Should I reach out to the landlord?

GlobalSun

Hi all,

Hope everyone is keeping safe at this time.

I'm facing a bit of an issue.

I've been living in the apartment for the last 4 years with two other tenants (we all moved in around the same time). Then, one of these two tenants moved out around fall time last year and we (I) picked the new tenant.

The new tenant seemed rather nice initially (the first two weeks). Then, things started going downhill. We have the usual roommate issues: the tenant suddenly stops talking to me (nothing happened, as they stopped talking to me within the first month), doesn't say "Hi" when I greet them in the morning or whenever I see them for the first time that day and doesn't clean the common areas.

These are minor issues which I can gloss over. We're not friends or family after all.

Now - the main issue - as we are all aware, we're in the midst of a pandemic and social distancing has become the norm. It seems everyone is on the same boat, except this new tenant. Yesterday, to my great surprise, this person invited two of their "friends" over for the afternoon without informing us or asking us our consent beforehand. Whilst in normal times, they wouldn't need to ask for permission or give a heads up, we're in the midst of a pandemic and things are different.

In addition to this, one of these guests had the idea to use my bathroom (the tenant's bathroom is en-suite whilst mine is not), again without my consent. These are not my guests, I do not know these people or where they have been.

Although some of you may argue these are internal roommate issues, this individual has clearly breached health and safety guidelines without our express consent. I am thus contemplating reaching out to the landlord to discuss the matter and any steps if required.

Am I overrracting?

Thanks.

Shefwedfan

What’s the landlord going to do?

GlobalSun

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What’s the landlord going to do?

Apologies, I forgot to mention.

We can't get rid of this individual as we all have separate leases. Only the landlord can action this. Hence, my above thread.

Purple Mountain

Did you speak to the other tenant about how you felt with the guests?

BohsCeltic

No you are not overreacting. I'd be fuming as they are clearly not caring about others living there. Who knows where there friends have been. I have not seen my friends or Nephews for a while now because i listen to the guidelines.
Have a word with them and if that doesn't work maybe then have a word with LL.

That is so mean, selfish and irresponsible what they are doing.

Shefwedfan

GlobalSun wrote: »

Apologies, I forgot to mention.

We can't get rid of this individual as we all have separate leases. Only the landlord can action this. Hence, my above thread.

Ok but you picked the tenant...

To be honest you sound a bit like squabbling teenagers. Not trying to upset you or anything but if I was a landlord that’s the way I would see it. They won’t get involved

Sit down, discuss the subject and put house rules in place. Write them down and put them up on wall. Simple

If he/she doesn’t adhere just say you will need to go to landlord, but this is not really a landlord issue in my eyes yet

GlobalSun

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Did you speak to the other tenant about how you felt with the guests?

As stated above, this individual never speaks to me nor acknowledges my existence. When I greet this person, I'm met with a no-response.

Worse, they started "gossiping" about me with the third tenant.

It's quite a difficult thing to engage a conversation with someone who basically acts as though you don't exist and created a wall from the moment they set foot in the apartment.

GlobalSun

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Ok but you picked the tenant...

To be honest you sound a bit like squabbling teenagers. Not trying to upset you or anything but if I was a landlord that’s the way I would see it. They won’t get involved

Sit down, discuss the subject and put house rules in place. Write them down and put them up on wall. Simple

If he/she doesn’t adhere just say you will need to go to landlord, but this is not really a landlord issue in my eyes yet

Well, to me it is an issue that they are putting our health at risk by inviting guests over and allowing them to use my bathroom without my consent. I pay rent as well. These are not normal times. It's not squabbling, it's being an abiding citizen. This individual should have enough common sense not to be behaving like this.

I sure picked the tenant, but the first impression doesn't give away anything really.

I’m struggling to see what part the LL plays in this.

