Car tax dilemma

blinkey 101

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Cork Trucker

blinkey 101 wrote: »

Can someone please help ,

My car is sitting in my garden engine is shot ,nor the thing is I'm trying to cancel my car tax I've just paid €56 euro arrears on line so I tried to declare it off the road but it won't let me do that unless I tax it for at least 3 months ? Has anyone had this problem ?

Tia .

You’ll only get refunded if it’s scrapped and has more than 3 months.

blinkey 101

Cork Trucker wrote: »

You’ll only get refunded if it’s scrapped and has more than 3 months.

Thanks for your reply 👠the thing is I don't want a refund I just want stop paying tax for a car that's just sitting in my garden gathering dust ?

Bruthal

blinkey 101 wrote: »

Thanks for your reply 👠the thing is I don't want a refund I just want stop paying tax for a car that's just sitting in my garden gathering dust ?

If you are not driving it again, no need to tax it.

blinkey 101

Bruthal wrote: »

If you are not driving it again, no need to tax it.

But that's the thing even if your not driving the car the tax builds up . I'm trying to declare it off the road but to do that on line it's telling me I must first pay at least 3 months tax to declare it off the road . ?

Bruthal

blinkey 101 wrote: »

But that's the thing even if your not driving the car the tax builds up . I'm trying to declare it off the road but to do that on line it's telling me I must first pay at least 3 months tax to declare it off the road . ?

If you keep it off the road then decide to drive again, change ownership, and back again. Only owed from new ownership month then.

Guy:Incognito

blinkey 101 wrote: »

But that's the thing even if your not driving the car the tax builds up . I'm trying to declare it off the road but to do that on line it's telling me I must first pay at least 3 months tax to declare it off the road . ?

Are you ever going to be driving it again? If not then it doesn't matter. The next owner won't be liable, either will you. Same if its scrapped.

blinkey 101

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Are you ever going to be driving it again? If not then it doesn't matter. The next owner won't be liable, either will you. Same if its scrapped.

Well at the moment I don't have the money to repair it ,it needs a new hpfp so it won't start . I've been to the Garda station and the guard laughed at the idea of what the tax office was asking . To declare a car off the road you must pay for at least 3 months tax before you can declare it off the road or undriveable ?

People have said already, you do not need to declare it off the road if it is off the road so stop trying. Just don’t tax it and don’t drive it.

Bruthal

blinkey 101 wrote: »

Well at the moment I don't have the money to repair it ,it needs a new hpfp so it won't start . I've been to the Garda station and the guard laughed at the idea of what the tax office was asking . To declare a car off the road you must pay for at least 3 months tax before you can declare it off the road or undriveable ?

Well as I said, you can change ownership to the other half or similar, then change back if you are going to drive it again. Only thing against it is number of owners increases. Doubt that matters in this case.

blinkey 101

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

People have said already, you do not need to declare it off the road if it is off the road so stop trying. Just don’t tax it and don’t drive it.

Hang in a minute pal . It doesn't work that way !

Even if you leave a car in a garden it still accumulates tax we all know that !!!!! What I'm trying to find out is how to stop a broken down car from accumulating TAX !!!!!!!!!!

No need to be rude !!!

blinkey 101

blinkey 101 wrote: »

Hang in a minute pal . It doesn't work that way !

Even if you leave a car in a garden it still accumulates tax we all know that !!!!! What I'm trying to find out is how to stop a broken down car from accumulating TAX !!!!!!!!!!

No need to be rude !!!

Wasn’t meant to sound rude. Though it does kind of seem like you don’t want to listen to the answers people are giving.

You don’t need to ever pay tax on this car again unless you’re going to drive it again. And if it ever happens that you are going to drive it again, it’s been explained that it’s very easy to legally do so without paying any arrears.

blinkey 101

And I thank everyone for there help I do really appreciated it . It's just I'm smashed till I get back to work and can't keep paying for backdated tax .

blinkey 101

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Wasn’t meant to sound rude. Though it does kind of seem like you don’t want to listen to the answers people are giving.

Can you please do me a favour and stay out if it ? Your not helping I am taking on board what people are say and I really appreciate it . But I don't have a partner to swap it into their name etc . And honestly if you don't have anything to say that can help please go away .

blinkey 101

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Wasn’t meant to sound rude. Though it does kind of seem like you don’t want to listen to the answers people are giving.

