When will we fly again? II

ShineOn7

Mods, you didn't explain why the last thread was closed. That's something I've never seen on the 15 years, on and off, I've been reading Boards

If you're going to close this one, give us a reason

My PMs to two of you asking why the first thread was closed went unanswered

ShineOn7

"July 1 will end all lockdowns in Thailand, including international travel"

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/july-1-will-end-all-lockdowns-in-thailand-including-international-travel

"The Thai government says it will lift all remaining business and activity lockdowns on July 1, according to the National Security Council chief.
“This includes interprovincial and international travel, as well as the end of emergency decree and curfew.”


The lift of all restrictions, imposed under the country’s emergency decree, would be a “complete reopening of the country”. Officials and the CCSA will spend June getting ready for this milestone in the country’s relatively successful Covid-19 strategy"

The Thaiger is usually a reliable source for all things Thailand

ShineOn7

Re: Thailand. I just read this on a Travel sub on Reddit

Actually they have not said what international travel means. They will surely not issue every type of visa right away. So likely just means Thais can get out and come back again. There will be 14 day self quarantine I’m sure.



It will be a long time until normal tourism comes back i.e normal 2-4 week holiday. Government have slated maybe Q3 things may improve to welcome tourists but likely to still restrict certain countries with higher virus cases.

This makes more sense then them just opening the country back up again after their very strict restrictions and then banning of tourists in March

Gael23

Hoping to reschedule my trip for June 2021, just pushing it out a year

ladyella

We're due to travel to vancouver for 3 weeks in August to see family. Im cautiously optimistic but unhappy that direct flights from Dublin have been cancelled and the new flight stops in Toronto, exactly what i DIDNT want with 3 smallies

ninebeanrows

I would suggest next week they will probably announce that they will shorten the 3 week gaps between progress to 2 weeks if numbers remain low.

Lobbying is beginning on making the quarantine more flexible. I would suggest by July 1st the mandatory quarantine will not be in place for EU nations with further loosening later in the summer.

TomSweeney

I had a trip booked to Norway for July, I cancelled it obviously, but just see the Norwegian govt has extended the ban till August 20 .... they really aren't taking any chances, now Im wondering should I delay it again till July 2022 ... we were thinking of going in July 2021...

ShineOn7

TomSweeney wrote: »

I had a trip booked to Norway for July, I cancelled it obviously, but just see the Norwegian govt has extended the ban till August 20 .... they really aren't taking any chances, now Im wondering should I delay it again till July 2022 ... we were thinking of going in July 2021...

If the world hasn't somewhat righted itself enough to allow relatively hassle free EU travel by July of next year then we're in serious trouble

I think (hope) you should be fine for next year

Caranica

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

I would suggest next week they will probably announce that they will shorten the 3 week gaps between progress to 2 weeks if numbers remain low.

Lobbying is beginning on making the quarantine more flexible. I would suggest by July 1st the mandatory quarantine will not be in place for EU nations with further loosening later in the summer.

Not going to happen with an incubation period for the virus of 14 days...the third week allows them to assess one week of the impact of easing restrictions.

My OH is very interested in the news that Thailand may be opening up. I love Thailand but am not sure I'd be comfortable travelling over there in August. Safe countries in Europe yes but think Asia is too far this year.

Spanish Eyes

My concern is Health/Travel insurance these days and going forward. You never know what might happen anywhere when least expected.

Even in EU, if heaven forbid you need to be repatriated or something, the EHIC will not help you there.

ozzy jr

Was planning on going back to Thailand this September. Will hold off till end of November if it's looking a bit safer. Won't take any chances though.

Clonmel1000

Going to Spain July 31st for the long weekend and Greece in September.

Coillte_Bhoy

ShineOn7 wrote: »

If the world hasn't somewhat righted itself enough to allow relatively hassle free EU travel by July of next year then we're in serious trouble

I think (hope) you should be fine for next year

Norway isnt in the EU

ShineOn7

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Norway isnt in the EU

Oh?

Sweden and Finland are there so I just always presumed Norway were too

ShineOn7

Any word of if EHIC will cover Covid? Or if they're starting talks about it

ninebeanrows

Why would the health card not cover Covid?
They'll obviously cover it like all emergency medical situations.

