idiots who think they own the road in their lorries

kincaid

a close relation of mine in her early 70's was in her yaris yesterday coming from shopping and pulled out from a junction and approaching the 30mph zone up ahead when an arctic truck come up behind her and was right up on her bumper, he actually increased his speed to get up on her tail, swinging in left and then right and tight up behind her, she was really scared, was northern reg, she did not get the full reg and really frightened her that she does not want to go out driving now asking us to pick up some things from the shop from her.
A proper cu*t this guy was and I would take the head clean off his shoulders if I had got hold of him,

Wildly Boaring

mph - so 2004

Mad_maxx

kincaid wrote: »

a close relation of mine in her early 70's was in her yaris yesterday coming from shopping and pulled out from a junction and approaching the 30mph zone up ahead when an arctic truck come up behind her and was right up on her bumper, he actually increased his speed to get up on her tail, swinging in left and then right and tight up behind her, she was really scared, was northern reg, she did not get the full reg and really frightened her that she does not want to go out driving now asking us to pick up some things from the shop from her.
A proper cu*t this guy was and I would take the head clean off his shoulders if I had got hold of him,

What exactly did he do that is illegal?

Witcher

Kincaid's been putting in the rounds

SEPT 23 1989

sounds like he jammed on trying not to go through the back of her

did she not see the truck when she pulled out?

bucketybuck

I was driving around the M50 today, coming towards the Dundrum exit southbound. I was in the middle lane doing about 105kph passing an Artic in the inner lane.

Saw an older woman in a SUV sitting on the hard shoulder just ahead. She put the indicator on and inched forward, stopped, then the stupid ****ing bitch pulled right out in front of the Artic. I had to swerve right to give the Artic somewhere to go, we are all blessed that there wasn't anybody coming past us in the overtaking lane at the time.

You say the big bad truck sped up to catch the old dear in the OP? Yeah, sure. Trucks with their speed limiters are notorious for catching up to people all right. Why not be honest, the old woman pulled out from the junction in front of the truck without giving enough room and then toddled along well below the speed limit and acting like a rolling roadblock. OP should save the hard man act I suspect.

biko

That sucks OP, hope she feel better about it soon.
Bet the lorry driver wouldn't have been a douche if it was a Mercedes in front of him instead of a Yaris.

DanielODonnell

Southern cars often act arrogantly in my land too, overtaking you when you are already driving over the speed limit. I always curse them as I know northern people are always getting abused in south so they deserve it. "Who does this southerner think he is" is what usually comes out or "donegal clown" or "what's a Cork car doing here"

DMcL1971

In my experience truck and lorry drivers are some of the best out there. They drive for a living and have to be far more aware of what’s around them to avoid hitting anything. They can’t accelerate as fast or stop as quickly so are far more aware of their speeds. I’d rather be behind a truck than a 70 year old any day.

One eyed Jack

kincaid wrote: »

a close relation of mine in her early 70's was in her yaris yesterday coming from shopping and pulled out from a junction and approaching the 30mph zone up ahead when an arctic truck come up behind her and was right up on her bumper, he actually increased his speed to get up on her tail, swinging in left and then right and tight up behind her, she was really scared, was northern reg, she did not get the full reg and really frightened her that she does not want to go out driving now asking us to pick up some things from the shop from her.
A proper cu*t this guy was and I would take the head clean off his shoulders if I had got hold of him,

Sounds like your relation got a fright when she realised she didn’t own the road herself tbh.

Some people don’t realise that the onus is on them to be aware that there are other people who use the roads besides themselves, and there are idiots of every description commandeering all sorts of vehicles and bikes and pedestrians.

The idea of a lorry driver speeding up to bumper check a car? Why would they? Does that honestly make any sense to you? From their higher vantage point they have a better overview of the roads than drivers in cars for a start, and they aren’t likely to risk their insurance and put their livelihood in jeopardy just to put the wind up a Yaris driver :pac:

Dravokivich

bucketybuck wrote: »

I was driving around the M50 today, coming towards the Dundrum exit southbound. I was in the middle lane doing about 105kph passing an Artic in the inner lane.

