does Ireland have a growing underclass?

Dickie10

just went out to the kitchen to make a cuppa and walked in on a show that shows people watching TV, anyway to cut to the chase they were watching that god awful stuff "dont tell the bride" voiced over by a chap that sounds like a hoarse nicky byrne. the people on it had about as much class as i dont know what , awful language out of them watching the show as well. just simply very low level entertainment, the langauge was not good though even if its 10:30 pm. basically they just all seemed very common. i got to thinking, are we gaining a bigger underclass in ireland. this sort of vulgar cohort of society were usually just found in England once upon a time. seem to be very common these days.

Leg End Reject

Correct use of uppercase and paragraphs are beyond them too.

Odhinn

Dickie10 wrote: »

just went out to the kitchen to make a cuppa and walked in on a show that shows people watching TV, anyway to cut to the chase they were watching that god awful stuff "dont tell the bride" voiced over by a chap that sounds like a hoarse nicky byrne. the people on it had about as much class as i dont know what , awful language out of them watching the show as well. just simply very low level entertainment, the langauge was not good though even if its 10:30 pm. basically they just all seemed very common. i got to thinking, are we gaining a bigger underclass in ireland. this sort of vulgar cohort of society were usually just found in England once upon a time. seem to be very common these days.

You might give examples of this "awful language".

Dickie10

like curseing

Leg End Reject

Dickie10 wrote: »

like curseing

Cursing? :eek:

Why I never ...

s1ippy

Pre-emptively suggesting this thread be renamed "A Thick C*nt Watched a TV Show about Thick C*nts".

People are just becoming more vulgar in general..

4Ad

tHIS thread is goIng 2 bee Good..

Kylta

Dickie10 wrote: »

just went out to the kitchen to make a cuppa and walked in on a show that shows people watching TV, anyway to cut to the chase they were watching that god awful stuff "dont tell the bride" voiced over by a chap that sounds like a hoarse nicky byrne. the people on it had about as much class as i dont know what , awful language out of them watching the show as well. just simply very low level entertainment, the langauge was not good though even if its 10:30 pm. basically they just all seemed very common. i got to thinking, are we gaining a bigger underclass in ireland. this sort of vulgar cohort of society were usually just found in England once upon a time. seem to be very common these days.

Your remote control is the answer to your issue. Change the channel

Church on Tuesday

Dickie10 wrote: »

just went out to the kitchen to make a cuppa and walked in on a show that shows people watching TV, anyway to cut to the chase they were watching that god awful stuff "dont tell the bride" voiced over by a chap that sounds like a hoarse nicky byrne. the people on it had about as much class as i dont know what , awful language out of them watching the show as well. just simply very low level entertainment, the langauge was not good though even if its 10:30 pm. basically they just all seemed very common. i got to thinking, are we gaining a bigger underclass in ireland. this sort of vulgar cohort of society were usually just found in England once upon a time. seem to be very common these days.

Please, PLEASE open the pubs.

RandomViewer

Dickie10 wrote: »

just went out to the kitchen to make a cuppa and walked in on a show that shows people watching TV, anyway to cut to the chase they were watching that god awful stuff "dont tell the bride" voiced over by a chap that sounds like a hoarse nicky byrne. the people on it had about as much class as i dont know what , awful language out of them watching the show as well. just simply very low level entertainment, the langauge was not good though even if its 10:30 pm. basically they just all seemed very common. i got to thinking, are we gaining a bigger underclass in ireland. this sort of vulgar cohort of society were usually just found in England once upon a time. seem to be very common these days.

The only people who appear on these shows are "look at me" types, you'll actually notice the same ones showing up on different things,this shyte,FirstDates Ireland, random Virgin123 shows, playing to the camera's is all they know, copying crap UK shows is cheaper than developing new ones.

