David Dorn - 77 years old shot by looters - no protests for you

RIGOLO

In more current affairs...
seeing as how we are having threads for victims of heinous crimes in America , lets have one for David Dorn.

Shot dead trying to protect a business from looters and peacful protestors who were honouring George FLoyds memory by destroying everything they could lay their hands on.

He was a retired St. Louis police captain who became a small-town police chief and was found fatally shot early Tuesday outside a pawn shop that was looted after protests over the death of George Floyd turned violent.
He was shot in the stomach and left to bleed out on the sidewalk at 2AM .

It was just one of 50 plus businesses damagaed in that small area, by the peacful protestors out expressing anger at their communities being left behind by destroying the livelihoods and stores in said community.

He deserves to not be forgotten just as poor old George Floyd .Especially after giving 38 years working as a police officer in that neighbourhood.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/small-town-police-chief-killed-officers-cities-wounded/story?id=71017820

Lets bare a few moments to think of the widow he leaves behind. May she find solace and comfort.

There wont be any editorials, or much column inches given over to David Dorn in the main stream media or up-coming weekend newspapapers.. I guess they didnt teach critical thinking in journalism college these days. They dont have the language to even discuss it other than to give a footnote and small bio and move on to the more exciting race-baiting micro-macro aggression that runs off the global newswire they all suck the teat of.

Theres no spin to put on his death that will help the media with their virtue signaling rating battle. So rather than discuss it and potentially say the wrong thing, its far safer to not really discuss it all.

So no worldwide vigil for you David Dorn, no global sigh for the loss of your life, no protests, no rememberance, no headlines, no rioting.
You didn’t fit the narrative for main stream media race baiting and politicising white on black crime to attack the incumbent President of the USA.
So what time is the protest in Galway City this weekend to honour him ?

The liberal left wont be up in a huff over your passing. The indoctrination they subject themselves to daily, some of it knowingly some unknowingly, does'nt give them a lexicon to verbalise on your sad end. There are no social justice buzzwords they can throw out ad-nauseum with your shuffle off this mortal coil. Even their verbal gymnastics would struggle to get the N word (1936 Germany N word) into the conversation on your exit. So they will scuttle off to regroup and find another bandwagon to jump on. A bandwagon and a megaphone , twitter handle , press release where they will compete with each other to see who can be the most outraged and woke.

So RIP David Dorn.
I suppose we should give credit where credit is due, at least the peacful protestors didnt rob a cheesecake to honour your memory.

vicwatson

It’s footpath not sidewalk

Jim Bob Scratcher

vicwatson wrote: »

It’s footpath not sidewalk

ffs

suicide_circus

We're only interested in deaths that can be used politically against Donald Trump.

The death of Mr Dorn, while unfortunate, is simply collateral damage of the righteous actions of protesters.

fits

His attackers were not being paid by the taxpayer.

Brianmwalker

fits wrote: »

His attackers were not being paid by the taxpayer.

You'll find most of them were. Where do you think the 1,200 stimulus check came from?

Dakota Dan

vicwatson wrote: »

It’s footpath not sidewalk

It is in America so technically it’s a sidewalk.

splinter65

Dakota Dan wrote: »

It is in America so technically it’s a sidewalk.

But we’re not in America so either it’s the pavement or the footpath. Too many posters on this thread already imagine they are living in a “walk up on the upper east side” when what they live in, and all they’ll ever live in, is a semi in an estate on the outskirts of Athlone .

suicide_circus

suicide_circus wrote: »

We're only interested in deaths that can be used politically against Donald Trump.

The death of Mr Dorn, while unfortunate, is simply collateral damage of the righteous actions of protesters.

Also , no " bad white person " kneeled on him , so he doesn't count , he's only a stat to be forgotten .

His death , is therefore of no use to " certain individuals / groups .