Saw an older woman in a SUV sitting on the hard shoulder just ahead. She put the indicator on and inched forward, stopped, then the stupid ****ing bitch pulled right out in front of the Artic. I had to swerve right to give the Artic somewhere to go, we are all blessed that there wasn't anybody coming past us in the overtaking lane at the time.

You say the big bad truck sped up to catch the old dear in the OP? Yeah, sure. Trucks with their speed limiters are notorious for catching up to people all right. Why not be honest, the old woman pulled out from the junction in front of the truck without giving enough room and then toddled along well below the speed limit and acting like a rolling roadblock. OP should save the hard man act I suspect.

Plenty of trucks out there with limiters disabled. With a light load, they can get quite a bit of speed.

Dravokivich

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Sounds like your relation got a fright when she realised she didn’t own the road herself tbh.

Some people don’t realise that the onus is on them to be aware that there are other people who use the roads besides themselves, and there are idiots of every description commandeering all sorts of vehicles and bikes and pedestrians.

The idea of a lorry driver speeding up to bumper check a car? Why would they? Does that honestly make any sense to you? From their higher vantage point they have a better overview of the roads than drivers in cars for a start, and they aren’t likely to risk their insurance and put their livelihood in jeopardy just to put the wind up a Yaris driver :pac:

I've had trucks get up close to the back of me. Why they do it, dunno, i cant talk to'em.

Mr Meanor

The HGV transport industry is highly regulated, the drivers have to obey many rules, carry numerous expensive certifications and carry the burden of personal responsibility to the Gardai and courts for their companies vehicle road worthiness, their delivery and time policies and are in the main very poorly paid for what should be a lucrative career.

Many professional drivers have left the industry.

Podge201

Beware of getting rear entry.

endacl

Order one of these for her, OP.

Hammer89

How did she end up in the arctic in a Yaris?

Hamsterchops

I was thinking the same thing myself

An articulated lorry (truck) is a vehicle which has a permanent or semi-permanent pivot joint in its construction, allowing the vehicle to bend and turn more sharply. Trams and trains are also articulated.

Arctic Artic is an abbreviation of articulated.

sydthebeat

Nothing as dangerous as a car that pulls out onto a road and doesn't accelerate off.

Brendan Flowers

Generally I don't have any issues with truck drivers. Expect for one thing. Why do they have to flash other truck drivers coming the opposite direction on motorways? There I am, just after going past a truck and moving back into the left lane. Suddenly lights start flashing behind me and I wondering what I did wrong. Are my indicators not working? Is there any issue with my car? Is he flashing me for some other reason? This happened me a few time before I realised any time they were flashing was because it was directed towards a fellow trucker on the other side of the motorway! Is it just me or has this confused others too?

Hamsterchops

Well I was flashed after overtaking a lorry (not articulated) just the other day. Don't know why he flashed me, but I pulled over onto the hard shoulder, got out & had a look round my car to see what was wrong, no idea why he flashed

The lorry shot past ......

bucketybuck

Dravokivich wrote: »

Plenty of trucks out there with limiters disabled. With a light load, they can get quite a bit of speed.

There are trucks out there with limiters disabled but there are certainly not plenty of them, the vast, vast majority of HGV's are compliant.

And its not even because of the constant RSA checkpoints or the manufacturer software that limits the speed by regulation, its because in this industry cost is king and hauliers tend to look very, very closely at their fuel costs. Not only are most vehicles compliant regarding RSLs, a surprising number of them will be set below 90kph because of the fuel savings that can be made on longer journeys. There will always be a few cowboys on the road but they are very much the exception rather than the rule.

Its irrelevant anyway. Everybody knows full well what actually happened to the old dear in the Yaris. She pulled out in front of the truck causing it to brake and then toddled along well below the speed limit, just another old dear going through life with a queue behind her.