Chris_Heilong

Dickie10 wrote: »

just went out to the kitchen to make a cuppa and walked in on a show that shows people watching TV, anyway to cut to the chase they were watching that god awful stuff "dont tell the bride" voiced over by a chap that sounds like a hoarse nicky byrne. the people on it had about as much class as i dont know what , awful language out of them watching the show as well. just simply very low level entertainment, the langauge was not good though even if its 10:30 pm. basically they just all seemed very common. i got to thinking, are we gaining a bigger underclass in ireland. this sort of vulgar cohort of society were usually just found in England once upon a time. seem to be very common these days.

The Irish were always an underclass to the British Empire, I hate to tell it to you but any class system we have today is self created and fake and unless you come from a line of British land owners you are just a few generations away from a farmer.

nthclare

I can't handle any more scandal on board's every time I come in I end up having a rant that could take me anywhere, I mean there's no limit to what I could say in a response..

But I am resisting this one, it's killing me inside not to go down the rabbit hole...

Will I, no I can't do it..

Need to call a friend..

con___manx1

Dickie10 wrote: »

just went out to the kitchen to make a cuppa and walked in on a show that shows people watching TV, anyway to cut to the chase they were watching that god awful stuff "dont tell the bride" voiced over by a chap that sounds like a hoarse nicky byrne. the people on it had about as much class as i dont know what , awful language out of them watching the show as well. just simply very low level entertainment, the langauge was not good though even if its 10:30 pm. basically they just all seemed very common. i got to thinking, are we gaining a bigger underclass in ireland. this sort of vulgar cohort of society were usually just found in England once upon a time. seem to be very common these days.

Just because they use bad language doesn't mean they are a lower class. My doctor for instance every second word out of his mouth is ****. He also drinks alot and smokes. If your down the pub you would never think he was a doctor.

nthclare

con___manx1 wrote: »

Just because they use bad language doesn't mean they are a lower class. My doctor for instance every second word out of his mouth is ****. He also drinks alot and smokes. If your down the pub you would never think he was a doctor.

Reminds me of my dad bringing me fishing with his mates, it was like a new phase in my life, I joined in and he said not in front of my mother...I was 13, but getting the right to be a curser by my dad was e new relationship between us, we often have **** chat's, bastard this bastard that, he's a ****er, she's a bitch I grew up like that, shower or wapskallions we were ****ing this **** that...

I find it's the middle classes and new wave new money who frown on cussing, the working class and upper classes love a good old ****, bastard,wanker, prick,****off, **** you it's ****ing endless...

I'm ****ed after that

Richard Hillman

The underclass has been there a long time but the whole "salt of the earth" type character tends to be celebrated by certain media outlets.

Whilst a lot of people enjoyed them, I think Roddy Doyles Barrytown series in the long term has played a very negative role in Irish society. A lot of talking heads and social commentors would have said that the Barrytown Series made people proud of where they are from and how they speak. In the short to medium term thats generally good BUT, and it's a massive but, people from certain type of areas get boxed in to a persona that revolves around the character of the area. And that is a very bad thing.

Other TV shows like Shameless, again lauded at first but in reality the characters are absolute vermin. They are locked into the areas character. This is where we are from and this is how people from here act.

As somebody who comes from a working class area which is turning into more of a welfare class area, I grew up in a culture where people celebrated how "mad" their estate is. It was almost a competition to see who's area is the kippiest. It's a race to the bottom and nobody wins from it.

A dose of light snobbishness isnt the worst thing in the world. People should be trying to go upwards not downwards

pgj2015

wannabe knackers are common enough as well. you even find it with people from respectable family's, parents who did their best for their kids but the result can be a son or daughter who wont work, takes drugs, deals drugs, steals from their own family, gets into trouble with the police, beats their partner,gets involved with a partner who is a scumbag, basically does everything they shouldn't be doing.

it would put you off having kids.

El_Duderino 09

The whole point of those shows is to look.onto someone else's life so you can pick out the ways your life is better then theirs. You chose to look down on their "vulgar" language. Another viewer might have taken the p1ss out of their home decoration style and dress sense. Another viewer would take the p1ss out of their culchie accent or wherever else.

If you have a poorly decorated house or a culchie/regional/working class accent, then you overlook those things and single out the ways in which you feel superior to them. That's the point of the show and you did it.

