594298994688

Course not.

banie01

statesaver wrote: »

Will they march for this girl ?

https://twitter.com/NAChristakis/status/1272667594298994688

It's a static protest not a march, to raise awareness of local racism and homophobia whilst trying to raise awareness for those oppressed because of Colour, Creed or Sexuality everywhere.

So at a push, I'm going to say yes.

statesaver

banie01 wrote: »

It's a static protest not a march, to raise awareness of local racism and homophobia whilst trying to raise awareness for those oppressed because of Colour, Creed or Sexuality everywhere.

So at a push, I'm going to say yes.

I'm looking forward to the Muslim community speaking out in condemnation of the treatment of homosexuals in Muslim countries and then the Chinese community speaking out in condemnation of the treatment of blacks in China.

If it wasn't for the travel restrictions I'd go to Limerick just so I can show my support for those oppressed because of Colour, Creed or Sexuality everywhere.

banie01

statesaver wrote: »

I'm looking forward to the Muslim community speaking out in condemnation of the treatment of homosexuals in Muslim countries and then the Chinese community speaking out in condemnation of the treatment of blacks in China.

If it wasn't for the travel restrictions I'd go to Limerick just so I can show my support for those oppressed because of Colour, Creed or Sexuality everywhere.

I'm trying to see your point here other than it being whataboutery?

A group of kids are trying to use a hot button topic to raise awareness of local issues, racism and homophobia.
But as they don't appear to be rounding up a representative of every oppressive regime to denounce all those specific oppressors?
They should just not do anything?

Does change happen as a tidal wave? Or a step at a time?

LiquidZeb

banie01 wrote: »

I know that our youth tend to be perceived in a poor light at the best of times but this short notice effort by a group of youths in Limerick really has given me a lot of hope for their future.

There has already been engagement with An Garda, the local LGBT and Immigrant support services, and a real effort to do this and do it right.

A group of 16/17 year old "kids" have even arranged a risk assessment and voluntary stewarding for this.

Look I'd be the first to say, American problem doesn't matter what happens here.
It's virtue signalling and a whole pile of cop the fúck on to go with that.
Then I listened to some Irish kids share their own stories. Be it the racism or homophobia they encounter on a regular basis, often from people of my age who should know better.

Change what we can, we can't make the world a better place without treating each other better to start with.

Let's make respect a virus, let's start with ourselves and make it an epidemic.

Good on you for making the point. Good on the lads arranging the event for encouraging attendees to social distance and act responsibly. There's plenty of begrudging old farts who'll leap at the chance to run them down though.

DrGreenThumb82

We've had a half Indian gay man as Taoiseach. Two female Presidents. The first country in the world to vote to legalise same sex marriage.

We have one of the fairest societies in the world.

I'm not sure what exactly the are protesting.

Direct provision perhaps? That would be fair enough I suppose but given the dearth of protests prior to the upset in America forgive me for thinking this is more virtue signalling nonsense so they can fill their Instagram feeds with photos and stories about how great they are.

The same crowd that were hysterical about Kony2012. Remember him. All but forgotten about.

Bobblehats

White flag much? I think we’ve conceded enough ground for that sort of hippy rhetoric

statesaver

banie01 wrote: »

I'm trying to see your point here other than it being whataboutery?

A group of kids are trying to use a hot button topic to raise awareness of local issues, racism and homophobia.
But as they don't appear to be rounding up a representative of every oppressive regime to denounce all those specific oppressors?
They should just not do anything?

Does change happen as a tidal wave? Or a step at a time?

So now it's local, you posted saying everywhere. Guess you don't care. Like I posted before white liberals are the real racists.

banie01

statesaver wrote: »

So now it's local, you posted saying everywhere. Guess you don't care. Like I posted before white liberals are the real racists.

Worldwide topic, local issues and solidarity with other people experiencing fear, isolation or oppression.

Is that clear enough for you?


If you'd care to expound your white liberal racist theory, I'm happy to read it.

Joe Columbo

banie01 wrote: »

Worldwide topic, local issues and solidarity with other people experiencing fear, isolation or oppression.

Is that clear enough for you?


If you'd care to expound your white liberal racist theory, I'm happy to read it.

Probably due to the fact that modern day white liberals seem to think that black people can't get along in life without whitey giving them a leg up and helping them along with favorable treatment,quotas and not challenging anything they claim.Which is all extremely patronizing and exactly how you would treat someone who you think is inferior to you rather than how you would treat someone who is equal to you.

Annasopra

Joe Columbo wrote: »

Racism and homophobia have nothing to do with each other.


Some of the most homophobic countries in the world are where black people are the majority.

Its all based on irrational fears and hatred and discrimination so sorry but no.

Annasopra

Joe Columbo wrote: »

Racism and homophobia have nothing to do with each other.


Some of the most homophobic countries in the world are where black people are the majority.

Basically what you are trying to say is you want LGBT people to be racist. Nah. You're alright thanks.

Joe Columbo

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Basically what you are trying to say is you want LGBT people to be racist. Nah. You're alright thanks.

Yes that's exactly what I said there.