Purple Mountain

I get that the other person ignores you and that's pathetic but in these circumstances you need to make an effort to start a conversation (not necessarily a confrontation) and say you were very upset and worried about 2 people in your shared home during lock down and especially using your bathroom.
Ask them why thru thought that was acceptable and ask are they planning to do it again because it's against the current rules of lock down.
It's not your landlord's responsibility to mediate between you all.

Shefwedfan

GlobalSun wrote: »

Well, to me it is an issue that they are putting our health at risk by inviting guests over and allowing them to use my bathroom without my consent. I pay rent as well. These are not normal times. It's not squabbling, it's being an abiding citizen. This individual should have enough common sense not to be behaving like this.

I sure picked the tenant, but the first impression doesn't give away anything really.

Did you agree house rules or update house rules since the virus?

10pennymixup

Dav010 wrote: »

I’m struggling to see what part the LL plays in this.

Same here, what;s the LL going to do. It's not exactly like they can stop a tenant from having guests as such. Unless you can claim anti social behaviour.

If it's non essential travel etc you'd have better luck with the Gardaí.

10pennymixup

10pennymixup wrote: »

Same here, what;s the LL going to do. It's not exactly like they can stop a tenant from having guests as such. Unless you can claim anti social behaviour.

If it's non essential travel etc you'd have better luck with the Gardaí.

I would have thought a LL prohibiting who a tenant could invite into their home would be effecting their peaceful enjoyment, it might be a stretch, but it is hard to see how the LL could dictate who visits.

Mrs OBumble

Under current legislation, the LL cannot do anything about the tenant.

The very fact that you use the phrase "reach out" instead of "talk to" gives an indication of how you're likely to be coming across. Tone it down a bit.

What does the third tenant think of the situation?

I don’t mean this to mean grab them by the neck or anything but if they’re acting the child then you just need to stand up and tell them never ever do that again. Don’t even give them the chance to reply or ignore you, just tell them straight and walk away. Might be enough, but take it from there then.

Shefwedfan

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Under current legislation, the LL cannot do anything about the tenant.

The very fact that you use the phrase "reach out" instead of "talk to" gives an indication of how you're likely to be coming across. Tone it down a bit.

What does the third tenant think of the situation?

Under any legislation the LL can do nothing.....this sounds like a squabble.

Shefwedfan

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I don’t mean this to mean grab them by the neck or anything but if they’re acting the child then you just need to stand up and tell them never ever do that again. Don’t even give them the chance to reply or ignore you, just tell them straight and walk away. Might be enough, but take it from there then.

Would that not increase the tension? would it not be better to sit like adults, tell them your concerns and agree a set of house rules for everyone

dartboardio

Why didn't you mention anything?

Just call the Gardaí and explain your roommate has friends over and you're worried about your health.

No one is meant to have their buddies over so I'm sure the Gardaí can make them go home, if the Gardaí can turn people around on the road that are going for a drive.

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Would that not increase the tension? would it not be better to sit like adults, tell them your concerns and agree a set of house rules for everyone

You’ve one person giving the silent treatment like they’re 11 years of age. Things are well past sitting like adults.

Shefwedfan

dartboardio wrote: »

Why didn't you mention anything?

Just call the Gardaí and explain your roommate has friends over and you're worried about your health.

No one is meant to have their buddies over so I'm sure the Gardaí can make them go home, if the Gardaí can turn people around on the road that are going for a drive.

So now the Garda can throw people out of a house if they visit friends?????

Shefwedfan

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

You’ve one person giving the silent treatment like they’re 11 years of age. Things are well past sitting like adults.

We have one side of the story, I suspect the OP has done something which is why the other tenant aint talking.....roaring and shouting never resolved anything

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So now the Garda can throw people out of a house if they visit friends?????

Hopefully so. It’s not permitted.

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

We have one side of the story, I suspect the OP has done something which is why the other tenant aint talking.....roaring and shouting never resolved anything

No you’re just doing the usual Boards thing of blaming everything on the person that makes the opening post just because they’ve made the opening post. Like vultures. It sounds clear cut to anyone rational.

Shefwedfan

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Hopefully so. It’s not permitted.

