Dublin clamping is back

Irishphotodesk

Marcusm wrote: »

If your motor tax is out by more than 2 months they are empowered to immobilise it and tow it. Is there a valid reason why they should not check?

Tax was up to date, ticket was on the dash, yet my vehicle was the only one that the clamper physically walked out from the footpath to the other side of the vehicle to check the disks, I just happen to be on the street and observed the clamper as he walked up the street.

In hindsight I should have asked him why he took a special interest in my car ( it’s a Toyota Corolla...hardly worth a couple of hundred at this stage and at the time of this event, probably worth about €2k )

AndrewJRenko

Del2005 wrote: »

They are doing the best to keep cars out of our cities not trying to encourage them back in. Have you missed all the car parking spaces that have been removed and the cycle lane down the quays of Dublin, they definitely aren't designed to encourage cars.

double jobbing wrote: »

Encourage shoppers back into town?

Dissuade people from packing on to public transport?

I'm embarrassed to even have to spell it out.

Why would people be encouraged to spend their time and money in a glorified car park, stinking of toxic fumes, with entitled drivers blocking footpaths preventing social distancing?

zg3409 wrote: »

They were clamping nurses working late during covit.

Or to be more clear, they were clamping nurses who had parked illegally during Covid.

double jobbing wrote: »

And I'm sure they get a bollicking if they don't hit x clamps per week either. If anything in the current climate clamping/ charges for street parking should be suspended bar where it's causing an obstruction.

How sure are you? Have you looked at the tender document from DCC or any of their operating procedures?

Marcusm

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

Tax was up to date, ticket was on the dash, yet my vehicle was the only one that the clamper physically walked out from the footpath to the other side of the vehicle to check the disks, I just happen to be on the street and observed the clamper as he walked up the street.

In hindsight I should have asked him why he took a special interest in my car ( it’s a Toyota Corolla...hardly worth a couple of hundred at this stage and at the time of this event, probably worth about €2k )

It might soundstupid but maybe he was wondering what the tax rate was on the car. I’ve done that from time to time.

double jobbing

markpb wrote: »

Let’s take your embarrassment up a notch, shall we?

Car is parked on a footpath - people can’t socially distance when walking past. Oh oh, that sounds like a bad thing.

Car is parked on a cycle lane - cycling becomes less attractive and those people either stop coming into town or change to busy public transport (bad in the current climate) or busy roads (bad always). None of those are good outcomes right now.

Car is parked dangerously at a junction - a pedestrian is hit by another driver who couldn’t see them. They are brought to ICU taking up a bed that might be needed by a Covid-19 patient. I think we can all agree that now isn’t the time to be putting pressure on hospitals?

Car is parked legally but the driver overstays their parking ticket - other people find it hard to get parking in the city centre and decide to go to Dundrum next time.

So which offences do you think should be ignored/encouraged by the council to entice people to shop in the city centre?

I was thinking more of suspending on street parking charges and letting people park for free to encourage people to come in and to avoid crowding public transport.

Your social distancing comment is especially hilarious. What percentage of the Irish population do you think are remotely bothered with social dstancing? I'd say 25% would be generous.

markpb

double jobbing wrote: »

I was thinking more of suspending on street parking charges and letting people park for free to encourage people to come in and to avoid crowding public transport.

Your social distancing comment is especially hilarious. What percentage of the Irish population do you think are remotely bothered with social dstancing? I'd say 25% would be generous.

Did you just argue with yourself in one post?

turbocab

Del2005 wrote: »

They are doing the best to keep cars out of our cities not trying to encourage them back in. Have you missed all the car parking spaces that have been removed and the cycle lane down the quays of Dublin, they definitely aren't designed to encourage cars.

they can all they like,shoppers are going online folks,i wouldnt dream of going into city centre

Truthvader

turbocab wrote: »

they can all they like,shoppers are going online folks,i wouldnt dream of going into city centre

Yep good old Owen Keegan. Only one agenda. He will destroy Dublin like he did Dun Laoghaire. Slowly turning into Junkieland.