You're just watching the show correctly.

mr_fegelien

You know what I find interesting is that in the UK and Ireland, there is a strong association between class and accents. In both countries "North" accents are considered lower class as these are the less affluent areas (North Dublin, North of England) whereas the south London and south Dublin accent are considered respectable.

America is totally different in this regard. Sure the Southern/redneck accent can be considered the equivalent of the "chav/knacker" accent but other than that, poor white Americans can speak the exact same way as rich white Americans

freshpopcorn

I'd consider your username vulgar!

sasta le

Big time its a huge elephant in the room

mr_fegelien

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I'd consider your username vulgar!

Are you talking to me?

Eggs For Dinner

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Are you talking to me?

Very unlikely

biko

Sometimes life imitates art TV

LeYouth

I have a growing fungal infection, does that count?

Allinall

Thinly veiled " I've got a TV in my kitchen" brag.

banie01

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Please, PLEASE open the pubs.

Or just stop putting warning labels on stuff...
It will eventually solve this "problem" when they all start making cocktails with the TCP and bleach

banie01

LeYouth wrote: »

I have a growing fungal infection, does that count?

Depends!
Is it on your toes or your junk?

LuasSimon

In modern day Ireland those who never worked a day or very little are having large families paid for by the tax payer...whilst the very same tax payer can only afford to have 1 or 2 children .

The workers of the country are been outbred by the wasters of our land .

EmmetSpiceland

pgj2015 wrote: »

wannabe knackers are common enough as well. you even find it with people from respectable family's, parents who did their best for their kids but the result can be a son or daughter who wont work, takes drugs, deals drugs, steals from their own family, gets into trouble with the police, beats their partner,gets involved with a partner who is a scumbag, basically does everything they shouldn't be doing.

it would put you off having kids.

The guys from Terenure College were like that. Acting all tough, and “hard”, wearing little ronnies and sounding like a Honda 50 taking off when they spoke.

They’d be giving it socks throwing out ‘me ma’ this and ‘giz me 10 spot’ that but when the big new SUV pulled up in front of the school you’d hear ‘bye bye, mummy!’ ring out when they alighted.

As that recent song ‘What School Did You Go To?’ recent lampooned, there was always one, or two, who had an older brother who would act like a complete “toerag”, bullying lads 3, or 4, years younger than him and dealing small amounts of drugs.

Embarrassing stuff really and, of course, they would be looked down on by all the other schools. They’re always referred to as “The Gick”.

pgj2015

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

The guys from Terenure College were like that. Acting all tough, and “hard”, wearing little ronnies and sounding like a Honda 50 taking off when they spoke.

They’d be giving it socks throwing out ‘me ma’ this and ‘giz me 10 spot’ that but when the big new SUV pulled up in front of the school you’d hear ‘bye bye, mummy!’ ring out when they alighted.

As that recent song ‘What School Did You Go To?’ recent lampooned, there was always one, or two, who had an older brother who would act like a complete “toerag”, bullying lads 3, or 4, years younger than him and dealing small amounts of drugs.

Embarrassing stuff really and, of course, they would be looked down on by all the other schools. They’re always referred to as “The Gick”.

I never knew people from posh schools in Dublin did that, that is pathetic, imagine being their parents. It is like tom hanks son who tried to be a gangster rapper even though he grew up up in beverly hills to a millionaire father.

Chris_Heilong

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

The Irish were always an underclass to the British Empire, I hate to tell it to you but any class system we have today is self created and fake and unless you come from a line of British land owners you are just a few generations away from a farmer.

You mean like British farmers with lots of land taken at the point of a knife?

LuasSimon

LuasSimon wrote: »

In modern day Ireland those who never worked a day or very little are having large families paid for by the tax payer...whilst the very same tax payer can only afford to have 1 or 2 children .

The workers of the country are been outbred by the wasters of our land .

True. Only the very rich or the poorest (who are millionaries by previous generations standards yet still bang on about "austerity" while welfare payments were virtually untouched in the previous crisis) can afford children here. Idiocracy is a great film about this.