OldGoat

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

Generally I don't have any issues with truck drivers. Expect for one thing. Why do they have to flash other truck drivers coming the opposite direction on motorways? There I am, just after going past a truck and moving back into the left lane. Suddenly lights start flashing behind me and I wondering what I did wrong. Are my indicators not working? Is there any issue with my car? Is he flashing me for some other reason? This happened me a few time before I realised any time they were flashing was because it was directed towards a fellow trucker on the other side of the motorway! Is it just me or has this confused others too?

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Well I was flashed after overtaking a lorry (not articulated) just the other day. Don't know why he flashed me, but I pulled over onto the hard shoulder, got out & had a look round my car to see what was wrong, no idea why he flashed

The lorry shot past ......

Trucks frequently flash at overtaking traffic to let them know that they are past and can pull back into lane. It's generally used for slow overtaking trucks, you know, the kind that take 10 minutes to overtake because they are travelling about 0.2 kph faster than the truck in front.
If you try flashing an overtaking trucks to let them know when they can pull back into lane in front of you you'll be rewarded with an acknowledging hazard warning light flash to say "Thanks". Brotherhood of the road and all that ****e.

Mad_maxx

bucketybuck wrote: »

There are trucks out there with limiters disabled but there are certainly not plenty of them, the vast, vast majority of HGV's are compliant.

And its not even because of the constant RSA checkpoints or the manufacturer software that limits the speed by regulation, its because in this industry cost is king and hauliers tend to look very, very closely at their fuel costs. Not only are most vehicles compliant regarding RSLs, a surprising number of them will be set below 90kph because of the fuel savings that can be made on longer journeys. There will always be a few cowboys on the road but they are very much the exception rather than the rule.

Its irrelevant anyway. Everybody knows full well what actually happened to the old dear in the Yaris. She pulled out in front of the truck causing it to brake and then toddled along well below the speed limit, just another old dear going through life with a queue behind her.

those kind of drivers instinct is too slow down more when someone comes up behind them , they sort of freeze up and think " the best thing to do is not to move much "

end of the road

bucketybuck wrote: »

There are trucks out there with limiters disabled but there are certainly not plenty of them, the vast, vast majority of HGV's are compliant.

And its not even because of the constant RSA checkpoints or the manufacturer software that limits the speed by regulation, its because in this industry cost is king and hauliers tend to look very, very closely at their fuel costs. Not only are most vehicles compliant regarding RSLs, a surprising number of them will be set below 90kph because of the fuel savings that can be made on longer journeys. There will always be a few cowboys on the road but they are very much the exception rather than the rule.

Its irrelevant anyway. Everybody knows full well what actually happened to the old dear in the Yaris. She pulled out in front of the truck causing it to brake and then toddled along well below the speed limit, just another old dear going through life with a queue behind her.

actually no, everyone doesn't know full well what happened to the individual concerned.
some people believe that what you stated above is what happened, and it very well may be the case, but unless anyone of us where there, then we aren't going to know what happened.

JohnnyFlash

end of the road wrote: »

actually no, everyone doesn't know full well what happened to the individual concerned.
some people believe that what you stated above is what happened, and it very well may be the case, but unless anyone of us where there, then we aren't going to know what happened.

It’s good to have you and your unique brand of logic back, EOTR.

Username here

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

It’s good to have you and your unique brand of logic back, EOTR.

I wouldn't go that far, JF.

cj maxx

From the OP it sounds your aunt pulled out in front of the artic ,doing 30kph in a 100kph zone
( Approaching the 30kph zone), while lorry was slowing down from 80kph.
30kph or 18.6mph , which your aunt was driving at is virtually a stop if all traffic aren't also doing 30kph.
Stopping a artic , especially a fully laden one , is no easy job and it sounds like he maximised his braking distance by serving left and right.
Your aunt's a lucky woman.

Dravokivich

bucketybuck wrote: »

There are trucks out there with limiters disabled but there are certainly not plenty of them, the vast, vast majority of HGV's are compliant.

