Most cars are now on the CO2 tax system

hoodie6029

Not really surprising since we are 12 years into the 'New' system.

Some stats out from the Department of Transport today for anyone interested.

2,174,779 private cars registered
1,583,441 are on the CO2 system


Some other interesting stats.
Only 7 Rolls-Royces registered but 51 Infinitis
Still 11 Protons on the road

Maybe I read page 5 of the report wrong but it looks like there are 9 cars greater than 3L that are in Tax Category A1??

Loads of other stats in for anyone whose interested

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/0f943b-irish-bulletin-of-vehicle-and-driver-statistics-2019/

colm_mcm

Wow. Since 2017 we now have imported 67% of the 2008 diesel Ford Focuss sold in the UK.

KaneToad

A change to a more punitive system would seem likely.

Eric Cartman

hoodie6029 wrote: »

Not really surprising since we are 12 years into the 'New' system.

Some stats out from the Department of Transport today for anyone interested.

2,174,779 private cars registered
1,583,441 are on the CO2 system


Some other interesting stats.
Only 7 Rolls-Royces registered but 51 Infinitis
Still 11 Protons on the road

Maybe I read page 5 of the report wrong but it looks like there are 9 cars greater than 3L that are in Tax Category A1??

Loads of other stats in for anyone whose interested

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/0f943b-irish-bulletin-of-vehicle-and-driver-statistics-2019/

Lexus hybrids.

BrianD3

Another illustration of how far Fiat has declined in the Irish market - 20k Fiats on our roads vs 96k BMWs and even Vauxhall (a brand which hasn't sold new cars here for decades) has 32k.

It might be interesting to look at the proportion of each brand in each county. E.g. Galway City/County has a higher population than Co. Kildare yet Kildare has nearly double the amount of Renaults - possibly influenced by the presence of a long established Renault dealership in Naas?

colm_mcm

There are feck all Fiat dealers left and the only car they have that people might buy is the 500 which is out since 2007.

A good dealer can make a huge difference to numbers in a county.

BrianD3

colm_mcm wrote: »

A good dealer can make a huge difference to numbers in a county.

Looks like Co. Offaly has way more Citroens than it should have for its size - due to Freddie Vaugh and/or Hugo Loonam dealerships? I have heard good things about Freddie Vaugh.

hoodie6029

Page 18 and 19 are interesting too. Goods vehicles by Brand. 1600 odd BMWs, I presume they are X5 conversions.

But there are other random brands there that I can't even think would have a vehicle this is suitable to be converted - Chevrolet, Chrysler, Mazda and Rover?? 692 Commercial Rovers?

Could still be some Montego vans knocking around and Range Rovers are more than likely covered under Land Rover brand

Dravokivich

There's 3 vintage electric cars. What was there pre 1990?

Eric Cartman

hoodie6029 wrote: »

Page 18 and 19 are interesting too. Goods vehicles by Brand. 1600 odd BMWs, I presume they are X5 conversions.

But there are other random brands there that I can't even think would have a vehicle this is suitable to be converted - Chevrolet, Chrysler, Mazda and Rover?? 692 Commercial Rovers?

Could still be some Montego vans knocking around and Range Rovers are more than likely covered under Land Rover brand

I would say every commercial ‘rover’ is a discovery or range rover or defender, 692 sounds low for that though. Theres atleast 3 commercially registered land rovers in my estate alone

hoodie6029

Could be mostly Discoveries and Range Rovers that should have been registered under Land Rover. I was just in horror at the thought of that many Montegos still in existence...

Tij da feen

There's 63 Diesel motorcycles registered. I'm kind of curious about that one

zilog_jones

65 Kubota "private cars"?? Also a few Ivecos and LDV/DAFs - I wonder are these are buses/vans which have been taxed as private vehicles for whatever reason? Kubota makes the least sense though as there's separate classifications for excavators, etc.

I've seen a Holden ute around Cork city.

Marcusm

zilog_jones wrote: »

65 Kubota "private cars"?? Also a few Ivecos and LDV/DAFs - I wonder are these are buses/vans which have been taxed as private vehicles for whatever reason? Kubota makes the least sense though as there's separate classifications for excavators, etc.