Lewis Hamilton and co will not care .

paw patrol

fits wrote: »

His attackers were not being paid by the taxpayer.

well these lads were - in 2020 too so not a historic case. Duncan Lamp (21) shot in bed by the cops from outside the house. Software Developer - No criminal record.
He was shot over a rumour on the internet . no riots ,protests or 24h coverage for him.
Why? We all know why....it doesn't sell but a black man...well the media (and politicians) they can sell that...and they don't care about the cost . Once they get what they want.

All cases like this and (George Floyd) are both a tragedy and a disgrace . But the current situation is the media (and others) playing the people like a fiddle

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/14/duncan-socrates-lemp-maryland-shot-police-officer

ShareShare

Awh very sad. Whilst i agree with the protests and narrative. The spill over violence is disgusting and abusive.
OP, you seem to really have a thing against the narrative and protestors, instead of having a problem with the violent looters and abuse.

Why do you merge the two things into one and hate them both? Why dont you hate the violence and looting etc, whilst simultaneously supporting the protesting of state enforced racism?

namloc1980

Uses death of a person to score points and indulge in political posturing in order to point out how bad the "liberals" are for using the death of a person for politician posturing. Yup, that checks out.

RIGOLO

ShareShare wrote: »

Awh very sad. Whilst i agree with the protests and narrative. The spill over violence is disgusting and abusive.
OP, you seem to really have a thing against the narrative and protestors, instead of having a problem with the violent looters and abuse.

Why do you merge the two things into one and hate them both? Why dont you hate the violence and looting etc, whilst simultaneously supporting the protesting of state enforced racism?

Becauue give or take about 15 minutes after the protesting began it became meaningless once the first business window in their neighbourhood was smashed, just to show the world that they were law abiding folk being victimised by the state and that their nieghbourhood , which they were about to trash needed investment.

The press reaction to the incident became meaningless , give or take about 25 years ago.

Whenever whoever shot him is found they'll go to court and receive a lengthy prison term. The same doesn't happen when the police kill someone.

Zaph

As with the other thread started by the OP, he is deliberately avoiding the whole issue about George Floyd's death - that he was killed by people whose job is to protect people and uphold the law. Both victims in the threads he started were murdered by common thugs, a terrible fact that is repeated multiple times every day across the States. This doesn't make their deaths any less tragic, and if anything it highlights how sadly commonplace murder has become in the US that their deaths have probably gone largely unreported except by local press. But again, they weren't killed by the very same people whose job it is is to deal with these thugs and ensure more innocent people aren't killed by them. As an ordinary citizen George Floyd would never have expected to die at the hands of those who are paid to "Protect and Serve", and it's this simple fact that has shocked decent people everywhere so much. It's really not that difficult to understand, unless you wilfully choose not to.

RIGOLO

Zaph wrote: »

As with the other thread started by the OP, he is deliberately avoiding the whole issue about George Floyd's death - that he was killed by people whose job is to protect people and uphold the law. Both victims in the threads he started were murdered by common thugs, a terrible fact that is repeated multiple times every day across the States. This doesn't make their deaths any less tragic, and if anything it highlights how sadly commonplace murder has become in the US that their deaths have probably gone largely unreported except by local press. But again, they weren't killed by the very same people whose job it is is to deal with these thugs and ensure more innocent people aren't killed by them. As an ordinary citizen George Floyd would never have expected to die at the hands of those who are paid to "Protect and Serve", and it's this simple fact that has shocked decent people everywhere so much. It's really not that difficult to understand, unless you wilfully choose not to.