Is it??

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Is it??

Of course it isn’t and you know it isn’t. Being flippant about them won’t change that.

Shefwedfan

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Of course it isn’t and you know it isn’t. Being flippant about them won’t change that.

Im not, I never seen anything to suggest you couldn't visit people if you stayed within 2km....

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Im not, I never seen anything to suggest you couldn't visit people if you stayed within 2km....

The 2km is for exercise. We’re trying to not spread a virus, how could visiting people be ok? You know well it’s not.

Shefwedfan

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

The 2km is for exercise. We’re trying to not spread a virus, how could visiting people be ok? You know well it’s not.

Im not saying it is ok or not, the response was about the Garda throwing people out of a house. I dont see any law or anything that would allow them to do it, of course I could be wrong? point me in direction please if it exists

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Im not saying it is ok or not, the response was about the Garda throwing people out of a house. I dont see any law or anything that would allow them to do it, of course I could be wrong? point me in direction please if it exists

No I’m not going down the usual boards route of “provide written legislation” when you have no other argument to make. All I was doing was pointing out you playing dumb about people not meant to be visiting other houses, but I’m not getting wrapped up any further in your games. You can go back to calling the OP a liar instead.

GlobalSun

This individual started ignoring me two weeks after she moved in. Sure enough, everyone is on their best behavior initially.

I lived with the other tenant for 3 years and we never ignored each other. I've been living with the other tenant for close to 4 years and we never ignored each other either.

I'm a quiet person and in normal times, I'm at the office from 7.30am to 8pm. Often away for the day/weekend.

I rarely bumped into them before Covid and when I did, she'd ignore me. Even if let's say I did something wrong, does that prevent them from saying "Hi"? Sure, they can just be short by not engaging in a full blown conversation, but avoiding common courtesy is disrespectful.

Shefwedfan

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

No I’m not going down the usual boards route of “provide written legislation” when you have no other argument to make. All I was doing was pointing out you playing dumb about people not meant to be visiting other houses, but I’m not getting wrapped up any further in your games. You can go back to calling the OP a liar instead.

Oookkkkkk

I never said the OP lied

As per my original advice, sit down and have adult conversation with other tenant and work out rules

emeldc

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Im not, I never seen anything to suggest you couldn't visit people if you stayed within 2km....

FFS, seriously?

jlm29

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Im not, I never seen anything to suggest you couldn't visit people if you stayed within 2km....

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf9b0d-new-public-health-measures-effective-now-to-prevent-further-spread-o/

It’s there in the first section. The one entitled “stay at home”. “you cannot arrange a gathering with anyone you do not live with”
I find it hard to believe this is news to you.

pwurple

OP, the third tenant here is your go between. You are being bullied through exclusion here.

If the new girl talks to the other tenant, and you also talk to them, then use this person as a mediator.


Evictions are currently stopped. I think you want your landlord to have a word with them, like the mother of a naughty child, but honestly that is not a landlords role.


Try to resolve with the third tenant, speak to them first and ask if they know what the problem is.. then establish that silent treatment and bring bullied in your own home is not acceptable behaviour.

And that visitors in Covid19 is illegal and should not be repeated.

Shefwedfan

jlm29 wrote: »

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf9b0d-new-public-health-measures-effective-now-to-prevent-further-spread-o/

It’s there in the first section. The one entitled “stay at home”. “you cannot arrange a gathering with anyone you do not live with”
I find it hard to believe this is news to you.

It’s not news to me, what was news to me was the comment about ringing the Garda to get the people thrown out....

I know it’s not recommended but it’s not illegal, the Garda cannot show up and throw people out

I don’t see anything on the link or any posts to say the Garda could do anything in this situation? But I could be wrong

antix80

People are saying you can't phone the guards... I believe you can. I probably wouldn't.

The guest might not have realised your bathroom was private. I was in a house share with a simar setup so I used to lock the bathroom door.

Treppen

Your thinking of it in terms of a house, the offender is thinking of it in terms of an apartment with common areas.