First service introduced after lockdown? Clamping. And still the overflowing rubbish bins and dog**** carpet abide

Well done Owen, Keep the bicycle loons happy.

AndrewJRenko

Truthvader wrote: »

Yep good old Owen Keegan. Only one agenda. He will destroy Dublin like he did Dun Laoghaire. Slowly turning into Junkieland.

First service introduced after lockdown? Clamping. And still the overflowing rubbish bins and dog**** carpet abide

Well done Owen, Keep the bicycle loons happy.

Bin service never stopped Vader, it kept going all the way through, and that's the truth.

Why don't you ask the retailers in Suffolk St about the 15% increase in sales they got after the Council listened to the bicycle loons and pedestrianised it?

Truthvader

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Bin service never stopped Vader, it kept going all the way through, and that's the truth.

Why don't you ask the retailers in Suffolk St about the 15% increase in sales they got after the Council listened to the bicycle loons and pedestrianised it?

Why dont you ask the business owners in Dun Laoghaire.....oh you cant Keegan wiped them out.

AndrewJRenko

Truthvader wrote: »

Why dont you ask the business owners in Dun Laoghaire.....oh you cant Keegan wiped them out.

Nothing to do with rather large Dundrum Town Centre that was built about 15 minutes away, and the Carrickmines retail park in between?

Truthvader

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Nothing to do with rather large Dundrum Town Centre that was built about 15 minutes away, and the Carrickmines retail park in between?

Yep. Places where you can park without harrassment.

Dufflecoat Fanny

theres a banger in the clonshaugh circle k for the last god knows how long

CBear1993

I thought this thread said “Dublin clapping is back” and I almost did the “for fcuuuuuuksake hands on head.

Thursday night nonsense out the front door. What a relief

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS!

I've never understood the logic of public clamping.

If a vehicle is blocking a junction or disabled space, towing it is more effective than clamping it in place, prolonging the delay.

If a vehicle has an expired parking disc or none at all, a fine is sufficient. Council fines are enforcible by the courts so it's not like you can avoid it. And the type of person who'd ignore the fine would probably cut the clamp anyway.

The only people who are negatively impacted are people who are clamped when the clamper misreads their reg when they pay by text or other clamper error. The motorist still have to pay and appeal and could miss an appointment or flight as a result.

It's only really beneficial to stop people abusing apartment parking or other private car parks.

markpb

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

I've never understood the logic of public clamping.

If a vehicle is blocking a junction or disabled space, towing it is more effective than clamping it in place, prolonging the delay.

If a vehicle has an expired parking disc or none at all, a fine is sufficient. Council fines are enforcible by the courts so it's not like you can avoid it. And the type of person who'd ignore the fine would probably cut the clamp anyway.

DCC used parking fine years ago. They were almost totally useless for enforcement so people widely ignored parking regulations. The fine didn’t have an immediate impact on the motorist and the cost of chasing the fine was paid by DCC so they had the double whammy of being expensive and useless.

Clamping came in and the problem more or less went away, at least for paid parking violations which is where DSPS were told to spend most of their time. The offending motorist suffers the immediate impact of losing the use of their car and the financial impact of having to pay for the declamp. And the bright yellow boot has the added advantage of being a very visible warning to other motorists to park legally.

If you look around the city centre, you’ll rarely see people being clamped for parking near junction or in clearways. That’s because DSPS regularly tow those cars away, either to a safer location where they’re clamped or to the pound.

The only people who are negatively impacted are people who are clamped when the clamper misreads their reg when they pay by text or other clamper error. The motorist still have to pay and appeal and could miss an appointment or flight as a result.

If you buy a parking ticket from a machine, there’s no need to enter your reg. If you buy a ticket from the ParkingTag website, it shows you the make, model and colour of your car so there’s no excuse for making that mistake. Of course, there are other ways for mistakes to happen but I suspect the number of people indirectly clamped makes up a very tiny percentage of cars parked in the city each year.

