Miroku

paulireland

Hi there
Anyone know of a Miroku dealer here in Ireland
Many thanks
Paul

270WIN

irishshootingsports..knocknagoshel co kerry. Liam Walsh

meathstevie

Failing that a Browning dealer should be able to help you as well, Miroku is a horse from the same stable.

paulireland

Many thanks for the info.I am in Wicklow so Kerry is a log way away

paulireland

Is there really such a thing as left and right hand stocks.As you can see I am new to this

tudderone

paulireland wrote: »

Is there really such a thing as left and right hand stocks.As you can see I am new to this

Yes, they are bent slightly off the centreline of the gun so your eye lines up with the barrel rib. I think Ardee sports are the importers of Browning and Miroku here. You could ring them.

paulireland

Thanks tudderone

Rosahane

paulireland wrote: »

Many thanks for the info.I am in Wicklow so Kerry is a log way away

Hilltop in Newtownmountkennedy might be worth a call. He has had Miroku for sale and can probably get one in. Pat is also a good man to advise on gun fit.

paulireland

Thanks for that.I will check it out

paulireland

If you join a Clay club do you still need landowners permission.Also can you import a shotgun from abroad

The pigeon man

paulireland wrote: »

If you join a Clay club do you still need landowners permission.Also can you import a shotgun from abroad

The range membership will get you the license but you should put down a permission and tick the box for hunting if you intend to hunt.

Yes you can import a gun if you are after a particular model.

paulireland

Thank you
I wont be hunting-just clay
Whats the process for importing

slavetothegrind

Paul, paddy carley in wexford would be another good option for you, he has a clay club down there too , Ballyvake CPC

paulireland

Many thanks for that.Contacted him and he is most helpful

paulireland

Hi again all
Just a thought here
If I buy a grade1 and have a grade3/5 stock made will it be cheaper than buying a G5
There seems to be a big price hike between G1 and G5 from suppliers
Many thanks
Paul

tudderone

They are functionally the same gun, the g5 has better graded wood and engraving, but mechanically they are the same. Depends on what you want to do with the gun, hit targets or look at it.

paulireland

Well said
My thinking is this.I am right handed but have to shoot left handed(dont ask)
So if I get a standard gun and a made to measure stock its easier to sell with the standard stock if I change guns
Hope that makes sense

Rosahane

paulireland wrote: »

Well said
My thinking is this.I am right handed but have to shoot left handed(dont ask)
So if I get a standard gun and a made to measure stock its easier to sell with the standard stock if I change guns
Hope that makes sense

You can get them from the factory in left handed - not just the cast of the stock but also the direction of opening of the top lever.

When it comes time to sell - if ever, I think that a true left handed gun would hold its price better because of the scarcity value.

However, if you'e naturally right handed but left master eye the fit of the gun is even more important than normally. You need to consider what barrel length will work best for you - if your 5'6" you will struggle with a 32" gun and would probably be better getting a 28". Similarly with stock length - if your short and plump rather than skinny and gangly you will be better suited with different stock lengths, cast and drop.

Most people can learn to shoot reasonably well at clays with an ill-fitting gun when they can mount the gun and position their head and eye to look correctly along the barrel. However, this won't work with FITASC clay or game shooting where you just mount and shoot and the fit has to be reasonable.

You are always going to shoot better with a gun that is fitted to you especially if you have to shoot of the "wrong" shoulder. However if you are of average height and build a factory stock in left hand is going to be reasonably OK.

In summary, If you can afford it get the gun fitted for you with somebody that knows what they are doing and has a proper try gun to get the measurements correct it's the way to go.

...and the best of luck.

paulireland

Thanks rosahane
Sounds like solid advice
I had a gun permit years ago and shot a .22 so using my left shoulder and trigger with my left hand is fine for me even though I am right handed
I have heard that as I had a permit before(1970s) it will help in getting a new permit now
Good to know the lever is for left hand.I didnt know that
Thanks for the advice

tudderone

paulireland wrote: »

Thanks rosahane
Sounds like solid advice
I had a gun permit years ago and shot a .22 so using my left shoulder and trigger with my left hand is fine for me even though I am right handed
I have heard that as I had a permit before(1970s) it will help in getting a new permit now
Good to know the lever is for left hand.I didnt know that
Thanks for the advice

Problem is though using a rifle and a shotgun are apples and oranges. You can get a crossover stock made, so you can shoot from your right hand side and use your left eye.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mcVFrk7omk

Rosahane

tudderone wrote: »

Problem is though using a rifle and a shotgun are apples and oranges. You can get a crossover stock made, so you can shoot from your right hand side and use your left eye.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mcVFrk7omk

I don't know if crossover stock is an option. It's a lot of work to make one and involves modifications to the action of the gun as well as the stock as you can see in the picture. I've only ever seen one and I'm not sure if anyone makes them anymore. I'd expect to get fitted for one you would have to go to one of the top UK gunsmiths and go for a full custom made gun.