And its not even because of the constant RSA checkpoints or the manufacturer software that limits the speed by regulation, its because in this industry cost is king and hauliers tend to look very, very closely at their fuel costs. Not only are most vehicles compliant regarding RSLs, a surprising number of them will be set below 90kph because of the fuel savings that can be made on longer journeys. There will always be a few cowboys on the road but they are very much the exception rather than the rule.

Its irrelevant anyway. Everybody knows full well what actually happened to the old dear in the Yaris. She pulled out in front of the truck causing it to brake and then toddled along well below the speed limit, just another old dear going through life with a queue behind her.

I didn't say all. I didn't say the majority. I said plenty. There's more at it. then most'll realize.

Hang out by the red cow, inbound side of it. trucks going quite fast through there and off into the M50. They shouldn't be able to close in on me if I'm doing 100 on the motorway.

Its one thing for a haulier to be looking at cost of fuel. Its another when the driver is under pressure to have short journey times, to increase time for turn arounds.

And it comes up often enough on the Garda Twitter feed.

kincaid

Mad_maxx wrote: »

What exactly did he do that is illegal?

an old lady driving and you speed up and intimidate her by driving tight up on her rear bumper and drive out and in is hardly good behaviour and could cause an accident. you can't intimidate or scare anyone like this. Why do people like you think its ok to do this especially to vulnerable or elderly road users

kincaid

cj maxx wrote: »

From the OP it sounds your aunt pulled out in front of the artic ,doing 30kph in a 100kph zone
( Approaching the 30kph zone), while lorry was slowing down from 80kph.
30kph or 18.6mph , which your aunt was driving at is virtually a stop if all traffic aren't also doing 30kph.
Stopping a artic , especially a fully laden one , is no easy job and it sounds like he maximised his braking distance by serving left and right.
Your aunt's a lucky woman.

i said she pulled out in good time and lorry actually increased his speed so it did not have to brake and I use to drive lorries and never once increased my speed to get up on top of others to intimidate them

the beer revolu

kincaid wrote: »

an old lady driving and you speed up and intimidate her by driving tight up on her rear bumper and drive out and in is hardly good behaviour and could cause an accident. you can't intimidate or scare anyone like this. Why do people like you think its ok to do this especially to vulnerable or elderly road users

Except, hardly anyone believes that this is what happened. From the information you provided, most people have come to the conclusion that your friend either didn't see the truck or else misjudged the speed/distance and pulled out in front of approaching truck forcing the driver to emergency brake, narrowly avoiding rearending your friend. It must have been quite frightening for both parties.

Also, how would the truck driver know that it was an older driver in front?

kincaid

bucketybuck wrote: »

There are trucks out there with limiters disabled but there are certainly not plenty of them, the vast, vast majority of HGV's are compliant.

And its not even because of the constant RSA checkpoints or the manufacturer software that limits the speed by regulation, its because in this industry cost is king and hauliers tend to look very, very closely at their fuel costs. Not only are most vehicles compliant regarding RSLs, a surprising number of them will be set below 90kph because of the fuel savings that can be made on longer journeys. There will always be a few cowboys on the road but they are very much the exception rather than the rule.

Its irrelevant anyway. Everybody knows full well what actually happened to the old dear in the Yaris. She pulled out in front of the truck causing it to brake and then toddled along well below the speed limit, just another old dear going through life with a queue behind her.

try not to assume when you don't know, lady never got even a parking fine and so careful on the road,

Badly Drunk Boy

kincaid wrote: »

i said she pulled out in good time and lorry actually increased his speed so it did not have to brake and I use to drive lorries and never once increased my speed to get up on top of others to intimidate them

Speed is relative. If he was going at a certain speed, then saw her, so slowed down, because of her slower speed it probably seemed to her that he was speeding up because he was going faster than her (but slower than he had been).

the beer revolu

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

Speed is relative. If he was going at a certain speed, then saw her, so slowed down, because of her slower speed it probably seemed to her that he was speeding up because he was going faster than her (but slower than he had been).