AndrewJRenko

Truthvader wrote: »

Yep. Places where you can park without harrassment.

What harassment applies in Dundrum and Carrickmines? Have you seen the parking fees in Dundrum?

Truthvader

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What harassment applies in Dundrum and Carrickmines? Have you seen the parking fees in Dundrum?

Ehhh.....that is precisely the point; there is no harassment. Parking is free in Carrickmines. Only been to Dundrum once and cant remember the charge. The point is that whatever the charge Keegan drove the customer base out of Dul Laoghaire by creating such a toxic anti car campaign that they would pay anything to go anywhere rather than deal with Keegans Dun Laoghaire. The result is that it is now a wasteland. He will do the same to Dublin.

markpb

Truthvader wrote: »

The point is that whatever the charge Keegan drove the customer base out of Dul Laoghaire by creating such a toxic anti car campaign that they would pay anything to go anywhere rather than deal with Keegans Dun Laoghaire. The result is that it is now a wasteland. He will do the same to Dublin.

He had seven years to do it. What’s keeping him? Whatever his plan in that time, the city centre was thriving until February so either his plan isn’t working or the conspiracy theorists are wrong.

Seth Brundle

You get tired reading that old spiel about Keegan & Dun Laoghaire.
The place was a kip before he made his changes. At its best, the shopping centre was crap. The shops on the main street weren't great either. Once the nearby centres such as Dundrum came along, DL was finished.
The local people who used to shop there went elsewhere mainly because of better choices elsewhere.
Keegan's changes didn't kill DL. It managed to do that just fine itself.
It's the same scenario right across the country. People complain that rural towns and villages are becoming desolate places yet are happy to hop in the car and drive to a retail park miles away!
But, hey, let's not allow facts get in the way of an ill-informed rant. :rolleyes:

AndrewJRenko

Truthvader wrote: »

Ehhh.....that is precisely the point; there is no harassment. Parking is free in Carrickmines. Only been to Dundrum once and cant remember the charge. The point is that whatever the charge Keegan drove the customer base out of Dul Laoghaire by creating such a toxic anti car campaign that they would pay anything to go anywhere rather than deal with Keegans Dun Laoghaire. The result is that it is now a wasteland. He will do the same to Dublin.

Bit of a contradiction there - if Dundrum is such a magnet, how come you've only been there yourself once in the 15 years since it opened?

The parking fee is €3 for the first three hours, and €3 per hour after that.

Do you really think that Carrickmines is interchangeable with Dun Laoghaire? Seems like fairly different kinds of stores to me, though I'd agree with you that it was a mistake to allow free parking at Carrickmines or other retail parks. It's really awful that the costs of providing and managing parking are paid by all customers, including those that don't drive.

Truthvader

See all the usual anti car mob are showing up with, as usual, no other agenda other than to frustrate and annoy drivers. As to Dun Laoghaire ask anyone who "had" a business there who they blame. See the same anti car spite now generating an argument to make charging for parking compulsory in Carrickmines, the most civilised place to shop these days. Is it to leave space for the huge crowds walking by?

Civilised advanced societies use cars because they are clean, dry, quick, fir your family, with room in the boot for what you buy - and comfortable. In cities not run by misguided loons there is also an Underground as the road space gets used up. Only in underdeveloped third world failed states are people reduced to cycling. But don't let the truth get in the way of your prissy D4 ecofantasy or your nannying spite for people who don't share it

Seth Brundle

Truthvader wrote: »

See all the usual anti car mob are showing up with, as usual, no other agenda other than to frustrate and annoy drivers. As to Dun Laoghaire ask anyone who "had" a business there who they blame. See the same anti car spite now generating an argument to make charging for parking compulsory in Carrickmines, the most civilised place to shop these days. Is it to leave space for the huge crowds walking by?