A cross over stock is a beast to use and the felt recoil is huge because of the torquing effect of the recoil not being in the plane of the stock. It's also pretty hard on the cheek if it's mounted even slightly wrong. OK for a bit of game shooting but would be pretty uncomfortable for a few rounds of clays.

I know a good few people who have learned to shoot off the "other" shoulder. My son is left handed and right eyed and he shoots to good effect off his right shoulder both shotgun and rifle. It does take a lot of practice but after a while the muscle memory kicks in and you're fine.

paulireland

Uew that stock looks horrible
I first shot when my dad had a gun when I was around 12 or so so I find using my left shoulder is perfectly natural for me.In fact to use my right shoulder feels wrong.Good news is a left hand gun will be fine for me
I read through the permit form and see you have to buy a gun to apply for a permit
Seems odd.What if you are refused.You would own a gun but couldn't have it
Strange

Rosahane

paulireland wrote: »

Uew that stock looks horrible
I first shot when my dad had a gun when I was around 12 or so so I find using my left shoulder is perfectly natural for me.In fact to use my right shoulder feels wrong.Good news is a left hand gun will be fine for me
I read through the permit form and see you have to buy a gun to apply for a permit
Seems odd.What if you are refused.You would own a gun but couldn't have it
Strange

That's the beauty of our licensing laws. You have to work on the assumption that you won't be refused. Most dealers would have a minimum non refundable deposit of maybe 50 euro on a purchase. However, if they have to bring in a gun from abroad they will probably want full payment in advance. If you don't get the licence then they will try to sell it for you - might take a year or more.

That said, in my opinion a Miroku is one of the best and easiest gun for resale and go for a viewing when possible. If you find it difficult to get a Miroku in the config you want look at a Browning or Beretta.

Also, I presume you know which type of clay gun you are after - there is a big difference between a trap and sporting clay shotgun.

Lastly, it might be worthwhile ringing around the dealers and seeing what they have in left hand, its worthwhile mounting different guns to see the difference between them!

paulireland

Was thinking of trap so the mk38 looked ideal with the fixed chokes
Can it be used for sporting clays
I am a complete novice at clays so forgive the basic questions:D

Rosahane

paulireland wrote: »

Was thinking of trap so the mk38 looked ideal with the fixed chokes
Can it be used for sporting clays
I am a complete novice at clays so forgive the basic questions:D

Broadly speaking, a trap gun is pretty specific to Trap. You can shoot other disciplines with it but you will be fairly handicapped due to the point of Ain and the fixed chokes. You are better to but a 30" Sporter with multi chokes and an adjustable comb which will shoot any discipline.

Rosahane

Since you're in Wicklow head up to Hilltop when it re-opens and have a look at the clay layouts. You can see the difference between the Compact sporting and Ball trap layouts and see the different type of guns. He will have trap and sporting clay guns that you can look at to see the difference. You can even shoot when you're there.

paulireland

Thanks for that.I didn't realize the trap gun had a fixed aim point.
Am also trying to get my head around chokes

paulireland

So either MK38 sport or MK70 sport
What do you think

Rosahane

paulireland wrote: »

So either MK38 sport or MK70 sport
What do you think

I'm not up to date on the current iterations of Miroku. Although I have one in 20G it's for my daughters and I shoot a Browning. It's a lovely gun though.

The older MK38 were fixed choke Trap guns with a high comb. The MK 70 are a bit lighter and have invector chokes. I think you can now get a multi choke MK38.

I think, given what you will be spending, and since it's likely to see you out you should visit dealers and look at the guns. Mount and swing them, see how the different models and barrel lengths feel. Given that they will be RH your eye won't fall naturally but, you may find that the stock on some (like the Brownings from the same stable) is virtually straight.

Also get advice from the people you shoot with and in your club. Some are sure to have Mirokus. It's worthwhile also to seek out left hand Brownings and Berettas and see how they feel.

That said, If I was getting one it would be the MK70

paulireland

Sound advice
I did a bit of checking and the MK38 has a multichoke version now
I am not in a club yet but will check out when they re open
The MK38 and MK70 look very similar on paper

Rosahane

paulireland wrote: »

Sound advice
I did a bit of checking and the MK38 has a multichoke version now
I am not in a club yet but will check out when they re open
The MK38 and MK70 look very similar on paper

The difference is in the stock. The Mk38 stock will have a higher comb for trap which, when you mount the gun, will show a lot more rib. If you get an adjustable comb Mk70 you can replicate this for trap by raising the comb. I've seen Miroku with adjustable combs but don't know if this is a factory option. In any case you could get Pat Sludds to fit one for you or just use a stick on or elastic comb raiser.

I said earlier that the difference between them is also in the weight but, being curious I looked it up and they are the same weight. I was mixing up the MK 70 and MK 60 which is lighter.

