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Straight Pull Rifle + Import from UK

  • 15-05-2020 8:56pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭✭✭ rifle23141124


    Hi All,

    Currently have a .223 bolt action, member of midlands.

    I was going to get a restricted firearm but decided it wasn't worth the hastle of security upgrade costs at this time and most likely being held up over covid sitation.

    Just wondering if anyone has got a straight pull AR-15? looking at 300AAC
    Are they classes as bolt action in Ireland or do I tick the 'Other' box on the form?
    My current rifle is extremely heavy,I am looking for something I can use around on the farm with and also use at the range for shorter distance targets.

    The second question, no shops in Ireland seem to stock/sell these, can I import one from a private seller or shop in the UK? Or can my local gunshop import them?

    Wishing everyone the best!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭ alanmc


    Hi All,

    Currently have a .223 bolt action, member of midlands.

    I was going to get a restricted firearm but decided it wasn't worth the hastle of security upgrade costs at this time and most likely being held up over covid sitation.

    Just wondering if anyone has got a straight pull AR-15? looking at 300AAC
    Are they classes as bolt action in Ireland or do I tick the 'Other' box on the form?
    My current rifle is extremely heavy,I am looking for something I can use around on the farm with and also use at the range for shorter distance targets.

    The second question, no shops in Ireland seem to stock/sell these, can I import one from a private seller or shop in the UK? Or can my local gunshop import them?

    Wishing everyone the best!

    So I can't really answer the first part as I don't really have any experience with licensing restricted firearms or straight-pulls (whether they are restricted or not - I don't think they are, but I'm open to be corrected.).

    As for importing, my RFD imported a rifle for me from a gun shop in the UK. He took a deposit, got me a serial, I applied for the license and then the rifle arrived. Pretty painless procedure.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭ alanmc


    Actually, I guess the Blasers are Straight-pull, aren't they. Pretty sure they're licensed as Bolt Action.


  • Registered Users Posts: 699 ✭✭✭ Uinseann_16


    Ive seen them here , they are unrestricted but due to their resembelence to a " assault rifle" they can be classed as a restricted firearm by your super if they feel like being awkward
    I thought straight pull was an option on the FCA1 form? anyways put bolt action which it would be , and yes a dealer can import one from the UK for you
    Be warned they kick like a mule they werent designed to be straight pull after all:P


  • Registered Users Posts: 511 ✭✭✭ solarwinds


    They can be got here, the last time I was in a dealers he had one for sale in .223. But that was a few months ago now.
    A lot of interest in AR 15 looking rifles suddenly ?.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,334 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    Ive seen them here , they are unrestricted but due to their resembelence to a " assault rifle" they can be classed as a restricted firearm by your super if they feel like being awkward
    I thought straight pull was an option on the FCA1 form? anyways put bolt action which it would be , and yes a dealer can import one from the UK for you
    Be warned they kick like a mule they werent designed to be straight pull after all:P

    They'll have a job with that. We have been there,done that,bought the Tshirt stand with semi autos on this looks like malarkey.it falls flat on 2 points. FORM does not dictate FUNCTION,and define in Irish legislation what an "assault rifle" actually is.
    As these rifles were never in any shape an "assault rifle",or even look like one,as one could argue Rugers new target rifle [the XC somthing or other] also looks like an "assault rifle " too,and there is no law here what "bits" you can or cant have on a bolt action ,I'd say go for it and apply for it as a bolt action,which is what it is.

    A lot of interest in AR 15 looking rifles suddenly
    Progress? And that the design is becoming the most common design now in some shape or form in the Western world? That it has surpassed in the US the iconic lever acton rifle as the most common design.:)

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭✭✭ rifle23141124


    Appreicate all the advice guys, that clears it up. I'll speak to my local shop to get one imported ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,839 ✭✭✭✭ kowloon


    If it's an assault rifle, or if it looks like an assault rifle, it's an assault rifle. If it's black it looks like an assault rifle. If it has a pistol grip it's an assault rifle. If it's a Tuesday it's an assault rifle.