Whether you like it or not the offender doesn't see you as part of their life. I know people like that, friends of friends who 100% blank you to the point of not responding or turning their back to you when you speak to them in your friends company.

Just don't bother and move on. The game has changed. But if they ever ask for a favour they can #### ####.

Although you sound like a good long term tenant a landlord would want to have, you could try one last ditch attempt. But Start looking for somewhere else anyway... Preferably an unshared apartment.

sharpish

This is actually the worst of renting, I've seen, heard or experienced this ****e so much.

Talk to the third person in the house so if they know what the criac is. This situation is only going to get worse in the long run unless it is addressed.

I would also ring the landlord and update them on the situation and say you are just letting them know what is going on and that you haven't figured out exactly what you are going to do. The landlord has the lease with this person, they may not be able to evict currently but they need to know what is going on in the property if there if such grief going on. The landlord might have some background in formation that might help or they might just say I've been in contact and have more info that they will or wont share.

Even if you have a gentle conversation, I would put money on it they call the landlord, who then calls you anyway.

I've actually had this before and the landlord was getting complaints about while the I was getting the silent treatment. People ended up moving out over it.

GlobalSun wrote: »

Hi all,

Hope everyone is keeping safe at this time.

I'm facing a bit of an issue.

I've been living in the apartment for the last 4 years with two other tenants (we all moved in around the same time). Then, one of these two tenants moved out around fall time last year and we (I) picked the new tenant.

The new tenant seemed rather nice initially (the first two weeks). Then, things started going downhill. We have the usual roommate issues: the tenant suddenly stops talking to me (nothing happened, as they stopped talking to me within the first month), doesn't say "Hi" when I greet them in the morning or whenever I see them for the first time that day and doesn't clean the common areas.

These are minor issues which I can gloss over. We're not friends or family after all.

Now - the main issue - as we are all aware, we're in the midst of a pandemic and social distancing has become the norm. It seems everyone is on the same boat, except this new tenant. Yesterday, to my great surprise, this person invited two of their "friends" over for the afternoon without informing us or asking us our consent beforehand. Whilst in normal times, they wouldn't need to ask for permission or give a heads up, we're in the midst of a pandemic and things are different.

In addition to this, one of these guests had the idea to use my bathroom (the tenant's bathroom is en-suite whilst mine is not), again without my consent. These are not my guests, I do not know these people or where they have been.

Although some of you may argue these are internal roommate issues, this individual has clearly breached health and safety guidelines without our express consent. I am thus contemplating reaching out to the landlord to discuss the matter and any steps if required.

Am I overrracting?

Thanks.

sharpish

sharpish wrote: »

This is actually the worst of renting, I've seen, heard or experienced this ****e so much.

Talk to the third person in the house so if they know what the criac is. This situation is only going to get worse in the long run unless it is addressed.

I would also ring the landlord and update them on the situation and say you are just letting them know what is going on and that you haven't figured out exactly what you are going to do. The landlord has the lease with this person, they may not be able to evict currently but they need to know what is going on in the property if there if such grief going on. The landlord might have some background in formation that might help or they might just say I've been in contact and have more info that they will or wont share.

Even if you have a gentle conversation, I would put money on it they call the landlord, who then calls you anyway.

I've actually had this before and the landlord was getting complaints about while the I was getting the silent treatment. People ended up moving out over it.

I’m still struggling to see what role you expect the LL to play in this. I suspect most, if not all, would not divulge any information held about the tenant to anyone else, and would tell you to cop on and sort it out yourself. Provided the tenants are acting in accordance with the terms of the lease, the LL has no role to play in sorting squabbles between tenants sharing the house.

Shefwedfan

sharpish wrote: »

This is actually the worst of renting, I've seen, heard or experienced this ****e so much.

Talk to the third person in the house so if they know what the criac is. This situation is only going to get worse in the long run unless it is addressed.