Exactly. Decelerating but still closing rapidly.

the beer revolu

kincaid wrote: »

i said she pulled out in good time and lorry actually increased his speed so it did not have to brake and I use to drive lorries and never once increased my speed to get up on top of others to intimidate them

Except, until now, you never said that she pulled out in good time.
You, anymore than anyone else here, have no idea whether the truck increased his speed. All you know is that the frightened, distressed woman thinks he sped up.

Also, if the truck driver was being aggressive and intimidatory, surely there would have been a lot of horn blowing - you don't mention this. Sounds like he was too busy desperately trying to stop his truck to even blow the horn.

And the weaving. Why would he do this to intimidate?

I have no doubt that this woman thinks that her version of what happened is what actually happened but I don't believe it to be the truth for one moment.

I saw similar with my ageing father and father-in-law. Both would blame other road users for their poor judgment, almost causing accidents.
And not long before, my FIL was an excellent driver, previously - my own dad was always a bit of a liability!

kingtut

kincaid wrote: »

A proper cu*t this guy was and I would take the head clean off his shoulders if I had got hold of him,

No you won't

cj maxx

kincaid wrote: »

try not to assume when you don't know, lady never got even a parking fine and so careful on the road,

Never getting a parking fine, or even a speeding ticket doesn't confer the right to drive dangerously, or recklessly which I think your aunt may have. Sorry

Better Than Christ

kincaid wrote: »

i said she pulled out in good time and lorry actually increased his speed so it did not have to brake and I use to drive lorries and never once increased my speed to get up on top of others to intimidate them

Acceleration on those things is pathetic - it's more likely that he didn't slow down enough because (a) he stupidly assumed the inattentive pensioner who pulled out in front of him was going to accelerate off into the distance, and (b) didn't want to brake hard, thus risking locking-up or damaging whatever goods he was carrying.

bucketybuck wrote: »

Not only are most vehicles compliant regarding RSLs, a surprising number of them will be set below 90kph because of the fuel savings that can be made on longer journeys.

Buses are the same. The ones I drive are supposed to be restricted to 65km/h, but most of them hit the limiter at around 63. Which is great fun on the M50.

Zebra3

Mr Meanor wrote: »

The HGV transport industry is highly regulated, the drivers have to obey many rules, carry numerous expensive certifications and carry the burden of personal responsibility to the Gardai and courts for their companies vehicle road worthiness, their delivery and time policies and are in the main very poorly paid for what should be a lucrative career.

Many professional drivers have left the industry.

In my experience, the worst drivers on the road are those who drive for a living.

The rules of the road don't seem to apply to them, getting from A to B in the quickest time seems to take far greater priority than the safety of other road users and pedestrians.

bucketybuck

Just think about it like, the group of people who rely on their licence for their jobs and livelihood, the group who can least afford to pick up points on their licence, apparently those are the guys who are least likely to be following the rules of the road...

Del2005

Dravokivich wrote: »

Hang out by the red cow, inbound side of it. trucks going quite fast through there and off into the M50. They shouldn't be able to close in on me if I'm doing 100 on the motorway.

If you're doing an indicated 100km/h on your speedo you are more than likely only doing just over 90km/h and the trucks have calibrated speedos to allow them do 90km/h

kincaid wrote: »

try not to assume when you don't know, lady never got even a parking fine and so careful on the road,

My dad never got a parking ticket and thinks he's a careful driver, he's the worse driver I've been in a car with. Being careful on the road doesn't mean to go slowly either, as she's found out when she pulled out in front of a HGV and didn't accelerate.

Capt'n Midnight

kincaid wrote: »

a close relation of mine in her early 70's was in her yaris

And you lost me when you mentioned Yaris.