Gael23

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Any word of if EHIC will cover Covid? Or if they're starting talks about it

I can’t see why it wouldn’t.
Private travel insurance may not though

Muscles Schultz

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/05/30/passengers-rushed-into-quarantine-as-man-tests-positve-for-covid-19-en-route-from-madrid-to-lanzarote/amp/


Seems troubling.

titan18

Gael23 wrote: »

I can’t see why it wouldn’t.
Private travel insurance may not though

I'd say there's a very slim chance any travel insurance will cover it going forward. It'll probably be built into the conditions of cover that any disruption caused by coronavirus isn't covered. Can't see how EHIC wouldn't as all it entitles you to is same healthcare as other countries citizens.

ShineOn7

Muscles Schultz wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/05/30/passengers-rushed-into-quarantine-as-man-tests-positve-for-covid-19-en-route-from-madrid-to-lanzarote/amp/


Seems troubling.

A flight from Madrid to Lanzarote with 140 people onboard has been quarantined after a passenger tested positive for the coronavirus while still in the air


Shocked passengers were hurried off the plane and forced into quarantine after landing at Cesar Manrique airport on the Canary Islands yesterday, many were visibly shaken.


It is understood that Spanish authorities immediately launched an urgent enquiry to determine why the 53-year-old man was allowed to fly as current restrictions in Spain only allow people to fly for essential travel reasons, such as work or a personal emergency.


The passenger had reportedly taken a coronavirus test prior to travelling as he had been in contact with someone who had passed away from the virus and also attended their funeral. But according to reports, he had not received his results prior to boarding the flight – and only discovered the positive result while in the air.


It has since been revealed that the man himself informed the cabin crew of his diagnosis after being contacted by his sister.
Police and health authorities on the island scrambled to the airport after being contacted by Castilla y León public health department, a town that neighbours Madrid.


The man now faces prosecution and a considerable fine for skipping quarantine as well as a possible crime against public health. Passengers sitting closest to the man will now have to spend two weeks in quarantine, while the remaining travellers face a week in confinement before being tested.
The incident has apparently sent shock waves through the airline and travel and tourism industry who were hoping an end to quarantine periods altogether, this latest setback is the last thing I’m sure they wanted to hear.

Update:

The Minister of Health for the Canary Islands, Julio Pérez, confirmed that the man had been advised not to fly before receiving his test results, and also that another passenger with symptoms was detected on the same flight, who has been taken straight to the hospital for coronavirus tests.


The 13 people who have been subjected to isolation upon arrival in Lanzarote, are the passengers who occupied the two rows around him, and another passenger who he had been talking to, for about 15 minutes at the airport.

What a mess

This is why I'm waiting till at least mid September. There'll be possibly a few incidents like this, or it's possible things will be better by then

killbillvol2

ShineOn7 wrote: »

What a mess

This is why I'm waiting till at least mid September. There'll be possibly a few incidents like this, or it's possible things will be better by then

Likewise. The virus isn't the main issue. It's the idiots travelling.

killbillvol2

titan18 wrote: »

I'd say there's a very slim chance any travel insurance will cover it going forward. It'll probably be built into the conditions of cover that any disruption caused by coronavirus isn't covered. Can't see how EHIC wouldn't as all it entitles you to is same healthcare as other countries citizens.

I got my renewal notice for travel insurance last week. They made it very clear that nothing Covid-19 related is covered from now on.

tonysopprano

Not just travel insurance.

FBD and most insurance companies in Ireland have notified government "that insurance companies do not have to cover unforeseen events like COVID19" so why have insurance in the first place.

Historically, insurance companies will and have used every excuse in the book to not payout.

alchemist33

killbillvol2 wrote: »

I got my renewal notice for travel insurance last week. They made it very clear that nothing Covid-19 related is covered from now on.

Not even treatment?

votecounts

Muscles Schultz wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/05/30/passengers-rushed-into-quarantine-as-man-tests-positve-for-covid-19-en-route-from-madrid-to-lanzarote/amp/


Seems troubling.

my nomination for idiot of the year award

killbillvol2

alchemist33 wrote: »

Not even treatment?