A rude awakening is coming after the Government runs out of COVID payments and the HSE spends 1 billion in a year JUST on PPE, all while over half the workforce is relying on the government to pay their wages.

pgj2015

Deleted User wrote: »

True. Only the very rich or the poorest (who are millionaries by previous generations standards yet still bang on about "austerity" while welfare payments were virtually untouched in the previous crisis) can afford children here. Idiocracy is a great film about this.

A rude awakening is coming after the Government runs out of COVID payments and the HSE spends 1 billion in a year JUST on PPE, all while over half the workforce is relying on the government to pay their wages.

Not true. look around, there are any amount of middle class people having kids, they might not have 10 but they will have at least 2.

CrankyHaus

I love how the Thread title suggests the OP's concern at growing disadvantage and the plight of this new underclass but when you click on the link to read his post it's just a rant about people like this horrifying the OP, classic Boards.

If you decide to watch Reality TV you're going to get a poor impression of people. Applicants are mainly idiots or otherwise deeply flawed people and the show-runners then further distort this "reality" by picking the more out there types and selecting the footage of them that supports a desired, and fairly basic, narrative. It would get anyone depressed about the prospects of humanity if they watched enough of it, so just don't watch any.

blinding

Irish person works out that not all Irish people are that great !

Other nationalities seem to work this out sooner than some Irish people !

BloodyBill

s1ippy wrote: »

Pre-emptively suggesting this thread be renamed "A Thick C*nt Watched a TV Show about Thick C*nts".

You're part of that underclass with vulgar comments like that .

BloodyBill

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

The Irish were always an underclass to the British Empire, I hate to tell it to you but any class system we have today is self created and fake and unless you come from a line of British land owners you are just a few generations away from a farmer.

Ridiculous comment. The British and the Irish are close to the land. Look at America . Vast majority are only 2 or 3 generations from the land. Half the middle class in Ireland are sons and daughters of strong farmers.

BloodyBill

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The underclass has been there a long time but the whole "salt of the earth" type character tends to be celebrated by certain media outlets.

Whilst a lot of people enjoyed them, I think Roddy Doyles Barrytown series in the long term has played a very negative role in Irish society. A lot of talking heads and social commentors would have said that the Barrytown Series made people proud of where they are from and how they speak. In the short to medium term thats generally good BUT, and it's a massive but, people from certain type of areas get boxed in to a persona that revolves around the character of the area. And that is a very bad thing.

Other TV shows like Shameless, again lauded at first but in reality the characters are absolute vermin. They are locked into the areas character. This is where we are from and this is how people from here act.

As somebody who comes from a working class area which is turning into more of a welfare class area, I grew up in a culture where people celebrated how "mad" their estate is. It was almost a competition to see who's area is the kippiest. It's a race to the bottom and nobody wins from it.

A dose of light snobbishness isnt the worst thing in the world. People should be trying to go upwards not downwards

Best post Iv seen in a while. This celebration of people who draw the dole has to stop.

Montage of Feck

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

The Irish were always an underclass to the British Empire, I hate to tell it to you but any class system we have today is self created and fake and unless you come from a line of British land owners you are just a few generations away from a farmer.

If your a farmer you more than likely own your own land, hardly underclass.

https://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/the-animals-who-prowled-1930s-dublin-26878497.html

ChelseaRentBoy

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The underclass has been there a long time but the whole "salt of the earth" type character tends to be celebrated by certain media outlets.

Whilst a lot of people enjoyed them, I think Roddy Doyles Barrytown series in the long term has played a very negative role in Irish society. A lot of talking heads and social commentors would have said that the Barrytown Series made people proud of where they are from and how they speak. In the short to medium term thats generally good BUT, and it's a massive but, people from certain type of areas get boxed in to a persona that revolves around the character of the area. And that is a very bad thing.

Other TV shows like Shameless, again lauded at first but in reality the characters are absolute vermin. They are locked into the areas character. This is where we are from and this is how people from here act.

As somebody who comes from a working class area which is turning into more of a welfare class area, I grew up in a culture where people celebrated how "mad" their estate is. It was almost a competition to see who's area is the kippiest. It's a race to the bottom and nobody wins from it.