I've seen a Holden ute around Cork city.

Was that a Maloo with a. 6.2 v8 engine?

Del2005

zilog_jones wrote: »

65 Kubota "private cars"?? Also a few Ivecos and LDV/DAFs - I wonder are these are buses/vans which have been taxed as private vehicles for whatever reason? Kubota makes the least sense though as there's separate classifications for excavators, etc.

I've seen a Holden ute around Cork city.

I saw a side by side ATV the other day with a 191 plate could have been a Kubota but don't remember.

https://kubota.ca/en/kubota-rtv/rtvlanding#features

Philb76

hoodie6029 wrote: »

Page 18 and 19 are interesting too. Goods vehicles by Brand. 1600 odd BMWs, I presume they are X5 conversions.

But there are other random brands there that I can't even think would have a vehicle this is suitable to be converted - Chevrolet, Chrysler, Mazda and Rover?? 692 Commercial Rovers?

Could still be some Montego vans knocking around and Range Rovers are more than likely covered under Land Rover brand

Rover 200 van there's one beside my job in everyday use

zilog_jones

Dravokivich wrote: »

There's 3 vintage electric cars. What was there pre 1990?

Recent conversions, I'd imagine. Or preserved milk floats!

Marcusm wrote: »

Was that a Maloo with a. 6.2 v8 engine?

VE Omega I think, "only" a V6

Atlantic Dawn

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Lexus hybrids.

Porsche Cayenne e-Hybrid me thinks 79 g/kg, Lexus 3 litre hybrids would be 130 g/kg plus...https://www.cargiant.co.uk/car/porsche/cayenne/MW15HFD

zg3409

Dravokivich wrote: »

There's 3 vintage electric cars. What was there pre 1990?

There is one zv irish registered bmw converted in wales by electric classic cars
https://m.facebook.com/electricclassiccars/photos/a.1869193583404805/2648499525474203/?type=3&source=48

The welsh crowd are linked to Enniskerry crowd
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/irish-start-up-converting-classics-into-electric-supercars-1.3856975%3fmode=amp

There is a guy in Gorey who converted a few old bmw to EV . He has a YouTube channel

https://www.evbmw.com/

He runs courses on DIY conversions.

Filmer Paradise

Great info there OP.

fancy pigeon

Hooray! I make one of the 6 unspecified makes in Meath with my Land Rover FFR! And one of the 33 International tractors too


Apart from a 2007 407 all my stuff is 2003 and before... 12 vehicles

hoodie6029

Filmer Paradise wrote: »

Great info there OP.

Came across it a few years ago when looking for some stats in work. Heard the news last week and it reminded me of it.

I think you have to look at it a few times see all the different items.

The Porsche Cayennes in tax category A1 was an eye opener for me! We will see more of this in the next few years as manufacturers moved to Hybrid to meet their fleet emissions requirements.

That there is over 100,000 left cars registered between 1990 and 2003 is a surprise too. It's rare around me in Dublin to see anything older than 2006.

CrabRevolution

fancy pigeon wrote: »

Hooray! I make one of the 6 unspecified makes in Meath with my Land Rover FFR! And one of the 33 International tractors too

Apart from a 2007 407 all my stuff is 2003 and before... 12 vehicles

A friend had a Universal tractor written off a short while ago. According to the stats it must have been the last one in Meath!

CoBo55

CrabRevolution wrote: »

A friend had a Universal tractor written off a short while ago. According to the stats it must have been the last one in Meath!

They were one rough dog of a tractor... I worked on one with a mechanic on my first summer job, he hated them with a passion..

Paulownia

hoodie6029 wrote: »

Not really surprising since we are 12 years into the 'New' system.

Some stats out from the Department of Transport today for anyone interested.

2,174,779 private cars registered
1,583,441 are on the CO2 system


Some other interesting stats.
Only 7 Rolls-Royces registered but 51 Infinitis
Still 11 Protons on the road

Maybe I read page 5 of the report wrong but it looks like there are 9 cars greater than 3L that are in Tax Category A1??