Here's the section from the email. I haven't gone into the details as I won't need travel insurance for a while yet :

New exclusion: · The policy does not cover any claims caused by or relating to coronavirus disease (COVID-19); severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-COV-2) or any mutation or variation of these. Nor will your policy cover any claims relating to any fear or threat concerning these viruses.

Monokne

Due to go to Turkey in mid August...looking very much in the balance as to whether or not that will happen now. Is there anything in the governments phases that indicates when they will allow international travel again?

Clonmel1000

Monokne wrote: »

Due to go to Turkey in mid August...looking very much in the balance as to whether or not that will happen now. Is there anything in the governments phases that indicates when they will allow international travel again?

Why is it in the balance? That quarantine nonsense will be well gone by then as will the 20km rule and as long as turkey isn’t restricting travel on people from Ireland you’ll be fine.

Spanish Eyes

EU countries only with EHIC is looking the best bet by far. But not for me in the Summer during the school holidays... don't have to tie myself to the mid term breaks and so on anymore. Mid October is something I might consider.

But will let the guinea pigs go first and see how the social distancing and so on work in airports. Can't see it being a pleasant or quick experience, as if it ever was in the first place. Sorry if I sound smug about the freedom to choose when to travel, but it took a long time to get to this point in life!

Monokne

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

Why is it in the balance? That quarantine nonsense will be well gone by then as will the 20km rule and as long as turkey isn’t restricting travel on people from Ireland you’ll be fine.

You're not allowed out of Ireland or into Turkey right now and as best as I can tell neither have definitive dates on that changing. Plus I would assume any dates are entirely dependent on the pandemic progressing anyway, and given the stories in the media around Turkey trying to hide/downplay their figures, nothing seems concrete at the moment.

Credit Checker Moose

You're not allowed out of Ireland

You are free to leave at anytime.

titan18

alchemist33 wrote: »

Not even treatment?

Treatment will be covered by EHIC, or health insurance if you have that. Nothing will be covered under travel insurance for it. It's now a known risk so it'll be built in.

johnire

I imagine it will be a thourghly miserable experience.
If people like the CEO of Dubai Airports is saying

Going through an airport, the whole travel experience, will be as enjoyable as open-heart surgery,” Dubai Airports CEO Paul Griffiths

https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/news/21138567/postcoronavirus-travel-will-be-as-enjoyable-as-openheart-surgery-dubai-airports-ceo-says

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

EU countries only with EHIC is looking the best bet by far. But not for me in the Summer during the school holidays... don't have to tie myself to the mid term breaks and so on anymore. Mid October is something I might consider.

But will let the guinea pigs go first and see how the social distancing and so on work in airports. Can't see it being a pleasant or quick experience, as if it ever was in the first place. Sorry if I sound smug about the freedom to choose when to travel, but it took a long time to get to this point in life!

Clonmel1000

Monokne wrote: »

You're not allowed out of Ireland or into Turkey right now and as best as I can tell neither have definitive dates on that changing. Plus I would assume any dates are entirely dependent on the pandemic progressing anyway, and given the stories in the media around Turkey trying to hide/downplay their figures, nothing seems concrete at the moment.

Is this mid August or have I missed something?

Clonmel1000

johnire wrote: »

I imagine it will be a thourghly miserable experience.
If people like the CEO of Dubai Airports is saying

Going through an airport, the whole travel experience, will be as enjoyable as open-heart surgery,” Dubai Airports CEO Paul Griffiths

https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/news/21138567/postcoronavirus-travel-will-be-as-enjoyable-as-openheart-surgery-dubai-airports-ceo-says

The context of his article I think is too show how impractical some of the measures are as opposed to actually telling people not to fly.

Monokne

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

Is this mid August or have I missed something?

You have missed something but I suspect it's wilfully, judging by the tone your consistent choice of wording gives off Enjoy your day.