You don’t need to ever pay tax on this car again unless you’re going to drive it again. And if it ever happens that you are going to drive it again, it’s been explained that it’s very easy to legally do so without paying any arrears.

Ok so I've paid arrears for last month it was sitting in the garden what happens next Month and the month after that ? Or if the car is in my garden for two years ? It builds up even the guard said you will always have to back date it untill it's declared off the road .

blinkey 101

blinkey 101 wrote: »

Can you please do me a favour and stay out if it ? Your not helping I am taking on board what people are say and I really appreciate it . But I don't have a partner to swap it into their name etc . And honestly if you don't have anything to say that can help please go away .

I don’t see moderator under your name but then again you’re just being awkward for the sake of it now so what’s the point. Pay up or listen to the advice people are giving so you don’t have to. Your choice.

blinkey 101

Bruthal wrote: »

If you are not driving it again, no need to tax it.

Thanks but the tax office will keep sending reminder of payment due until it's declared off the road and for me to go on line and declare it off the road they want me to tax my car that can't be driven .

blinkey 101

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I don’t see moderator under your name but then again you’re just being awkward for the sake of it now so what’s the point. Pay up or listen to the advice people are giving so you don’t have to. Your choice.

Please go away ?

punisher5112

blinkey 101 wrote: »

Can you please do me a favour and stay out if it ? Your not helping I am taking on board what people are say and I really appreciate it . But I don't have a partner to swap it into their name etc . And honestly if you don't have anything to say that can help please go away .

Right you need to chill....


The advice given is bang on..

You are in motorbikes section anyway.

If you leave as is then don't worry, the only way you will be eligible to pay the back tax is if you put it back on the road and want to tax it. But there is a legal way around this.

Sell the car to Joey MC Joe at your address, then wait for it to come out in the post and you then put your name back on the VLC and send it back again at no cost whatsoever as to post to Shannon you put free post on the envelope and pop it off.

You can do this now, send it off and you have 21 days from change of ownership to sign it off the road.

You can then select a year or less but if you decide on two months you want to tax it this just cancels.

If you still had tax on your car then you can sign off the road but there must be tax on it, if it's gone past this window to do so then your only options are pay back tax when you want to tax or do it as outlined above....


This isn't a catch or illegal and many are doing so as they've been caught in a similar situation or just forgot.

Get your VLC fill out any name to your address, wait for return then send it with your real name....

pablo128

blinkey 101 wrote: »

Thanks but the tax office will keep sending reminder of payment due until it's declared off the road and for me to go on line and declare it off the road they want me to tax my car that can't be driven .

Put the car into a fictional name at your address. When the time comes that's it's repaired and ready to drive again, put it back into your name and tax it. You won't have to pay any back tax that way.

Bruthal

blinkey 101 wrote: »

Thanks but the tax office will keep sending reminder of payment due until it's declared off the road and for me to go on line and declare it off the road they want me to tax my car that can't be driven .

Well if you don't want to listen and want to pay extra taxes go ahead. I had car off road for 5 months. Changed ownership. Change back start of May. Tax from May.

Reminders are just that. Reminders. Mean nothing if not driving on public roads. Except to people who want to pay more tax while really not being liable

XLR 8

blinkey 101 wrote: »

Hang in a minute pal . It doesn't work that way !

Even if you leave a car in a garden it still accumulates tax we all know that !!!!! What I'm trying to find out is how to stop a broken down car from accumulating TAX !!!!!!!!!!

No need to be rude !!!

Like everything in Ireland its a stupid system. If it won't let you declare it off road then don't. If you ever intend to re-use the car and put it back on the road then just use the change of owner form to negate the need for you to pay the arrears. Once you receive the new log book tax the car from that date. You can simply use the change of owner form again but this time re register the car to you. This can be done as often as you like, it is not illegal. The name you temporarily register the car to can be fictitious or a child's name that how stupid the whole system is it's a farce. I understand what you're trying to do and its the right thing to do. But you have been failed by a system that is complete bulls@#t. As long as the car remains in a garage or driveway it cannot be penalised by tickets. I hope that helps.

blinkey 101

XLR 8 wrote: »

Like everything in Ireland its a stupid system. If it won't let you declare it off road then don't. If you ever intend to re-use the car and put it back on the road then just use the change of owner form to negate the need for you to pay the arrears. Once you receive the new log book tax the car from that date. You can simply use the change of owner form again but this time re register the car to you. This can be done as often as you like, it is not illegal. The name you temporarily register the car to can be fictitious or a child's name that how stupid the whole system is it's a farce. I understand what you're trying to do and its the right thing to do. But you have been failed by a system that is complete bulls@#t. As long as the car remains in a garage or driveway it cannot be penalised by tickets. I hope that helps.