Loads of other stats in for anyone whose interested

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/0f943b-irish-bulletin-of-vehicle-and-driver-statistics-2019/

Can I ask what is Infiniti’s? I’m surprised that there are so few Rolls with all the vintage ones and the funeral undertaking ones. Our local undertaker has 2 alone

hoodie6029

Paulownia wrote: »

Can I ask what is Infiniti’s? I’m surprised that there are so few Rolls with all the vintage ones and the funeral undertaking ones. Our local undertaker has 2 alone

They are a brand of Honda not sold here. Sold in the UK though. https://www.infiniti.co.uk/

I'd say a lot of the Rollers are over 30 so included in the vintage figures. And a lot would be taxed and used as limousines.

amen

hoodie6029 wrote: »

That there is over 100,000 left cars registered between 1990 and 2003 is a surprise too. It's rare around me in Dublin to see anything older than 2006.

I have a 2002 Reg Car. only 80,000 miles on the clock. Its Driven by my OH every day.

hoodie6029

I'm driving a 2006 and have no intention of getting rid of it. The older stuff is just getting less common. The insurance hikes on older stuff a few years ago wiped out a lot of them I think.

zilog_jones

hoodie6029 wrote: »

They are a brand of Honda not sold here. Sold in the UK though. https://www.infiniti.co.uk/

Infiniti is Nissan, not Honda.

Acura is Honda's premium brand, only in North America.

RandomViewer

hoodie6029 wrote: »

Page 18 and 19 are interesting too. Goods vehicles by Brand. 1600 odd BMWs, I presume they are X5 conversions.

But there are other random brands there that I can't even think would have a vehicle this is suitable to be converted - Chevrolet, Chrysler, Mazda and Rover?? 692 Commercial Rovers?

Could still be some Montego vans knocking around and Range Rovers are more than likely covered under Land Rover brand

Was a van version of the 200 hatchback, Freelander could be going down as rover on tax book as well,

RandomViewer

CoBo55 wrote: »

They were one rough dog of a tractor... I worked on one with a mechanic on my first summer job, he hated them with a passion..

Romanian built Fiat, would expect build quality to be on par with a 1990 Dacia

hoodie6029

zilog_jones wrote: »

Infiniti is Nissan, not Honda.

Acura is Honda's premium brand, only in North America.

RandomViewer

BrianD3 wrote: »

Another illustration of how far Fiat has declined in the Irish market - 20k Fiats on our roads vs 96k BMWs and even Vauxhall (a brand which hasn't sold new cars here for decades) has 32k.

It might be interesting to look at the proportion of each brand in each county. E.g. Galway City/County has a higher population than Co. Kildare yet Kildare has nearly double the amount of Renaults - possibly influenced by the presence of a long established Renault dealership in Naas?

Lots of fleet Insignias brought in 2011 to 2015, mid size Vauxhalls always outnumbered Opels up here. Think it came from the time of the 88 to 95 Cavalier, the only Opel version seemed to be the 1.6 base model, there were some brilliant Vauxhall versions

CoBo55

RandomViewer wrote: »

Romanian built Fiat, would expect build quality to be on par with a 1990 Dacia

Eugenes description was slightly more colourful :pac:

RandomViewer

Paulownia wrote: »

Can I ask what is Infiniti’s? I’m surprised that there are so few Rolls with all the vintage ones and the funeral undertaking ones. Our local undertaker has 2 alone

They are most likely Austin Princess' , built up to the mid nineties,

Eric Cartman

RandomViewer wrote: »

Romanian built Fiat, would expect build quality to be on par with a 1990 Dacia

you don't have to specify the year, things are not better.

RandomViewer

amen wrote: »

I have a 2002 Reg Car. only 80,000 miles on the clock. Its Driven by my OH every day.

Still a fair few Corollas and Starlets, 93 to 03 Micra still common, assorted Hondas and Mitsubishis , lots of Golfs and Passats, Kangoo seems to be the only Renault to survive past 10 or 11

RandomViewer

Eric Cartman wrote: »

you don't have to specify the year, things are not better.