    Best of luck with the purchase. The imports are slow at the moment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 441 ✭✭ jb88


    Don't waste your time on a straight pull AR15 for the price etc they are in the UK (Not cheap) Just save the wedge and buy an AR 15 in Semi Auto.
    In fact if your thinking straight pull at all then don't, get a lighter barrelled .223 bolt gun. bit of oil to slick up the action and there is f&ck all difference, believe me ive tried both and prefer the bolt action over a straight pull, (A UK answer to their problem, not ours)


    Ar 15's are strictly for the range only and that is what should be going on your written application letter to support your application. Not for going out in the field and shooting a few foxes. (But make sure you put in your application letter that you may want to do a bit of vermin control with it and ask for a MOD) Tick the box for that and put some info into your supporting letter

    Go through the hastle, get a monitored alarm or have one restricted and 3 unrestricted

    I think the max is 3 unrestricted and one restricted without needing a monitored alarm.

    Your not buying an "assault rifle", they don't exist legally in Ireland, your purchasing a "Sporting Rifle" in semi auto .223 restricted and if you get it built by a lad in Ireland then its a custom build and it will say "Other", on your licence.


    Any half decent AR 15 in the right hands prone with a sling and a 4 powered scope can shoot a 6 inch group at 300 yards.


    If you want the name of a really good lad who builds this stuff send me a PM and I will send on his details.


    Three very important points.
    1. The guy who does this is "NOT CHEAP".

    2. He can build whatever you want to what ever price you want at the best quality. Ive recommended him to 4 people and everyone is extremely happy with the final outcome.


    3. Lastly Rome wasn't built in a day so expect to put down a good deposit and wait, its a 9 month plan from the deposit unless he has what you want in stock.


    Don't waste money and time with your local gun dealer, id be honest and say there is only one guy in the country for this

    You could go a new build straight up from one other guy at around 2k, he could get the gun in say 3 months ish.


    A 300 blackout is only an upper change and a dual calibre licence, but this isn't the good aul USA. 300 Blackout rds are not cheap

    PM ME


  • Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭✭✭ rifle23141124


    Hi JB88

    I've PM'd you!


  • Registered Users Posts: 699 ✭✭✭ Uinseann_16


    jb88 wrote: »
    Don't waste your time on a straight pull AR15 for the price etc they are in the UK (Not cheap) Just save the wedge and buy an AR 15 in Semi Auto.
    In fact if your thinking straight pull at all then don't, get a lighter barrelled .223 bolt gun. bit of oil to slick up the action and there is f&ck all difference, believe me ive tried both and prefer the bolt action over a straight pull, (A UK answer to their problem, not ours)


    Ar 15's are strictly for the range only and that is what should be going on your written application letter to support your application. Not for going out in the field and shooting a few foxes. (But make sure you put in your application letter that you may want to do a bit of vermin control with it and ask for a MOD) Tick the box for that and put some info into your supporting letter

    Go through the hastle, get a monitored alarm or have one restricted and 3 unrestricted

    I think the max is 3 unrestricted and one restricted without needing a monitored alarm.

    Your not buying an "assault rifle", they don't exist legally in Ireland, your purchasing a "Sporting Rifle" in semi auto .223 restricted and if you get it built by a lad in Ireland then its a custom build and it will say "Other", on your licence.


    Any half decent AR 15 in the right hands prone with a sling and a 4 powered scope can shoot a 6 inch group at 300 yards.


    If you want the name of a really good lad who builds this stuff send me a PM and I will send on his details.


    Three very important points.
    1. The guy who does this is "NOT CHEAP".

    2. He can build whatever you want to what ever price you want at the best quality. Ive recommended him to 4 people and everyone is extremely happy with the final outcome.