Thank you so much to you and everyone that helped . Except the mod that was dying to pull the trigger on my post and pull it down ðŸ‘ðŸ‘ðŸ‘ðŸ‘ðŸ‘. Stay safe people ðŸ™

You can only declare off road before the tax expires.

blinkey 101

XLR 8 wrote: »

Like everything in Ireland its a stupid system. If it won't let you declare it off road then don't. If you ever intend to re-use the car and put it back on the road then just use the change of owner form to negate the need for you to pay the arrears. Once you receive the new log book tax the car from that date. You can simply use the change of owner form again but this time re register the car to you. This can be done as often as you like, it is not illegal. The name you temporarily register the car to can be fictitious or a child's name that how stupid the whole system is it's a farce. I understand what you're trying to do and its the right thing to do. But you have been failed by a system that is complete bulls@#t. As long as the car remains in a garage or driveway it cannot be penalised by tickets. I hope that helps.

A true gentleman thank you and God bless you . Sorry if I got annoyed it's just that clown that jumped in with no help to offer me .

emeldc

I can’t believe it took 23 posts for the penny to drop :P

punisher5112

emeldc wrote: »

I can’t believe it took 23 posts for the penny to drop :P

Don't forget it's free post so save that penny

Guy:Incognito

blinkey 101 wrote: »

Ok so I've paid arrears for last month it was sitting in the garden what happens next Month and the month after that ? Or if the car is in my garden for two years ? It builds up even the guard said you will always have to back date it untill it's declared off the road .

The idea is to declare it off the road before the tax runs out in the first place. The reason youve to tax it for 3 months before declaring it off the road is 3 months is the minimum it can be taxed for.

Guy:Incognito

XLR 8 wrote: »

Like everything in Ireland its a stupid system.

The system is fine if people use it properly.

If it allowed you to declare it off the road retrospectively like the old system, then people drive their cars for a few months and then declare them off the road, tax for 3 months and then repeat for as long as you can get away with.

blinkey 101

SouthWesterly wrote: »

You can only declare off road before the tax expires.

Yeah that's what the guard said I've paid the back tax I'm actually afraid to ask you incase you know who is watching this and calls the feelings police . But say if I paid the tax now for 3 months would I be able to declare it off the road ? If you get me and I promise I've taken everything onboard from everyone .

emeldc

blinkey 101 wrote: »

Yeah that's what the guard said I've paid the back tax I'm actually afraid to ask you incase you know who is watching this and calls the feelings police . But say if I paid the tax now for 3 months would I be able to declare it off the road ? If you get me and I promise I've taken everything onboard from everyone .

You’re really not getting this, are you?

punisher5112

blinkey 101 wrote: »

Yeah that's what the guard said I've paid the back tax I'm actually afraid to ask you incase you know who is watching this and calls the feelings police . But say if I paid the tax now for 3 months would I be able to declare it off the road ? If you get me and I promise I've taken everything onboard from everyone .

Yes you can sign it off the road but you won't get the 3 months tax.....

Why would you tax it if you knew you weren't using it?

Everything is on motortax site

Guy:Incognito

blinkey 101 wrote: »

Thanks but the tax office will keep sending reminder of payment due until it's declared off the road and for me to go on line and declare it off the road they want me to tax my car that can't be driven .

They'll send the odd one now and again if at all.

To be fair, saying about paying arrears every month is a bit hysterical. If that was what was going to happen, why would you not pay the 3 months and then declare it off the road?

blinkey 101

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

They'll send the odd one now and again if at all.

To be fair, saying about paying arrears every month is a bit hysterical. If that was what was going to happen, why would you not pay the 3 months and then declare it off the road?