A dose of light snobbishness isnt the worst thing in the world. People should be trying to go upwards not downwards

Being a snob is going downwards.

ChelseaRentBoy

This weeks Boards.ie working/lower class bashing thread is brought to you by....

I think the op point might be, not that Ireland dose not have and always had an excluded disadvantaged class it's just that now, they are apeing what is a chav culture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav

Giraffe Box

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The underclass has been there a long time but the whole "salt of the earth" type character tends to be celebrated by certain media outlets.

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A dose of light snobbishness isnt the worst thing in the world. People should be trying to go upwards not downwards

Is 'snobbishness' ever a good thing?

Anyway, judging by your post, your own particular 'dose' of snobbishness is far from light, it's virulent I'm afraid, and you've got the full-blown disease.
So have a lie-down, try not to be too judgmental, and stop talking through your sphincter.

El_Duderino 09

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The underclass has been there a long time but the whole "salt of the earth" type character tends to be celebrated by certain media outlets. ...

Other TV shows like Shameless, again lauded at first but in reality the characters are absolute vermin. They are locked into the areas character. This is where we are from and this is how people from here act.

As somebody who comes from a working class area which is turning into more of a welfare class area, I grew up in a culture where people celebrated how "mad" their estate is. It was almost a competition to see who's area is the kippiest. It's a race to the bottom and nobody wins from it.

Yeah but i bet you won't like any of the reasons why the benefit class has grown. One reason is that workers rights have actually reseeded for the first time in a long time. Poor people are stuck on minimum wage with no prospect of wage rises in return for working harder or being more productive. If you're a cleaner working for an agency, you cant move up. Moving up doesn't apply to those jobs.

Lots of jobs have moved to faux self employed status. Self employed used to be a badge of honour and now it often just means our boss doesn't have to pay holiday or sick pay.

Benefits will cover the cost of living in a way that working a low paid job, doesn't. Good luck paying rent in Dublin on low wages and buying a house is out of the question, obviously.

If low wages improved, then people would compete for them. At the moment the welfare safety net is actually not much worse than working for a living on low wages. That's not the fault of the safety net. it's the fault of low wages.

mfceiling

pgj2015 wrote: »

Not true. look around, there are any amount of middle class people having kids, they might not have 10 but they will have at least 2.

Thing is they'll stop at 2. They won't continue to keep on having kids because they know that they won't be able to afford any more.

The likes of Margaret Cash didn't stop at 2....why? Knowing that the state will pick up the tab means she could have 5, 6 or 7 kids.
House isn't big enough for the family...keep hounding the state until you get what you want.
The likes of her will never hold down a job because there'll always be kids to mind so she's basically unemployable.
Her kids will look at her not working and that is the example that will be set to them....ie don't work because the state will fund your choice to not to have to work.

Richard Hillman

Richard Hillman wrote: »

As somebody who comes from a working class area which is turning into more of a welfare class area, I grew up in a culture where people celebrated how "mad" their estate is. It was almost a competition to see who's area is the kippiest. It's a race to the bottom and nobody wins from it.

Watching the recent Gardaí documentary “Inside the K” it did make me wonder if the Gardaí were right to partake in a show which emphasises the lawless aspects of these areas...it struck me that such a depiction might only entrench that idea of the area in the minds of others and the people living there themselves? Probably quite a negative thing really.

Mad_maxx

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

The Irish were always an underclass to the British Empire, I hate to tell it to you but any class system we have today is self created and fake and unless you come from a line of British land owners you are just a few generations away from a farmer.

since when were farmers ever viewed as " underclass " ?

sasta le

Look at the lockdown you can see the ignorance of the underclass

Mad_maxx

we live in a culture today where personal responsibility is a dirty word , if someone has a criminal record or even never bothered to get a basic education , the government - state - society is somehow to blame , the left wing media indulge and promote this narrative , furthermore the middle class are expected to sit quiet and keep milking so revenue can be directed towards said underclass

the culture of delinquency which is growing today was more or less absent fifty years ago when people had far less , pride is something the people had back then , even they had little else