Metaphorically, I could throw a stick out the window and hit 1000 crimes ignored by the media because it didnt fit their narrative and they dont have a lexicon of virute signaling catchphrases to discuss them .
lets take one
Angel Moms ... google it ....
Let me know how many articles you find in the Irish press about them
then come back to me and we can have a debate about balance and analysis.

paw patrol

Zaph wrote: »

As with the other thread started by the OP, he is deliberately avoiding the whole issue about George Floyd's death - that he was killed by people whose job is to protect people and uphold the law. Both victims in the threads he started were murdered by common thugs, a terrible fact that is repeated multiple times every day across the States. This doesn't make their deaths any less tragic, and if anything it highlights how sadly commonplace murder has become in the US that their deaths have probably gone largely unreported except by local press. But again, they weren't killed by the very same people whose job it is is to deal with these thugs and ensure more innocent people aren't killed by them. As an ordinary citizen George Floyd would never have expected to die at the hands of those who are paid to "Protect and Serve", and it's this simple fact that has shocked decent people everywhere so much. It's really not that difficult to understand, unless you wilfully choose not to.

you ignored my post on the recent case of Duncan Lamp which pointed out the same does happen to all races.

Some US cops are thugs - I won't deny that. Their militarisation seems insane to and how the people cheer that is bizarre. I've seen some shows where a swat team raids the house of a 10stone decrepit dealer with no history of violence for a few bags of weed. And thats the stuff they publicise.:eek:

But I'm not convinced they hate anybody or any race specifically.

I think cases like George Floyd are used by media and politicians for their own ends.

Nermal

Zaph wrote: »

As an ordinary citizen George Floyd would never have expected to die at the hands of those who are paid to "Protect and Serve", and it's this simple fact that has shocked decent people everywhere so much.

'Ordinary citizen'.

https://twitter.com/whattingh/status/1267876694028947457

Absolutely puke-inducing to watch idiots all over the world kneeling for this waste of space.

splinter65

Nermal wrote: »

'Ordinary citizen'.

https://twitter.com/whattingh/status/1267876694028947457

Absolutely puke-inducing to watch idiots all over the world kneeling for this waste of space.

The complainant in this case is probably white. A popular chant this week has been “all whites must die” with lots of white people joining in.
Can you see how your point is completely invalid?

paw patrol

Nermal wrote: »

'Ordinary citizen'.

https://twitter.com/whattingh/status/1267876694028947457

Absolutely puke-inducing to watch idiots all over the world kneeling for this waste of space.

I think thats a bit much tbh. He may have had a record but he is entitled to be treated properly.

Mad_maxx

george floyd might have been a convicted criminal and up to no good but he didnt deserve that and the book should be thrown at the officer responsible who himself has a very dodgy record

however , the politicisiation of everything (including the profile of those who die ) by the left is toxic , if you dont make their sacred cow list , you dont count

that mass exhibition of intelectual armpit sniffing by those at the american embassy on monday was nauseating

Nozebleed

police in america are supposed to protect law abiding citizens from people like george floyd. this seems to be forgotten in the whole saga..its terrible that he died at the hands of the police. but was it intentional? was it racism? was it an execution? as is being touted by the media? i think not.

RWCNT

Mad_maxx wrote: »

however , the politicisiation of everything (including the profile of those who die ) by the left is toxic , if you dont make their sacred cow list , you dont count

He says, while politicizing this man's death. Toxic.

Igotadose

Thing is, we don't know who shot David Dorn, or the other people (civilians and law enforcement) who have been shot and killed during the riots.

Which would not have started, had George Floyd not been executed by the Minneapolis PD.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/02/george-floyd-protests-people-killed

Nermal

Mad_maxx wrote: »

george floyd might have been a convicted criminal and up to no good but he didnt deserve that and the book should be thrown at the officer responsible who himself has a very dodgy record

https://nypost.com/2020/05/28/cop-in-george-floyds-death-was-the-subject-of-10-complaints/

Read for yourself.

Don't skip over the commendations for valour.

How he responds to domestic violence complaints, as opposed to instigating them like this guy that morons around the world are worshiping.

Unsubstantiated complaints, no doubt logged by malcontents, are not comparable with a criminal record.

RIGOLO

Nermal wrote: »

'Ordinary citizen'.

https://twitter.com/whattingh/status/1267876694028947457

Absolutely puke-inducing to watch idiots all over the world kneeling for this waste of space.