Provided it is safe and legal to do you should always overtake a Yaris at the first possible opportunity.

saabsaab

DanielODonnell wrote: »

Southern cars often act arrogantly in my land too, overtaking you when you are already driving over the speed limit. I always curse them as I know northern people are always getting abused in south so they deserve it. "Who does this southerner think he is" is what usually comes out or "donegal clown" or "what's a Cork car doing here"

Lay off Cork. They have business up north too.

kincaid

kingtut wrote: »

No you won't

at the time I would have

kincaid

Del2005 wrote: »

If you're doing an indicated 100km/h on your speedo you are more than likely only doing just over 90km/h and the trucks have calibrated speedos to allow them do 90km/h



My dad never got a parking ticket and thinks he's a careful driver, he's the worse driver I've been in a car with. Being careful on the road doesn't mean to go slowly either, as she's found out when she pulled out in front of a HGV and didn't accelerate.

been with her many time in the car and she is careful, does not take chances, some lorry drivers think they can imtimate other road users, thats a fact, theyre just ****

kincaid

the beer revolu wrote: »

Except, hardly anyone believes that this is what happened. From the information you provided, most people have come to the conclusion that your friend either didn't see the truck or else misjudged the speed/distance and pulled out in front of approaching truck forcing the driver to emergency brake, narrowly avoiding rearending your friend. It must have been quite frightening for both parties.

Also, how would the truck driver know that it was an older driver in front?

i not worried what you believe, its called good eyesight , I was a lorry driver myself and could tell who was driving in the car in front.

gary550

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Well I was flashed after overtaking a lorry (not articulated) just the other day. Don't know why he flashed me, but I pulled over onto the hard shoulder, got out & had a look round my car to see what was wrong, no idea why he flashed

The lorry shot past ......

Lorry drivers tend to flash drivers who are overtaking to let them know they are passed the their truck and it is ok to pull back in front.

Most truck drivers do this when another artic/truck is overtaking them as it would be very hard for the driver in the overtaking truck to gauge when he is passed through his mirror and it is safe to pull back in the left lane.

CrankyHaus

Zebra3 wrote: »

In my experience, the worst drivers on the road are those who drive for a living.

The rules of the road don't seem to apply to them, getting from A to B in the quickest time seems to take far greater priority than the safety of other road users and pedestrians.

There are plenty of professional HGV drivers, but a few aggressive muppets too. I've heard shocking attitudes from them "The man with the load owns the road" etc. You see it driving, with HGVs bullying their way into other vehicle's paths and reacting with outrage when people stand up to them. Not to mention the amount of retards who drive straight into bridges with abundantly signposted height limits. You can even find it on Boards occasionally when professed Truck Drivers get together to tell each other they're right to use their mobiles at the wheel because of their "special training" and "Hurr Durr, respect the truck".


Couriers and taxi drivers have far lower standards, but again you will find professional ones.

the beer revolu

So, OP, there's still no doubt in your mind about what actually happened, despite the fact that you weren't there and despite the fact that, with the same information, pretty much everyone here has come to a very different conclusion to you? No doubt, at all??

You don't think that there's a possibility that your friend pulled out infront of an oncoming truck, causing the truck to narrowly avoid rearending your pal?

kincaid

she did not pull out in front of him, i said that, some people just got no respect for other road users nowadays and used to be a lorry driver and seen it all.
Some young guys get into these big lorries and think they own the feckin road and are untouchable and got no respect for other road users and we see it all the time.Most lorry drivers are fine but some are real idiots and will get what they deserve at some stage

buried

A lot of people ave no clue how to overtake a Lorry driver on a motorway. I see it day in day out. You have to begin to overtake a lorry on a motorway a good 15 - 20 car lengths away from the lorry driver in order for that driver to know you are intending to overtake them, they cant see you if you just move up to right behind them and then begin to overtake. You have to show them your intention early and then 9 times out of ten they will move over a bit to help both of you move on. Do the opposite all you are doing is giving the lorry driver a shock or else they have literally no clue you are attempting to overtake them as they cant see you in their mirror.