    3. Lastly Rome wasn't built in a day so expect to put down a good deposit and wait, its a 9 month plan from the deposit unless he has what you want in stock.


    Don't waste money and time with your local gun dealer, id be honest and say there is only one guy in the country for this

    You could go a new build straight up from one other guy at around 2k, he could get the gun in say 3 months ish.


    A 300 blackout is only an upper change and a dual calibre licence, but this isn't the good aul USA. 300 Blackout rds are not cheap

    PM ME

    Im quite confident i know who you're talking about and would recommend him 100% if its who i think it is


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,712 ✭✭✭ Rows Grower


    jb88 wrote: »
    Don't waste your time on a straight pull AR15 for the price etc they are in the UK (Not cheap) Just save the wedge and buy an AR 15 in Semi Auto.
    In fact if your thinking straight pull at all then don't, get a lighter barrelled .223 bolt gun. bit of oil to slick up the action and there is f&ck all difference, believe me ive tried both and prefer the bolt action over a straight pull, (A UK answer to their problem, not ours)


    Ar 15's are strictly for the range only and that is what should be going on your written application letter to support your application. Not for going out in the field and shooting a few foxes. (But make sure you put in your application letter that you may want to do a bit of vermin control with it and ask for a MOD) Tick the box for that and put some info into your supporting letter

    Go through the hastle, get a monitored alarm or have one restricted and 3 unrestricted

    I think the max is 3 unrestricted and one restricted without needing a monitored alarm.

    Your not buying an "assault rifle", they don't exist legally in Ireland, your purchasing a "Sporting Rifle" in semi auto .223 restricted and if you get it built by a lad in Ireland then its a custom build and it will say "Other", on your licence.


    Any half decent AR 15 in the right hands prone with a sling and a 4 powered scope can shoot a 6 inch group at 300 yards.


    If you want the name of a really good lad who builds this stuff send me a PM and I will send on his details.


    Three very important points.
    1. The guy who does this is "NOT CHEAP".

    2. He can build whatever you want to what ever price you want at the best quality. Ive recommended him to 4 people and everyone is extremely happy with the final outcome.


    3. Lastly Rome wasn't built in a day so expect to put down a good deposit and wait, its a 9 month plan from the deposit unless he has what you want in stock.


    Don't waste money and time with your local gun dealer, id be honest and say there is only one guy in the country for this

    You could go a new build straight up from one other guy at around 2k, he could get the gun in say 3 months ish.


    A 300 blackout is only an upper change and a dual calibre licence, but this isn't the good aul USA. 300 Blackout rds are not cheap

    PM ME

    I though it was more than 3 of any firearm needed a monitored alarm and even one restricted on its own needed it as well.

    Someone here will know for sure.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users Posts: 699 ✭✭✭ Uinseann_16


    For the lads asking about security SI/307 dictates Minimum Storage requirements
    I personally have been forced to go above and beyond by my super to a ridiculous point and yes they have the power to do that even if you have one gun the SI only sets out a minimum theres lads with CF pistols who have basically got bank level strong rooms to keep them
    Also CPO visits arnt being done in certain districts keep that in mind
    But the minimum standards are as follows
    1)

    (2)Type and number of firearms

    (3)Secure accommodation standard

    1

    One non-restricted shot-gun.

    The shot-gun shall be disassembled and each part shall be stored securely and separately when not in use.The trigger housing shall be secured against use with an appropriate trigger lock.

    2

    One restricted firearm or three or fewer non-restricted firearms.

    Each firearm shall be stored securely in a gun safe which complies with BS 7558 and which shall be securely fixed to a solid structure.

    3

    Two restricted firearms, or more than three non-restricted firearms.

    Each firearm shall be stored in a gun safe which complies with BS 7558 and which shall be securely fixed to a solid structure.The place in which the firearms are stored shall have an alarm fitted and the external doors to the place shall be fitted with locks which comply with BS 3621.