Whilst George didnt deserve what he got, no man does and the cops should go down.
The irony of this story, if indeed it is true is that if GEorge FLoyd had pulled the trigger on this woman, killing her and her unborn baby, then the social justice warriors would just call it , how was it someone put it earlier, "just someone murederd by a common thug" ...no protests or memorial or news coverage for either of them, especailly the victim....

but now they want to beatify George Floyd at their altar of identity politics...

Which brings me back to my premise , yesterdays common thug is todays twitter class hero in their world where we all share the same bathrooms all becasue he serves their idealogical purpose and indcotrinated thinking.

Sam Quentin

I wont quote the op as it's extremely long and detailed(fair play)and great post.

But HERE HERE

Plumbthedepths

splinter65 wrote: »

But we’re not in America so either it’s the pavement or the footpath. Too many posters on this thread already imagine they are living in a “walk up on the upper east side” when what they live in, and all they’ll ever live in, is a semi in an estate on the outskirts of Athlone .

What have you against Athlone? My family hails from Athlone.
What stunning Metropolis are you from?

Mad_maxx

RWCNT wrote: »

He says, while politicizing this man's death. Toxic.

i condemned his death unequivocally

the thread is about how another persons death is ignored by the identity politics brigade

that is the politicisation of death

El_Duderino 09

suicide_circus wrote: »

The death of Mr Dorn, while unfortunate, is simply collateral damage of the righteous actions of protesters.

I mean, it is. It's a major movement bourn out of institutional injustice over a long period of time. There are peaceful protestors and some violent protestors and some who are just along for the excitement of the riot.

But the fact that the movement has become huge is generally a good thing. It's not a coincidence that the ones who are always on the side of opposing recognising racism, are also the ones who are more concerned about the George Floyd movement not being successful and are much more concerned with highlighting the negatives of the movement.

Fact is that the lid has been kept on the pressure cooker for decades (generations in fact) and the lid has blown off. The movement isn't about any individuals anymore. It's about the system as a whole. There will be lots of collateral damage.

RIP David Dorn and anyone else who is killed in this revolution. I also feel sorry for anyone who is hurt or has their livelihood ruined in the process of achieving necessary change. There has been plenty of time for them to change things voluntarily and they have chosen not to do so. This is an unfortunate consequence.

I hope David Dorn's killers are brought to justice

jam_mac_jam

This mans death is horrible. The poor man working at 77 to end up like that.

It should be publicized to try and stop the violence and the acceptance of violence that is happening.

Oppression doesn't justify destroying innocent people's property or beating people or killing inocent people just doing their jobs. Its disgusting and taking away from the protesters who are doing this peacefully.

How are the killers of this man any better then the policeman. Are you not protesting brutality and you brutalise other people from your own community.

Also it gives people the excuse to ignore the legitimate concerns of police brutality. Oh they are all just looters anyway, its just scumbags.

Can you be against both murders? Can you find both abhorrent?

Can I think the murder of both is wrong? Or only one or the other.

The whole thing stinks.

• The 4 cops should be on trial for murder or being an accessory.
• The media are having a field day using Floyd's death as a political football
• The children of white middle class and wealthy parents are saying "looting is justified" and in the US their counterparts are out robbing iPhones in a brave fight against capitalism
• The protesters are holding up signs "Black Lives Matter" while not social distancing and will be directly responsible for thousands of preventable deaths, many of them black.
• The media has failed to criticise the social distancing, while last week lecturing us all about the smallest infraction
• Law abiding moderates in the US are sitting scared in their homes worried for their and many will now be radicalised, one way or another. I can see this rescuing Trump's election prospects.

It's unfortunate, as there are systemic racist issues in the US, but this will achieve nothing and is an indictment of our rubbish media and unthinking tribalist politics.

Cuddlesworth

One of the guys I worked with in the US was shot and killed 2 years ago, after he stopped to change somebody else's tire. It made local news. It didn't make it past local news because over 100 people a day get shot and killed in the US. In some locations in the US, it wouldn't have even made the local news.