That's what I was asking if I pay it for the 3 months now would I be able to log back in and declare it off the road . They can keep any payments . Why is it hysterical ? Arrears do build up anyway that's everyone I'm done here .

punisher5112

blinkey 101 wrote: »

That's what I was asking if I pay it for the 3 months now would I be able to log back in and declare it off the road . They can keep any payments . Why is it hysterical ? Arrears do build up anyway that's everyone I'm done here .

Why in all that is would you tax it though?
You said it's not even running....

You would tend to sorn on the last month.
Once tax is still in date you can.

blinkey 101

punisher5112 wrote: »

Yes you can sign it off the road but you won't get the 3 months tax.....

Why would you tax it if you knew you weren't using it?

Everything is on motortax site

I don't want the 3 months back I just need to log in and declare it off the road but to log in I must pay the 3 months . Look it doesn't matter guys I'll sort it .

blinkey 101

punisher5112 wrote: »

Why in all that is would you tax it though?
You said it's not even running....

You would tend to sorn on the last month.
Once tax is still in date you can.

It's not running it need a new high fuel pressure pump and I don't have the money for that . Soooo I wanted to tell the tax office I have no car . So to declare it off the road it is no more drivable till it's fixed and that could be months away . So put it like this if I get it fixed in 6 months time it will have accumulated arrears .

punisher5112

blinkey 101 wrote: »

I don't want the 3 months back I just need to log in and declare it off the road but to log in I must pay the 3 months . Look it doesn't matter guys I'll sort it .

Don't pay 3 months tax.... You'd be mad too...

Everyone on here has tried to help you....


You get your VLC, fill out the new owner details on the rear(you but different name) then re sell it back to yourself when it comes back from Shannon.

The address is on the VLC, pop in envelope and as I said write free post on it.

This is so easy and there is no stress whatsoever.

Obviously you will add amount of owners but take a copy of each time you do this and throw it in the car book or service pack book.....

The Gardai can't help you so just do as we have advised and it costs you nothing....

Bizarre you can't understand as I've put it out in steps to follow, there is no catch with it and it's fully legal to do so.

blinkey 101

emeldc wrote: »

I can’t believe it took 23 posts for the penny to drop :P

Or 23 posts to make my point ? If someone clown hadent of bushwhacked my post it wouldn't have got lost in translation.

blinkey 101

punisher5112 wrote: »

Yes you can sign it off the road but you won't get the 3 months tax.....

Why would you tax it if you knew you weren't using it?

Everything is on motortax site

You think I haven't been on the tax site I just came here like a dumb dumb ?

punisher5112

blinkey 101 wrote: »

It's not running it need a new high fuel pressure pump and I don't have the money for that . Soooo I wanted to tell the tax office I have no car . So to declare it off the road it is no more drivable till it's fixed and that could be months away . So put it like this if I get it fixed in 6 months time it will have accumulated arrears .

NO YOU WONT!!!!!


We have told you step by step what to do.


Are you actually for real now I'm thinking this is trolling.

SELL THE CAR TO JOE AT YOUR ADDRESS ( HE DOES NOT EXIST, THEN GET JOE TO SELL IT BACK TO YOU)



The tax office doesn't care.

mickdw

This is gas.
The op cannot seem to listen to what is being said.

As clearly as i can put this - the tax office think your car is on the road so they send you reminders however any such tax only becomes due when you use it on the road again so you can safely and legally ignore any reminder letters as long as you dont use the car on the road.
The untaxed period is not an issue and wont have to be back paid by you unless you put the car on the road in future.
You are not breaking any law in ignoring the tax reminder because you are not on the road with your car.
DO NOT PAY any more tax on this car if its off the road.
The declaring off the road system is in place to allow people store cars off road and then put them back on the road at whatever stsge suits them without incurring back taxes.
If you are not putti g back on the road, this doesnt concern you.
If you sell it in future, the tax status is of no concern to you or buyer as the buyer only taxes from start of month that they bought it. Some buyers have been known to try to fool sellers by saying it will coat x amount to bring the tax up to date. This is incorrect.
If you were to put it back on the road in future, you back tax it or do the change of owner trick. Note tax office staff have been known to tell customers to do this so its an accepted loophole kind of setup.
Do not pay for any more tax. You are not breaking any law.