Civilised advanced societies use cars because they are clean, dry, quick, fir your family, with room in the boot for what you buy - and comfortable. In cities not run by misguided loons there is also an Underground as the road space gets used up. Only in underdeveloped third world failed states are people reduced to cycling. But don't let the truth get in the way of your prissy D4 ecofantasy or your nannying spite for people who don't share it

So your comments about DL get smashed and the only way that you can respond is through insults? :rolleyes:
Do you have nothing of substance to put forwards to the discussion?

Truthvader

Seth Brundle wrote: »

So your comments about DL get smashed and the only way that you can respond is through insults? :rolleyes:
Do you have nothing of substance to put forwards to the discussion?

Again. Ask anyone who had a business in Dun Laoghaire who they blame.

It was already spelt out by an earlier poster who referenced Dundrum and Carrickmines. No normal person was going to voluntarily expose themselves to Keegan's campaign when they could shop in comfort without aggro elsewhere. In any event Keegan and the likes of yourself won and you have cleared the place of cars but curiously the bicycle lobby don't seem to generate the same level (or any) business

AndrewJRenko

Truthvader wrote: »

Again. Ask anyone who had a business in Dun Laoghaire who they blame.

It was already spelt out by an earlier poster who referenced Dundrum and Carrickmines. No normal person was going to voluntarily expose themselves to Keegan's campaign when they could shop in comfort without aggro elsewhere. In any event Keegan and the likes of yourself won and you have cleared the place of cars but curiously the bicycle lobby don't seem to generate the same level (or any) business

So Dundrum, with paid parking from day 1, destroyed Dun Laoghaire because of parking charges? You don't think it was anything to do with the greater choice of shops, the clean public toilets, the strong security, the variety of food and drink offerings by any chance?

Whatever you do, don't do any reading on the outcome of the pedestrianisation of Suffolk Street when the anti-car bigots caused a 15% increase in retail income.

Truthvader

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So Dundrum, with paid parking from day 1, destroyed Dun Laoghaire because of parking charges? You don't think it was anything to do with the greater choice of shops, the clean public toilets, the strong security, the variety of food and drink offerings by any chance?

Whatever you do, don't do any reading on the outcome of the pedestrianisation of Suffolk Street when the anti-car bigots caused a 15% increase in retail income.

Cant find anything on suffolk street. In any event closing one street is not the measure. Wait until Keegan (with Greens behind him now) shuts out cars from the entire city centre - and see how that works out for you. Anyway the bicycle anti car fanatics have won. Lets see how it plays out.

Seth Brundle

Truthvader wrote: »

Cant find anything on suffolk street. In any event closing one street is not the measure. Wait until Keegan (with Greens behind him now) shuts out cars from the entire city centre - and see how that works out for you. Anyway the bicycle anti car fanatics have won. Lets see how it plays out.

There's no evidence that Keegankr the council wish to shut cars out from the city centre (bar a few streets).
All they are trying to do is create a situation where all people can access the city. Some will walk, some on bikes, some on PT and others in their cars. However, the days of cars being given the most space to access the city despite falling numbers are over. They're inefficient in a city. They choke up the city's air and streets.
Most people driving into the city choose to do so. That choice is fine but not at the expense of others.
Some will continue with the same old tired and juvenile complaints (simlar to many of your posts in fact) but the majority of people will see the measures for what they are and will in fact benefit from them!

AndrewJRenko

Truthvader wrote: »

Cant find anything on suffolk street. In any event closing one street is not the measure. Wait until Keegan (with Greens behind him now) shuts out cars from the entire city centre - and see how that works out for you. Anyway the bicycle anti car fanatics have won. Lets see how it plays out.

Suffolk St details here;

https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/business-group-wants-more-cycle-lanes-and-wider-paths-instead-of-dublin-city-car-ban-998438.html

Honestly, it's time to stop playing the victim and blaming others. If businesses failed, it is because they didn't provide value to their customers.

Truthvader

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Suffolk St details here;

https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/business-group-wants-more-cycle-lanes-and-wider-paths-instead-of-dublin-city-car-ban-998438.html

Honestly, it's time to stop playing the victim and blaming others. If businesses failed, it is because they didn't provide value to their customers.

As before lets see how it goes