Gael23

Will travel insurance not cover medical costs relating to Covid 19? I knew claims regarding cancelled holidays were excluded but not medical ones

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

I missed my trip to Mexico that was supposed to happen in a fortnight. I’m thinking of rescheduling for mid September. I’ve little to lose, the airlines refusing to refund anyway, and the hotel cancellation is free.

titan18

Gael23 wrote: »

Will travel insurance not cover medical costs relating to Covid 19? I knew claims regarding cancelled holidays were excluded but not medical ones

Id assume not. If you have health insurance that should though. Mine does at least anyway, and think most policies do up to a certain amount. EHIC will provide same healthcare as citizens in EU countries too.

Gael23

titan18 wrote: »

Id assume not. If you have health insurance that should though. Mine does at least anyway, and think most policies do up to a certain amount. EHIC will provide same healthcare as citizens in EU countries too.

Yes my health insurance covers €100k for medical expenses but that might nit be enough should you end up in ICU for a few weeks

ninebeanrows

Greece allowing Irish citizens from June 15th

ninebeanrows

Croatia accepting visitors who have pre booked accommodation.

A enter Croatia form must be filled in but no quarantine.

Croatia currently has a low incidence of COVID-19. As at 1 June 2020, 2246 confirmed cases and 103 deaths. Croatia closed its borders to foreign travellers and restricted internal movement at an early stage but from 28 April started a stepped reduction in lockdown restrictions. Over the weekend of 16/17 May Croatia opened its borders to foreign tourists who have pre-boo

DvB

Gael23 wrote: »

I knew claims regarding cancelled holidays were excluded but not medical ones

Is that definitely the case?

If for example the DFA are still advising against non essential travel but the flights go and you decide to abide by the advice not to travel, you've no recourse with your insurer for losses incurred?

StreetLight

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Greece allowing Irish citizens from June 15th

Greece originally stated that visitors from only certain countries were eligible to enter, but Ireland was not on the list. Have they amended that list?

Clonmel1000

StreetLight wrote: »

Greece originally stated that visitors from only certain countries were eligible to enter, but Ireland was not on the list. Have they amended that list?

Yes it appears so. Great news. Hon the Greeks.

ninebeanrows

A scan of the Aerlingus website would indicate they are planning to open up a lot of routes again from 20th July, most flights before then are closed off for booking.

I am not sure if there has been an announcement by them regarding this but would appear July 20th is when things will kick off again.

Clonmel1000

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

A scan of the Aerlingus website would indicate they are planning to open up a lot of routes again from 20th July, most flights before then are closed off for booking.

I am not sure if there has been an announcement by them regarding this but would appear July 20th is when things will kick off again.

Coincides with the 20km rule gone and phase 4 starting.

TomTree

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Greece allowing Irish citizens from June 15th

Where did you see this?

ninebeanrows

TomTree wrote: »

Where did you see this?

Indo (for my sins)

Greece set to open for Irish visitors after travel ban U-turn
Henry Samuel in Paris

Irish people are among those permitted to travel to Greece "without quarantine", its tourism minister confirmed yesterday amid a Europe-wide scramble to salvage the crucial summer holiday season.

Last week, Greece appeared to slap a nationwide ban on flights from here after leaving Ireland off its "white list" of 29 nations with better-than-­average Covid-19 infection records.

But yesterday, it said this had been a "misunderstanding" and Irish holidaymakers will be allowed to visit as early as mid-June. However, the Irish Department of Foreign Affairs is still advising against all non-essential travel overseas until further notice.

Greece has pledged to "welcome the world" from June 15, when it will resume flights to its two main airports, Athens and Thessaloniki. Others will be reopened to international flights from July 1.

ninebeanrows

Misunderstanding = we forgot you aren't Brits.

DvB

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

A scan of the Aerlingus website would indicate they are planning to open up a lot of routes again from 20th July, most flights before then are closed off for booking.

I am not sure if there has been an announcement by them regarding this but would appear July 20th is when things will kick off again.

Seems like Ryanair are the only ones looking to push kicking off prior to the 20th July. Clearly a way to avoid paying out refunds / vouchers... Hoping they end up being forced into matching that but not expecting them to, O'Leary clearly on a money grab, already know of people who booked flights since they announced they were back on July 1st and within a few hours of booking received an email to say their flights were cancelled and were offered vouchers, thats borderline fraud at this stage, amazed a bigger deal isnt being made of this.