If you can't see the difference between gun deaths and police officers slowly torturing a man to death over the course of 10 minutes, then you should move over to the US and enjoy being the in presence of a police state with no accountability.

splinter65

splinter65 wrote: »

But we’re not in America so either it’s the pavement or the footpath. Too many posters on this thread already imagine they are living in a “walk up on the upper east side” when what they live in, and all they’ll ever live in, is a semi in an estate on the outskirts of Athlone .

It is a Gehweg where I am, you inconsiderate B*******. I'm highly offended that neither you nor the OP have shown me the consideration I deserve. I feel like lashing out.

El_Duderino 09

Deleted User wrote: »

The whole thing stinks.

• The children of white middle class and wealthy parents are saying "looting is justified" and in the US their counterparts are out robbing iPhones in a brave fight against capitalism
  ...

It's unfortunate, as there are systemic racist issues in the US, but this will achieve nothing and is an indictment of our rubbish media and unthinking tribalist politics.

Who has said looting is justified? You might find some clown on the internet who thinks looting is justified but it's not a sentiment I've come across. I've only come across the exact opposite sentiment and blanket condemnation of looting.

But on your last point you're dead wrong. I think people will know the name "George Floyd" for generations to come. I think this will be an important point in US history. I don't think all the issues will be solved any time soon, but the grace period for ignoring race issues and always backing the cops who kill black people, has expired.

NIMAN

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Who has said looting is justified? You might find some clown on the internet who thinks looting is justified but it's not a sentiment I've come across. I've only come across the exact opposite sentiment and blanket condemnation of looting.

But on your last point you're dead wrong. I think people will know the name "George Floyd" for generations to come. I think this will be an important point in US history. I don't think all the issues will be solved any time soon, but the grace period for ignoring race issues and always backing the cops who kill black people, has expired.

Can't see it to be honest, and its sad to say that.
I don't think much will change.

Cal Thomas commenting on The Last Word the other day said that something like $24 trillion has been spent in US history on trying to eradicate poverty and on community projects to improve the lives of those less well off, and we still are no further forward.

I can't see any improvement.

RIGOLO

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

One of the guys I worked with in the US was shot and killed 2 years ago, after he stopped to change somebody else's tire. It made local news. It didn't make it past local news because over 100 people a day get shot and killed in the US. In some locations in the US, it wouldn't have even made the local news.

If you can't see the difference between gun deaths and police officers slowly torturing a man to death over the course of 10 minutes, then you should move over to the US and enjoy being the in presence of a police state with no accountability.

spent many happy years living there ..
we all have those stories so what..

I knew of a teenage girl there who got murdered by someone who wasnt a legal resident, the crime involved a broom stick handle, broken, and I leave it to your imagination where it ended up. Will never forget the picture of her face
That made state news but no further, care to wonder why the main stream media didnt headline that story and you and your ilk didnt feel fit to go out and protest over it ...

The cats out of the bag, hopefully it never goes back in . The lid is finally off, the Covid-19 global pandemic and now the idiocy and double standards of these protests has blown the lid on many of the fallacis and wasted oxygen and print the left has been getting away with for years.

El_Duderino 09

NIMAN wrote: »

Can't see it to be honest, and its sad to say that.
I don't think much will change.

Cal Thomas commenting on The Last Word the other day said that something like $24 trillion has been spent in US history on trying to eradicate poverty and on community projects to improve the lives of those less well off, and we still are no further forward.

I can't see any improvement.

Joe Biden has pledged to reform the police (political promise notwithstanding) that's a pledge that wouldn't have washed in the past. There's appetite now for change. We'll see if it comes to fruition. I think it will.

jam_mac_jam

The US in comparison to Europe seems a hugely violent society. The murder rate in some of the cities like Baltimore or Chicago is huge. The availablity of guns, it shouldn't be a surprise that people are being murdered as part of this unrest. But its still sad and horrible.

