successful people

2lazytogetup

looking at news of a new president of the high court.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ms-justice-mary-irvine-to-be-nominated-as-president-of-the-high-court-1.4277609?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fcrime-and-law%2Fms-justice-mary-irvine-to-be-nominated-as-president-of-the-high-court-1.4277609

She came from an exclusive private school and born into wealth.

But wondering what is the main cause that people reach such heights and become successful in their fields. is it:

1. work ethic driven by your parents- forced to study and it becomes a habit
2. having a natural work ethic- as in you want to study and do well.
2. good genes that make you more intelligent
3. connections
4. higher classes less likely to be in the pub on a sunday afternoon.

i dont know
any thoughts?

dilallio

There are 2 very simple rules for success:

1. Never reveal everything you know.

Church on Tuesday

2lazytogetup wrote: »

looking at news of a new president of the high court.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ms-justice-mary-irvine-to-be-nominated-as-president-of-the-high-court-1.4277609?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fcrime-and-law%2Fms-justice-mary-irvine-to-be-nominated-as-president-of-the-high-court-1.4277609

She came from an exclusive private school and born into wealth.

But wondering what is the main cause that people reach such heights and become successful in their fields. is it:

1. work ethic driven by your parents- forced to study and it becomes a habit
2. having a natural work ethic- as in you want to study and do well.
2. good genes that make you more intelligent
3. connections
4. higher classes less likely to be in the pub on a sunday afternoon.

i dont know
any thoughts?

Ambition and determination.

Luck and being in the right place at the right time does play a part, it very hard to just start studying in secondary school so you need a good primary education particularly the foundation in English and Maths to build on.

Background and family attitude to education is a factor as well.

The vast majority of parents want the best for their children but there is a difference between wanting the best and doing the best.

KevRossi

Judges are personal appointments, so connections and networking help a lot. Many people go into the professions of their parents, nothing new there.

It's a mix of several things, but hard work is one of them, good personal skills and being able to nurture chances and contacts helps a lot. Of course being born into an area like that helps, as you've known the contacts since you were a kid, it gives you a certain headstart in life. But you can work your way up from nothing too, some of the most successful people in business started with literally nothing.

Car99

If your parents have money and give you financial support for the nicer things in life all through your life it frees you up to concentrate on study and achieving success in your chosen career. If on the other hand you have to get a part time job as soon as you are old enough to get some of the nicer things in life its alot more difficult to achieve that success in your career and financially long term.

Car99

Car99 wrote: »

If your parents have money and give you financial support for the nicer things in life all through your life it frees you up to concentrate on study and achieving success in your chosen career. If on the other hand you have to get a part time job as soon as you are old enough to get some of the nicer things in life its alot more difficult to achieve that success in your career and financially long term.

As i pointed out in another thread Jacinda Arden Prime Minister of New Zealand worked in a chip shop from the age of 14.

SEPT 23 1989

obviously her looks

Looks and, more importantly, whether your parents have money or not.

riffmongous

I'd love to see the stats for rich lists and inherited wealth

CageWager

1. IQ
2. Luck
3. Timing
4. Hard Work

Figel Narage

Connections, hard work, ambition and a lot of luck I would guess

Esse85

Knowing what they want in life, putting a plan in place to achieve it, making sacrifices and remaining focused.

MikeD22

People are a product of their environment. It moulds you.
If you grow up around people with a strong work ethic and who value education then you are more likely to adopt the same mindset.

Success breeds success. Not always but it certainly helps to be brought up in that environment.

SEPT 23 1989

A nice financial safety net allows you the luxury to make mistakes

When you don't have that one bad decision and it's all over

buried

For this wan it must have been the chance to represent such werewolves as the Congregation of Christian Brothers at the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse

Larbre34

I see the father was Deputy DG of RTÉ at one stage. Cue the establishment brickbats!!

She's already a judge of the Supreme Court and a was a youth International golfer. She went to convent school in Dublin and UCD, no Swiss finishing schools and the Sorbonne there anyway.

But lets cut the nonsense, she qualified and excelled as a jurist due to her own hard work. Good luck to her in her demanding new job.

Car99

mariaalice wrote: »

As i pointed out in another thread Jacinda Arden Prime Minister of New Zealand worked in a chip shop from the age of 14.

I said it makes it easier to succeed, obviously hard work and ability in certain individuals is enough.

begbysback

the_syco

mariaalice wrote: »

As i pointed out in another thread Jacinda Arden Prime Minister of New Zealand worked in a chip shop from the age of 14.