    4

    Three or more restricted firearms or six or more firearms, of any type, kept in the same place.

    In addition to the standards specified at reference number 3, the place in which the firearms are stored shall have an intruder alarm system, installed and maintained by installers licensed by the Private Security Authority, which complies with I.S. EN 50131 or an equivalent standard approved by the Commissioner of the Garda Síochána.The alarm shall be connected to a monitoring service, operated by a person licensed by the Private Security Authority, and supported with GSM Mobile telephone service back up signalling facilities.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,712 ✭✭✭ Rows Grower


    Thanks for that Uinseann, I get bamboozled with rules and regulations but I knew someone here would put me right.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,334 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    Im quite confident i know who you're talking about and would recommend him 100% if its who i think it is

    If it is the same fellah I'm also thinking of.I'd concur! He knows his ARs 100%
    That idea of building one here is good too, but as said not cheap...
    But then again nothing with semi auto sporting rifles is cheap here.:)
    You'd be in a VERY exclusive minority shooting sport segment as well here.:).

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭ tudderone


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    If it is the same fellah I'm also thinking of.I'd concur! He knows his ARs 100%
    That idea of building one here is good too, but as said not cheap...
    But then again nothing with semi auto sporting rifles is cheap here.:)
    You'd be in a VERY exclusive minority shooting sport segment as well here.:).

    Seeing as most of the firearms we shoot are American, and most of what the Americans shoot are semi-autos, then, using economies of scale, semi-auto rifles should be as cheap as chips. Things like the Ruger mini-14s, various ar's, etc etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,334 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    For the lads asking about security SI/307 dictates Minimum Storage requirements
    I personally have been forced to go above and beyond by my super to a ridiculous point and yes they have the power to do that even if you have one gun the SI only sets out a minimum theres lads with CF pistols who have basically got bank level strong rooms to keep them
    Also CPO visits arnt being done in certain districts keep that in min
    d

    Remember too,that if it gets to the "Moats,with sharks,with head mounted lazer beams!" type of demands for security.Or the CS starts chnging demands on stuff that you have installed to meet the standards set out ,you can also appeal that on the grounds of "vexatious and unreasonable demands on security" .EG a monitored alarm company it must be a recognised and liscensed by the Private Security Association monitored alarm company[which all of the must be by law these days].But the Cheif cant specify which one you must use! [IE the one his drinking pal is running!] Or demanding that you instal CCTV in every room of your house etc.

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭ tudderone


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    d

    Remember too,that if it gets to the "Moats,with sharks,with head mounted lazer beams!" type of demands for security.Or the CS starts chnging demands on stuff that you have installed to meet the standards set out ,you can also appeal that on the grounds of "vexatious and unreasonable demands on security" .EG a monitored alarm company it must be a recognised and liscensed by the Private Security Association monitored alarm company[which all of the must be by law these days].But the Cheif cant specify which one you must use! [IE the one his drinking pal is running!] Or demanding that you instal CCTV etc.

    The best security is discretion. Letting no one outside your immediate family know what you have. But i've seen the eejits strolling in and out going to the car with a case covered in Beretta or Remington stickers, cartridge belt on etc. None of my neighbours know what i have in the house, and thats the way i like it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,334 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    tudderone wrote: »
    Seeing as most of the firearms we shoot are American, and most of what the Americans shoot are semi-autos, then, using economies of scale, semi-auto rifles should be as cheap as chips. Things like the Ruger mini-14s, various ar's, etc etc.

    In theory ... But because they are US IMPORTS they are subject to import duty into the EU at landfall country[IE Germany as most of the EU distributors for US firearms seem to be there],VAT and some other EU taxes,proably luxury goods tax or the like.So by the time your lowly Aero Precision,DPMS or Windham is in here it has breached the 1000 euro mark already.God knows what you are paying for Noveske,HK,Knights Armament, or what the Americans rate as top gunrack firearms.[Yes,AR snobbery is a thing over there!:eek:]

    So by the time you have added the whole saler costs and profit,the dealer costs and profit its climbing into 2k terrority,with a somewhat sketchy dealership and warranty.So you might as well start looking at Oberland,Schmeisser[the top notch IMO of European ARs] Hanel,SIG etc,and get a virtual custom gun for 500 euros more.