Have you ever seen one? 4 wheel drive with 3 stud wheels, chassis welding that wouldn't have looked out of place on FAS night class,

Eric Cartman

RandomViewer wrote: »

Have you ever seen one? 4 wheel drive with 3 stud wheels, chassis welding that wouldn't have looked out of place on FAS night class,

I was in a dacia 1320 on a snowy mountain road outside vatra dornei, at points I considered walking on the highway, on foot, in the dark, at -8 degrees to be marginally safer than remaining in the dacia. I still think the build quality of the modern dacia lineup and how they crumple in a crash makes 80s German cars a much safer place to be.

BrianD3

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I still think the build quality of the modern dacia lineup and how they crumple in a crash makes 80s German cars a much safer place to be.

Build quality of the modern Dacia lineup is fine, naturally there is evidence of cost cutting - for instance I had a 2020 Logan MCV recently and it had no engine temperature gauge, plastics were hard but it was well built all the same. They do appear to crumple more than other modern cars in crash tests. Still considerably safer than any 1980s German car with the possible exception of a G Wagen or an airbagged W126.

RandomViewer

BrianD3 wrote: »

Build quality of the modern Dacia lineup is fine, naturally there is evidence of cost cutting - for instance I had a 2020 Logan MCV recently and it had no engine temperature gauge, plastics were hard but it was well built all the same. They do appear to crumple more than other modern cars in crash tests. Still considerably safer than any 1980s German car with the possible exception of a G Wagen or an airbagged W126.

Mark 1 golf was a strong car, Merc 200 ,Volvo 340,

colm_mcm

RandomViewer wrote: »

Have you ever seen one? 4 wheel drive with 3 stud wheels, chassis welding that wouldn't have looked out of place on FAS night class,

They were very very cheap though.

Eric Cartman

BrianD3 wrote: »

Build quality of the modern Dacia lineup is fine, naturally there is evidence of cost cutting - for instance I had a 2020 Logan MCV recently and it had no engine temperature gauge, plastics were hard but it was well built all the same. They do appear to crumple more than other modern cars in crash tests. Still considerably safer than any 1980s German car with the possible exception of a G Wagen or an airbagged W126.

that was kind of my point. Dacias were horrific in the 80s but so were other cars, they may have come on leaps and bounds but still leaps and bounds behind the competition. the W126 was exactly what I was thinking, I would absolutely prefer to be hit in a 1984 500 SEL than a brand new sandero.

colm_mcm

BrianD3 wrote: »

Build quality of the modern Dacia lineup is fine, naturally there is evidence of cost cutting - for instance I had a 2020 Logan MCV recently and it had no engine temperature gauge, plastics were hard but it was well built all the same. They do appear to crumple more than other modern cars in crash tests. Still considerably safer than any 1980s German car with the possible exception of a G Wagen or an airbagged W126.

Does a modern car really need an engine temperature gauge though? I don’t think it does. Certainly it needs a warning if the temperature is too high, which the Dacia has.

The likes of a Yaris never had one either.

joeysoap

Nearly 80,000 licences in Louth, and no ndls office. (The one in drogheda is well into co Meath).

CoBo55

colm_mcm wrote: »

Does a modern car really need an engine temperature gauge though? I don’t think it does. Certainly it needs a warning if the temperature is too high, which the Dacia has.

The likes of a Yaris never had one either.

I don't think I've ever driven a car that didn't have one...

hibble

Tij da feen wrote: »

There's 63 Diesel motorcycles registered. I'm kind of curious about that one

Enfield (India) used to do a diesel.

colm_mcm

Aren’t some of those Axiom microcars classed as motorcycles? Think they’re 600cc diesel

username?!

I'm one of the 803 paying 2350 tax

galwaytt

hoodie6029 wrote: »

That there is over 100,000 left cars registered between 1990 and 2003 is a surprise too. It's rare around me in Dublin to see anything older than 2006.

Not around me: my house has: '90, '00, '03, '06 and '12. And of all those most likely to be changed - it's the '12. The others are perfect, apart from the motor tax :mad: there's no valid reason to change them.

chalky_ie

username?! wrote: »

I'm one of the 803 paying 2350 tax

I hope it's worth it!