And in the party since she was 17.

the_syco

the_syco wrote: »

And in the party since she was 17.

Yeah so hard work and ambition, of course, circumstance play a big part in all of this but dismissing the hard work and saying its all about wealth and connections and who the parents are is disingenuous.

Oops!

In Ireland anyway it's no.3 connections...

completedit

begbysback wrote: »

I always feel Peterson's work and advice is designed and tailored for highly intellectual lazy people. If you're an idiot with enough curiosity to listen to him, he just confirms your doubts.

pgj2015

Being friends with people who are ambitious is important. it drives everyone to be as successful.

Edgware

Nothing succeeds like a toothless canary

PhilOssophy

I don't agree that successful people are made in private schools. Made easier, yes. And you might get a few extra points in the leaving.
But connections are something you can make if you want to. There is no point sitting at home watching Netflix wondering why you aren't progressing or making work connections. Networking at seminars, professional institutions, etc is where a network is built. I made loads of them at these events and never once was I asked "What school did I go to".
It ties in with hard work, I would argue hard work and building a network go hand in hand, because going to these events, and putting yourself out there, is hard work too.
There's also an element of "being tough, but not so tough that people dislike you or get their back up". Fight your corner but know which battles to fight.
Ireland is so small that inevitably an element of jobs, etc are through who you know, but if you want to you can get to know these people too!

Tell me how

There are so many different careers, so many different people and so many different measurements of what constitutes success, there probably isn't a given rule.

For sports people or musicians or singers, I think talent and work ethic are obviously hugely influential but so too is opportunity. There's probably plenty kids who could have developed their skills much further if they had been in a different school or location where they would have had the opportunity to develop their talent.

In terms of those that succeed in 'professional' careers such as medical, legal, finance etc I think having parents who were already in such fields would have helped not necessarily because of money but because of being able to point out the path to succeed in those areas. Having parents experienced in this would have helped in recognizing that hard work for such college courses started when the education started, and not just 6 months before the leaving cert. Also, is it an inherent goal for a lot of people to achieve at least the same education/career as your parent did and so if the parents were successful, then, would it have helped the child set similar goals?

Mad_maxx

mariaalice wrote: »

As i pointed out in another thread Jacinda Arden Prime Minister of New Zealand worked in a chip shop from the age of 14.

did she serve a lot of " fush and chups " ?

Rodney Bathgate

What about yer man who sold penny apples?

Rodney Bathgate

Mad_maxx wrote: »

did she serve a lot of " fush and chups " ?

Are ‘battered sausages’ a thing in New Zealand?

Esse85

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

What about yer man who sold penny apples?

Bill Cullen?

pgj2015

Esse85 wrote: »

Bill Cullen?

A great guy, very inspirational.

dotsman

Op, I would say it is combination of all 5 things you listed, with the first 3 being the most important (p.s. your numbering is a little off;))

Some people here seem to be living in a bubble if they think that just because parents may be wealthy, that the kids don't get a part-time job and, thus, spend more time time studying. What complete nonsense.

As someone who supposedly grew up in a well-off family, in a so-called snobby suburb and went to a fee-paying school, not only did I continuously have a part-time job from the weekend I turned 16 up to the week before I started my post-grad career, but most of my friends were the same, and I would say there is a very strong correlation between those who worked the most throughout secondary school/college and those who are now the most successful of my friends.

Likewise, I do not know of a single one of my friends' parents who would not have "strongly encouraged" their children to "get a job" from the age of 16.

Drumpot

If I’m on my deathbed and have no regrets and can look back fondly at where I spent my most valuable commodity (time) I will consider my life a success.

I think what people imagine success is changes over the course of their lives. I think a person content with what they have and who is in their life is a successful person.

screamer

not in this case obviously this lady worked hard and got where she is through ability. but generally in Ireland connections are a wonderful catalyst for successful people, it’s not what you know, but who.
Elite schools bring an elite circle of acquaintances and that is why private schools are so favoured by the wealthy, to keep them moving in those elite circles that might give them a leg up in future.

Darc19

2lazytogetup wrote: »

She came from an exclusive private school and born into wealth.
?

I'd hardly call Mt Anville "an exclusive private school"

Middle class fee paying school and accessible to a wide range of students. Lower fees than many of its peers too.

Ipso

Mad_maxx wrote: »

did she serve a lot of " fush and chups " ?

Or iggs.