FarOn

punisher5112 wrote: »

NO YOU WONT!!!!!


We have told you step by step what to do.


Are you actually for real now I'm thinking this is trolling.

SELL THE CAR TO JOE AT YOUR ADDRESS ( HE DOES NOT EXIST, THEN GET JOE TO SELL IT BACK TO YOU)



The tax office doesn't care.

Completely agree with you, this is absolute childs play, it has been very competently detailed and the OP seems to be ignoring all the facts.

RocketRaccoon

This thread is hilarious, no way he's being serious.

blinkey 101

mickdw wrote: »

This is gas.
The op cannot seem to listen to what is being said.

As clearly as i can put this - the tax office think your car is on the road so they send you reminders however any such tax only becomes due when you use it on the road again so you can safely and legally ignore any reminder letters as long as you dont use the car on the road.
The untaxed period is not an issue and wont have to be back paid by you unless you put the car on the road in future.
You are not breaking any law in ignoring the tax reminder because you are not on the road with your car.
DO NOT PAY any more tax on this car if its off the road.
The declaring off the road system is in place to allow people store cars off road and then put them back on the road at whatever stsge suits them without incurring back taxes.
If you are not putti g back on the road, this doesnt concern you.
If you sell it in future, the tax status is of no concern to you or buyer as the buyer only taxes from start of month that they bought it. Some buyers have been known to try to fool sellers by saying it will coat x amount to bring the tax up to date. This is incorrect.
If you were to put it back on the road in future, you back tax it or do the change of owner trick. Note tax office staff have been known to tell customers to do this so its an accepted loophole kind of setup.
Do not pay for any more tax. You are not breaking any law.

Thanks .

punisher5112

blinkey 101 wrote: »

You think I haven't been on the tax site I just came here like a dumb dumb ?

And we have told you now how many times you were way to late to declare it so you have the 2 options stated.


Yes waste your money and tax a car you can't use.....


I know what I'd be doing with my money....

Use the money you would have had to spend on tax and out it towards fixing and that's totally if the car is actually worth fixing.


If you had the car sitting in your garden 5 years let's say and I were to buy it, the tax that was owed is wiped clean..... You do not owe it nor do it, it's quashed it's forgotten about, nobody comes after anyone for it......


Only issue arises is if you continue to drive it you will be fined and or the car lifted....

Guy:Incognito

blinkey 101 wrote: »

That's what I was asking if I pay it for the 3 months now would I be able to log back in and declare it off the road . They can keep any payments . Why is it hysterical ? Arrears do build up anyway that's everyone I'm done here .

Because instead of listening to reason you just keep repeating about arrears building up.

and even when I offer a solution right there in the bit you quoted, you said it again.
Ill throw it up anyway one more time. If you reckon itll be sitting there for months or years on end while you pay arrears every month, instead of that, tax it for 3 months and then declare it off the road.

Failing that, sell it or scrap it and thatll be the end of it.

blinkey 101

punisher5112 wrote: »

And we have told you now how many times you were way to late to declare it so you have the 2 options stated.


Yes waste your money and tax a car you can't use.....


I know what I'd be doing with my money....

Use the money you would have had to spend on tax and out it towards fixing and that's totally if the car is actually worth fixing.


If you had the car sitting in your garden 5 years let's say and I were to buy it, the tax that was owed is wiped clean..... You do not owe it nor do it, it's quashed it's forgotten about, nobody comes after anyone for it......


Only issue arises is if you continue to drive it you will be fined and or the car lifted....

Car can't and won't be driven because of the fails pump thanks . No more replies and to the mod that's dying to close this tread it's all yours 😘.

emeldc

blinkey 101 wrote: »

Or 23 posts to make my point ? If someone clown hadent of bushwhacked my post it wouldn't have got lost in translation.

You were given the correct info in post #6. You even thanked it.

punisher5112

blinkey 101 wrote: »

Car can't and won't be driven because of the fails pump thanks . No more replies and to the mod that's dying to close this tread it's all yours 😘.

Ah go on tell us what you're going to do

blinkey 101

punisher5112 wrote: »

Ah go on tell us what you're going to do

Well I was thinking of giving it to your wife up the arse ?