If we keep this conversation up my wife will be suspicious, as you are getting me thinking, and I might be tempted bring home a nice Miroku that I got for a "bargain" price

paulireland

Love it

tudderone

I had a Miroku 7000 grade one years ago and like a tit i sold it. It was easily one of the best guns i ever owned. Always planned to pick up another one, just never came across one.

tudderone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHJkqBwDoQA

paulireland

Good info-thanks guys.
Just a thought-if I get a cheap and cheerful gun to get my cert I can always upgrade to a Miroku.Reason I say this is that should I be refused(cant think why I would) I could get my money refunded from the dealer.If I spend 2K+ on a Miroku he will want the full amount up front if it has to be ordered in
Any thoughts
Cheers as ever
Paul

tudderone

paulireland wrote: »

Good info-thanks guys.
Just a thought-if I get a cheap and cheerful gun to get my cert I can always upgrade to a Miroku.Reason I say this is that should I be refused(cant think why I would) I could get my money refunded from the dealer.If I spend 2K+ on a Miroku he will want the full amount up front if it has to be ordered in
Any thoughts
Cheers as ever
Paul

If you have all your ducks in a row, home security, club membership or land permissions, and you are not someone with a serious criminal record or history of mental illnesses, you won't be refused.

paulireland

Thanks
Do I need one or two permissions?

Rosahane

paulireland wrote: »

Good info-thanks guys.
Just a thought-if I get a cheap and cheerful gun to get my cert I can always upgrade to a Miroku.Reason I say this is that should I be refused(cant think why I would) I could get my money refunded from the dealer.If I spend 2K+ on a Miroku he will want the full amount up front if it has to be ordered in
Any thoughts
Cheers as ever
Paul

Paul,
If you want to shoot properly, you need to get a left handed gun or at the very least one that has a stock that can be adjusted to suit a lefty.

You will struggle to find a reasonably priced left hand O/U, if you can find one at all. However, Browning stocks from the factory are generally straight while Beretta stocks have a cast. So, a stock Browning mightn't be too bad.

Better again is the Browning Cynnergy Black Ice with a composite stock which has a selection of left, right, and straight Combs and a couple of recoil pad butt plate options to adjust the length. Fit the left hand comb and you have a slightly left handed gun with an annoying top lever .

However, a decent second one of those is going to be at between €1200 - €1900 secondhand and the same price as the Miroku new. Given that, they will hold their value and a few are usually on sale so trying one out is a possibility.

Like I said, when you can, do a trawl of the dealers and see what takes your fancy. If possible try to shoot a selection of different guns. People in clubs are usually happy to let somebody try a few shot with their guns.

Rosahane

paulireland wrote: »

Thanks
Do I need one or two permissions?

You need a minimum of two.

meathstevie

paulireland wrote: »

Thanks for that.I didn't realize the trap gun had a fixed aim point.
Am also trying to get my head around chokes

Don’t wreck your head over chokes and all that craic.

If by “fixed aim point” you understand non adjustable sights that would be the case for most if not all sporting shotguns from a century old side by side game gun to a new trap gun.

A shotgun in most cases has a rib on top of the barrel and a bead at the muzzle that assists you with pointing the gun towards your target. Some guns require you to point the gun slightly under or over your target to have an optimal impact of the shot pattern and others require you to be exactly on the target.

On top of that different brands and weights and shot sizes in cartridges will pattern slightly to substantially differently.

The only way to conclusively figure out what a particular gun does in your hands is to check it out on a fixed target that allows you to see the spread of pellets at a fixed distance. The likes of a square meter sheet of cardboard ( a television box or the likes ) at 20 meter with a nice big dot in the middle to point at for example does the job nicely.

If you really want to be particular about it you could make a patterning plate.

paulireland

Thanks again guys
Reason for all my questions is that with the lockdown I cant talk to people in gunshops or the local firearms officer at the Garda station so I am winging it a bit
Cheers
Paul

paulireland

Had a look at that browning you mentioned.It is pretty pricey and not as nice looking as the Miroku

Rosahane

paulireland wrote: »

Had a look at that browning you mentioned.It is pretty pricey and not as nice looking as the Miroku

Its main benefit is the ability to adjust the stock. I have one and I'm happy with how I have adjusted it to fit me.

Age and wisdom have inexplicably altered my once svelte body profile

It's an "out of the box" option for a left-hander, reasonable available secondhand here and just as easily sold on again.

paulireland

Hmmmmm-worth considering then

The pigeon man

Rosahane wrote: »

You need a minimum of two.

Do you need two permissions? I got a license with one 150+ acre permission

Asus1

paulireland wrote: »

Thanks again guys
Reason for all my questions is that with the lockdown I cant talk to people in gunshops or the local firearms officer at the Garda station so I am winging it a bit
Cheers
Paul

I think a good few shops are working with online deliveries so the lads will be in the shops to take any calls.Look on Facebook and from the ones I look at they are open for calls.

paulireland

Cheers pigeonman

paulireland

And Asus

tudderone

Don't forget to browse the gunshops up north, you may find what you're looking for there.


https://gundeal.co.uk/home//3/40/DESC/date_submitted


https://gundeal.co.uk/quicksearch/miroku

paulireland

will take a look

paulireland

Nearest I came is Browning B725 Sporter II left hand.Pretty pricey tho