    Your only other choice is get a Brownells Germany DPMS,stripped upper and lower with barrel and gasblock installed,and build your own gun around it.You could proably put a decent AR together for about 1600.

    Rugers arent very cheap anymore in the US either.List price for a Ruger mini14 ranch is 1069 USD on the Ruger site.

    As well as that ,remember you are running the risk here of losing it should the liscensing be revoked on any ones issued post 2017 here.We have no idea how,where,when that revocation order might be applied,so do you want to risk losing an investment grade rifle with little or zero chance of being compensated by the state for it?As apprently according to politicans and the HC judge in the O Doherty/Waters appeal.Our constitutional rights in the constitution of Ireland are not absolute rights!! IOW we havea bunch of permissions that can be revoked at any time in this country.:mad::mad::mad:

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭✭✭ rifle23141124


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    In theory ... But because they are US IMPORTS they are subject to import duty into the EU at landfall country[IE Germany as most of the EU distributors for US firearms seem to be there],VAT and some other EU taxes,proably luxury goods tax or the like.So by the time your lowly Aero Precision,DPMS or Windham is in here it has breached the 1000 euro mark already.God knows what you are paying for Noveske,HK,Knights Armament, or what the Americans rate as top gunrack firearms.[Yes,AR snobbery is a thing over there!:eek:]

    So by the time you have added the whole saler costs and profit,the dealer costs and profit its climbing into 2k terrority,with a somewhat sketchy dealership and warranty.So you might as well start looking at Oberland,Schmeisser[the top notch IMO of European ARs] Hanel,SIG etc,and get a virtual custom gun for 500 euros more.

    Your only other choice is get a Brownells Germany DPMS,stripped upper and lower with barrel and gasblock installed,and build your own gun around it.You could proably put a decent AR together for about 1600.

    Rugers arent very cheap anymore in the US either.List price for a Ruger mini14 ranch is 1069 USD on the Ruger site.

    As well as that ,remember you are running the risk here of losing it should the liscensing be revoked on any ones issued post 2017 here.We have no idea how,where,when that revocation order might be applied,so do you want to risk losing an investment grade rifle with little or zero chance of being compensated by the state for it?As apprently according to politicans and the HC judge in the O Doherty/Waters appeal.Our constitutional rights in the constitution of Ireland are not absolute rights!! IOW we havea bunch of permissions that can be revoked at any time in this country.:mad::mad::mad:


    Hi Grizzly,

    What do you mean on that last paragraph? Is that related to semi autos or all firearms , any links?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭ tudderone


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    In theory ... But because they are US IMPORTS they are subject to import duty into the EU at landfall country[IE Germany as most of the EU distributors for US firearms seem to be there],VAT and some other EU taxes,proably luxury goods tax or the like.So by the time your lowly Aero Precision,DPMS or Windham is in here it has breached the 1000 euro mark already.God knows what you are paying for Noveske,HK,Knights Armament, or what the Americans rate as top gunrack firearms.[Yes,AR snobbery is a thing over there!:eek:]

    So by the time you have added the whole saler costs and profit,the dealer costs and profit its climbing into 2k terrority,with a somewhat sketchy dealership and warranty.So you might as well start looking at Oberland,Schmeisser[the top notch IMO of European ARs] Hanel,SIG etc,and get a virtual custom gun for 500 euros more.

    Your only other choice is get a Brownells Germany DPMS,stripped upper and lower with barrel and gasblock installed,and build your own gun around it.You could proably put a decent AR together for about 1600.