I would also ring the landlord and update them on the situation and say you are just letting them know what is going on and that you haven't figured out exactly what you are going to do. The landlord has the lease with this person, they may not be able to evict currently but they need to know what is going on in the property if there if such grief going on. The landlord might have some background in formation that might help or they might just say I've been in contact and have more info that they will or wont share.

Even if you have a gentle conversation, I would put money on it they call the landlord, who then calls you anyway.

I've actually had this before and the landlord was getting complaints about while the I was getting the silent treatment. People ended up moving out over it.

The LL has nothing to do with this, I very much doubt the other tenant is ringing the LL and only moved in


The OP is an adult, have a conversation with the person, involved everyone so you all agree rules etc

Sleeper12

Shefwedfan wrote:

To be honest you sound a bit like squabbling teenagers. Not trying to upset you or anything but if I was a landlord that’s the way I would see it. They won’t get involved

I don't think the is much reasoning with a moron that invites people not from his home unit into the shared home unit in the middle of a pandemic tbh.

It very much is a LL situation.

Shefwedfan

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I don't think the is much reasoning with a moron that invites people not from his home unit into the shared home unit in the middle of a pandemic tbh.

It very much is a LL situation.

How? what rules and regulations has the person broke? they have broke the recommendations but no laws.



So you want to give LL the power to determine who you can/cant bring into a property? not sure people would be too happy with that law

irish_goat

I've lived in several houseshares, and been in countless more, and ahve never heard of anyone claiming the main bathroom as their own because another tenant has an ensuite. It's a toilet ffs, you go to any public place and you share one with hundreds of people.

emeldc

irish_goat wrote: »

I've lived in several houseshares, and been in countless more, and ahve never heard of anyone claiming the main bathroom as their own because another tenant has an ensuite. It's a toilet ffs, you go to any public place and you share one with hundreds of people.

If you had the ensuite would you be ok with a stranger taking a dump in it. It's just a toilet.

jlm29

Shefwedfan wrote: »

How? what rules and regulations has the person broke? they have broke the recommendations but no laws.



So you want to give LL the power to determine who you can/cant bring into a property? not sure people would be too happy with that law

It’s in the covid 19 regulations amendment to the public health act. The bit that Simon Harris signed on April 8th to give the gardai powers of enforcement. It’s right up at the top that people don’t leave their house unless it’s Essential. So yes, it is technically a law, and technically the gardai could come and enforce it. But I’d imagine they wouldn’t but who knows

Treppen

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The LL has nothing to do with this...

Generally Landlords try to keep good tenants long term. If op moves out then Landlord might be faced with looking for new tenants during a recession. Maybe having to consider cheaper rents if they can't find someone.
Then with a new tenant it brings its own potential for problems.

jlm29

jlm29 wrote: »

It’s in the covid 19 regulations amendment to the public health act. The bit that Simon Harris signed on April 8th to give the gardai powers of enforcement. It’s right up at the top that people don’t leave their house unless it’s Essential. So yes, it is technically a law, and technically the gardai could come and enforce it. But I’d imagine they wouldn’t but who knows

What has this to do with the LL though?

Sleeper12

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It very much is a LL situation.

How?

jlm29

Dav010 wrote: »

What has this to do with the LL though?

Nothing. I just replied to that poster who said they weren’t breaking any laws.

Sleeper12

Shefwedfan wrote: »

How? what rules and regulations has the person broke? they have broke the recommendations but no laws.



So you want to give LL the power to determine who you can/cant bring into a property? not sure people would be too happy with that law

This is no different to the LL allowing a tenant to smoke / sell hash in a shared home after it's been reported to them.



It is actually law. How do you suppose the Gardai have arrested & charged people for exceeding 2k from their home? It's very much in the LLs interest to sort this or at least look like they have tried to sort it. There are Irish people that have joined a class action against a Sky resort because they contracted Covid 19 there.



Ticking time bomb for a LL who doesn't act

pwurple

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Ticking time bomb for a LL who doesn't act

Act in what way?