Boggles

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

The US in comparison to Europe seems a hugely violent society. The murder rate in some of the cities like Baltimore or Chicago is huge. The availablity of guns, it shouldn't be a surprise that people are being murdered as part of this unrest. But its still sad and horrible.

But but but guns don't kill people.

Ahh forget it.

El_Duderino 09

RIGOLO wrote: »

...
That made state news but no further, care to wonder why the main stream media didnt headline that story and you and your ilk didnt feel fit to go out and protest over it ...

If that murderer had a union that protected them, institutionalised acceptance that they were probably right to kill the girl, a legal system that makes it difficult or even impossible to prosecute the guy and loads of politicians up to the president that would back that guy up, then we'd have a good analogy. But that situation doesn't exist so it's not a great analogy, is it?

The George Floyd death isn't different from lots of other killings. the only difference is the size of the public reaction has forced them to charge one police officer (but not the others directly involved). Protest works

Boggles

RIGOLO wrote: »

I knew of a teenage girl there who got murdered by someone who wasnt a legal resident, the crime involved a broom stick handle, broken, and I leave it to your imagination where it ended up. Will never forget the picture of her face

Why were you there when it happened?

A story like that would certainly be reported on, what year and what area in the States? will be easy enough find.

jam_mac_jam

Boggles wrote: »

But but but guns don't kill people.

Ahh forget it.

No they don't on their own. Other countries have a huge gun ownership and don't have the level of murder or violent crime that the US.

There is obviously more to It.

Boggles

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

No they don't on their own. Other countries have a huge gun ownership and don't have the level of murder or violent crime that the US.

There is obviously more to It.

I was been sarcastic, of course the availability of guns is directly linked to the homicide rate.

Keyzer

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

The US in comparison to Europe seems a hugely violent society. The murder rate in some of the cities like Baltimore or Chicago is huge. The availablity of guns, it shouldn't be a surprise that people are being murdered as part of this unrest. But its still sad and horrible.

It's mind boggling.

I remember talking to a bunch of guys in Denver a few years ago about guns. They didn't believe me that I didn't have a gun. They laughed when I told them I didn't even know where to buy a guy in Ireland.

One of the lads had a loaded pump action shotgun under his bed at all times and hand gun in his bedside locker.

There was an anonymous march in the city one evening, the police presence was incredible - it was like something out of a movie for me.

Trigger happy is an under statement.

jam_mac_jam

Boggles wrote: »

I was been sarcastic, of course the availability of guns is directly linked to the homicide rate.

Sorry. I didn't get you were being sarcastic. You never know around here.

Hector Savage

Shh don't be posting uncomfortable facts that the woke left on here won't like

NIMAN

Keyzer wrote: »

It's mind boggling.

I remember talking to a bunch of guys in Denver a few years ago about guns. They didn't believe me that I didn't have a gun. They laughed when I told them I didn't even know where to buy a guy in Ireland.

One of the lads had a loaded pump action shotgun under his bed at all times and hand gun in his bedside locker.

There was an anonymous march in the city one evening, the police presence was incredible - it was like something out of a movie for me.

Trigger happy is an under statement.

Never been to the US, but younger brother visited friends there maybe 10 or so years back.

They got into a crowd who would party at home and then head out to the pub, one American guy they met grabbed his gun as they were leaving the house one night, and when asked why he was bringing a gun to the pub, his response was "in case it kicks off".

Completely different mindset.

Edgware

Boggles wrote: »

I was been sarcastic, of course the availability of guns is directly linked to the homicide rate.

Statistics statistics.
The level of burglaries is lowest in the states with the highest number of gun ownership.

jam_mac_jam

I also didn't know the level of budget that is allocated to the police. It's over 50 per cent in some cities

Maybe they need to get more efficiency by focussing on violent crime instead of the unwinable drug war.

noodler

Nermal wrote: »

'Ordinary citizen'.

https://twitter.com/whattingh/status/1267876694028947457

Absolutely puke-inducing to watch idiots all over the world kneeling for this waste of space.

Is this definitely true?