    Rugers arent very cheap anymore in the US either.List price for a Ruger mini14 ranch is 1069 USD on the Ruger site.

    As well as that ,remember you are running the risk here of losing it should the liscensing be revoked on any ones issued post 2017 here.We have no idea how,where,when that revocation order might be applied,so do you want to risk losing an investment grade rifle with little or zero chance of being compensated by the state for it?As apprently according to politicans and the HC judge in the O Doherty/Waters appeal.Our constitutional rights in the constitution of Ireland are not absolute rights!! IOW we havea bunch of permissions that can be revoked at any time in this country.:mad::mad::mad:


    There is a serious risk approaching at a rate of knots, and thats that Green band of wallys getting their feet under the top table here more than likely. So a mass shooting in America and they will jump on their soap box and we're done. That IS a serious concern to me.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 699 ✭✭✭ Uinseann_16


    Hi Grizzly,

    What do you mean on that last paragraph? Is that related to semi autos or all firearms , any links?

    All centrefire semi auto rifles licenced from 2017 can be revoked without compensation:pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,334 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    tudderone wrote: »
    There is a serious risk approaching at a rate of knots, and thats that Green band of wallys getting their feet under the top table here more than likely. So a mass shooting in America and they will jump on their soap box and we're done. That IS a serious concern to me.

    We already had a fore taste of that with the Green surfer chick and "survivor"of the rainbow warrior sinking in NZ Grace O Sullivan ,when the Christchurch massacre happened,and some Fianna Failure TD trying to jump on the Assault rifle ban bandwagon as well.

    So dont trust ANY of them!
    FG started out well and have made complete dogs dinners of any firearms legislation since they have got into power in recent history.

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭ otmmyboy2


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    They'll have a job with that. We have been there,done that,bought the Tshirt stand with semi autos on this looks like malarkey.it falls flat on 2 points. FORM does not dictate FUNCTION,and define in Irish legislation what an "assault rifle" actually is.
    As these rifles were never in any shape an "assault rifle",or even look like one,as one could argue Rugers new target rifle [the XC somthing or other] also looks like an "assault rifle " too,and there is no law here what "bits" you can or cant have on a bolt action ,I'd say go for it and apply for it as a bolt action,which is what it is.


    Hey Grizzly would you have a link to the case/decision regarding form and function?
    Im thinking about tilting at the windmill over a 15-22 or a STG-44 22 GSG clone and could use every argument possible, since they are functionally no different to 10/22s.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,334 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    otmmyboy2 wrote: »
    Hey Grizzly would you have a link to the case/decision regarding form and function?
    Im thinking about tilting at the windmill over a 15-22 or a STG-44 22 GSG clone and could use every argument possible, since they are functionally no different to 10/22s.

    Sure,just tell your super to enquire off Inspetor Paul Green,(then Sgt Paul Green) now head of the FPU in Garda HQ of any and all district court cases he was involved in the Limerick dist courts between 2009 to 14.The form Vs function and definition played a pivotal role as well as disiplines shot.
    I can PM you my case name if you want ?
    However they were for restricted centrefire semi autos and cf handguns.Your Super might say that why do you need a.22 AR lookalike when a wood stocked .22 SA would do the job just as well?
    Just one to keep in mind.

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭ tudderone


    I have seen people in the club shooting the .22lr ar/ak clones and they had zero trouble licencing them. They are a .22 semi, the same as the 10/22. When applying you put down make, type and calibre, i don't think they are too bothered what they look like. But you will always get one that wants to be awkward for the sake of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭ otmmyboy2


    tudderone wrote: »
    I have seen people in the club shooting the .22lr ar/ak clones and they had zero trouble licencing them. They are a .22 semi, the same as the 10/22. When applying you put down make, type and calibre, i don't think they are too bothered what they look like. But you will always get one that wants to be awkward for the sake of it.

    Unfortunately I have heard of exact models and in some cases photos being asked for in relation to the application so that the super can decide whether it is restricted or not, with the 10/22 specifically being mentioned.