Car99

dotsman wrote: »

As someone who supposedly grew up in a well-off family /quote]







Are you saying you didnt grow up in a well off family or you did?

dotsman

Car99 wrote: »

dotsman wrote: »

As someone who supposedly grew up in a well-off family /quote]







Are you saying you didnt grow up in a well off family or you did?

I would consider it comfortable. But certain people, based on the house & suburb I grew up in and the fact that I went to a fee-paying school, would have considered my family as rich/snobs/well-off etc.

Timberrrrrrrr

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Ambition and determination.

This! Work hard get results

Motivator

I know one guy who was born into a hugely wealthy family. A family who have been doctors, solicitors and dentists. The guy I know just expected everything to be handed to him and He just didn’t bother working for it. He lives off the family name and is just arsing around waiting for an inheritance. He has/had the brains to do anything he wanted but didn’t have any drive due to the sense of entitlement.

Contrast this with another guy I went to college with. He had absolutely nothing growing up, he was working at 13 or 14 to help his family put food on the table as neither parent worked. In college then he worked two jobs and relied on grants/scholarships to get fully educated. He worked his balls off 7 days a week between college and two jobs. It took him a few years to get a break but he got one and he’s now managing an Arabian Royal Family’s wealth fund and is a multi millionaire.

Both fellas had the brains but one has drive and the other doesn’t. It’s all about drive and it’s all about wanting something. The guy who worked for his opportunity just put his head down and kept going. Years of dealing with bull**** in his home and having no time or money during college to enjoy himself. He’s an absolute success story and is probably the most successful person I’ve ever seen or ever will see. He started with literally nothing, worked as hard as he could and made the opportunities for himself and made them happen.

mikecope

From what I can see, most highly successful people achieve success at a young age. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are classic examples. In terms of class and wealth they both both came from opposite sides of the tracks but they both made it big and there are thousands like them. It doesn't matter what your background is, you can still succeed if you believe in yourself, are determined and prepared to put in the hard work but the earlier you start the better.

PTH2009

Its not what you know its who you know

Pinch Flat

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Are ‘battered sausages’ a thing in New Zealand?

They are actually. They call them hot dogs. We stopped onto a little place called haast on the south island on our trip there 18 months ago. Was expecting as nice hot dog in a bun but got what looked like we would call a battered sausage on a stick. Interesting. https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-h3g-ie&source=android-browser&q=new+zealand+hot+dog#imgrc=oHM7KGl3T7S8mM

B.A._Baracus

Too much talk about "hard work" - that's all bollocks. Many people in any sort of power have an allergic reaction to doing any sort of hard work.

Sure, some people have to crawl, fight tooth and nail to get ahead. Not everyone. Who you know can counter this and the whole "who you know" can take on many various factors (being pulled in to a job, being told about a certain industry etc)

Luck, right timing and determination to stick with something. That's pretty much it. As the average person can't rely on having someone to pull you in.

LawBoy2018

Anyone can succeed if they put in the effort, however, it takes a certain type of person with a particular set of attributes to make it to the top imo. The people who make it to the top possess:

1) Ambition
2) Grit
3) A Charming Personality
4) Confidence
5) Connections

I'd add familial expectations.

A bit like the child of the person queuing for Penny's overnight. Chances are they won't be the first woman on the moon. There will be exceptions.

Agree though that a certain person if too comfortable may not succeed. Think of the Sweet 16 TV series type of kid.

There are some people that get a good education, but are not worldly wise. They'll do okay, but won't pull up any trees.

A good sense of curiosity and determination will help in scientific areas.

Airyfairy12

Money to be able to pursue a career and be able to make mistakes, having the money to be able to gain enough qualifications at a young enough age which most working class people cant afford. Most people who dont have family support, if they want to do a masters or further their education beyond BA level they have to work and save for years or take out loans to pay for fees. People from wealthy homes can go straight into a masters and PHD straight out of their undergrad. You have a better chance reaching success if youre fully qualified and gaining work experience at 25 rather than 35 and beyond.

Connections as Ireland is run on nepotism.

Luck - There are allot of people with the work ethic and determination but they never get a decent opportunity.

Airyfairy12

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Luck - There are allot of people with the work ethic and determination but they never get a decent opportunity.

I would imagine someone with work ethic and determination not succeeding would be very rare.

Airyfairy12

Deleted User wrote: »

I would imagine someone with work ethic and determination not succeeding would be very rare.

Its not rare at all.

Airyfairy12

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Its not rare at all.

Can you give an example of a particular career where it applies?