    Of course that differs by licencing districts because of fiefdoms, but that's another argument ;)

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,184 ✭✭✭✭ BattleCorp


    tudderone wrote: »
    I have seen people in the club shooting the .22lr ar/ak clones and they had zero trouble licencing them. They are a .22 semi, the same as the 10/22. When applying you put down make, type and calibre, i don't think they are too bothered what they look like. But you will always get one that wants to be awkward for the sake of it.

    Just because you got a licence for it doesn't mean that you have the correct licence for it.

    And the buck will stop with the gun owner if they have the wrong sort of licence.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭ tudderone


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Just because you got a licence for it doesn't mean that you have the correct licence for it.

    And the buck will stop with the gun owner if they have the wrong sort of licence.

    The super was a member of the club, he knew what people were shooting. They were .22 semi-autos, no different to the ruger 10/22 or any number of different blue steel and walnut .22 semi-autos.

    I can go to a shop near me and buy a non firing replica of an ak47 or ar15, they look exactly like the real thing and are completely harmless, their appearance doesn't make them dangerous.

    The only issue i can see is if one of these military styled rifles were bullpups, like a Tavor or steyr AUG.


  • Registered Users Posts: 441 ✭✭ jb88


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    In theory ... But because they are US IMPORTS they are subject to import duty into the EU at landfall country[IE Germany as most of the EU distributors for US firearms seem to be there],VAT and some other EU taxes,proably luxury goods tax or the like.So by the time your lowly Aero Precision,DPMS or Windham is in here it has breached the 1000 euro mark already.God knows what you are paying for Noveske,HK,Knights Armament, or what the Americans rate as top gunrack firearms.[Yes,AR snobbery is a thing over there!:eek:]

    So by the time you have added the whole saler costs and profit,the dealer costs and profit its climbing into 2k terrority,with a somewhat sketchy dealership and warranty.So you might as well start looking at Oberland,Schmeisser[the top notch IMO of European ARs] Hanel,SIG etc,and get a virtual custom gun for 500 euros more.

    Your only other choice is get a Brownells Germany DPMS,stripped upper and lower with barrel and gasblock installed,and build your own gun around it.You could proably put a decent AR together for about 1600.

    Rugers arent very cheap anymore in the US either.List price for a Ruger mini14 ranch is 1069 USD on the Ruger site.

    As well as that ,remember you are running the risk here of losing it should the liscensing be revoked on any ones issued post 2017 here.We have no idea how,where,when that revocation order might be applied,so do you want to risk losing an investment grade rifle with little or zero chance of being compensated by the state for it?As apprently according to politicans and the HC judge in the O Doherty/Waters appeal.Our constitutional rights in the constitution of Ireland are not absolute rights!! IOW we havea bunch of permissions that can be revoked at any time in this country.:mad::mad::mad:

    If your worried about losing something you don't have then that's a problem, I for one will be making a legal challenge and it wont be on the basis of entitlement, nor anything to do with the constitution. I wont be alone :-)


    if licences are recinded I will want compensation,and anything else is theft

    Get an AR if you want one and shoot it on the range as often as you can.

    Way too much scaremongering on this forum about what might happen, not the first nor second time ive mentioned this over the years.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 441 ✭✭ jb88


    tudderone wrote: »
    The super was a member of the club, he knew what people were shooting. They were .22 semi-autos, no different to the ruger 10/22 or any number of different blue steel and walnut .22 semi-autos.

    I can go to a shop near me and buy a non firing replica of an ak47 or ar15, they look exactly like the real thing and are completely harmless, their appearance doesn't make them dangerous.

    The only issue i can see is if one of these military styled rifles were bullpups, like a Tavor or steyr AUG.

    You can get a licence for a "Steyr AUG", I know a lad with two for sale. There is no issue with this except in peoples heads. Its actually got a longer barrel than most AR's


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