Will cruises get cancelled this year

Lex Luthor

faceman wrote: »

Spain have suspended cruise ships from docking at Spanish ports indefinitely

tick tock

skooterblue2

Lex Luthor wrote: »

tick tock

This pandemic wont last forever. Remember it cost 40,000 to park a ship for a few hours. Both parties are hurting. You cant ask ask fishing boats to foot the same bill. Being a dick wont be forgotten when the cruise companies return to the table with the ports.

Lex Luthor

skooterblue2 wrote: »

This pandemic wont last forever. Remember it cost 40,000 to park a ship for a few hours. Both parties are hurting. You cant ask ask fishing boats to foot the same bill. Being a dick wont be forgotten when the cruise companies return to the table with the ports.

I think you're taking this way too personally my friend

its a forum/debate about whether cruises will get cancelled this year

If countries like Spain are suspending cruise ships from docking indefinitely, how long do you think these companies will survive if they cant fulfill what they actually are in business for

I'm not wishing any bad feeling towards the cruise line industry, what I am saying and will continue to say is that if there is one business that will be affected badly by this is the cruise industry

I'd be more than happy if they prove me wrong

skooterblue2

Lex Luthor wrote: »

anybody who is ever considering going on a cruise again in my opinion needs their head examined

cruise ships will be sold for scrap metal in a few years time, that industry is finished

Yeah you dont like the industry or the people on the ship both tourists or staff.

Goldman Sachs have stepped in to back up Royal Caribbean, The ships may not cruise for 2 years but they have reserves to survive.

You see it as a minimum wage industry. There are many more people and business you dont see that rely on it for business. Ship builders, Chandlery, food producers, travel agents, these are people you never see on the ship. It pays people from second and Third world countries more than decent wages other than subsistence farming and mining. You want them out of jobs.

November when the stock markets crash. I will be buying Royal Caribbean and Celebrity at probably less than $10 each.
Being a dick refers to the countries who wouldn't give shelter and chandalery to cruise ships. Considering Docking fees and taxes ports get paid and fuel consumed yes they are being dicks.

Lex Luthor

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Yeah you dont like the industry or the people on the ship both tourists or staff.

Goldman Sachs have stepped in to back up Royal Caribbean, The ships may not cruise for 2 years but they have reserves to survive.

You see it as a minimum wage industry. There are many more people and business you dont see that rely on it for business. Ship builders, Chandlery, food producers, travel agents, these are people you never see on the ship. It pays people from second and Third world countries more than decent wages other than subsistence farming and mining. You want them out of jobs.

November when the stock markets crash. I will be buying Royal Caribbean and Celebrity at probably less than $10 each.
Being a dick refers to the countries who wouldn't give shelter and chandalery to cruise ships. Considering Docking fees and taxes ports get paid and fuel consumed yes they are being dicks.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Nigel Fairservice

I had to pay the balance of my cruise by tomorrow. As of right now it's still sailing.There is no way I'm going on it. I opted to change my cruise to October 2021 for a fee of €150. I have no idea if that cruise will go ahead in 2021 but I thought the €150 gives me a year wait and see time. Would have lost €750 otherwise. I might end up losing €900 this time next year but I thought I may as well lose €900 next year as €750 right now. I'll just have to wait and see.

skooterblue2

Nigel Fairservice wrote: »

I had to pay the balance of my cruise by tomorrow. As of right now it's still sailing.There is no way I'm going on it. I opted to change my cruise to October 2021 for a fee of €150. I have no idea if that cruise will go ahead in 2021 but I thought the €150 gives me a year wait and see time. Would have lost €750 otherwise. I might end up losing €900 this time next year but I thought I may as well lose €900 next year as €750 right now. I'll just have to wait and see.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cdc-extends-us-ban-cruise-212708175.html

pay your deposit, then cancel next year. Both Royal caribbean and Norwegian have announced they have secured funds to go for a year maybe two without income. I think it is likely that the CDC may shut them down again.
Stand firm and get your cost back or wait until next year. I cannot see them cruising again soon.

Lex Luthor

Nigel Fairservice wrote: »

I had to pay the balance of my cruise by tomorrow. As of right now it's still sailing.There is no way I'm going on it. I opted to change my cruise to October 2021 for a fee of €150. I have no idea if that cruise will go ahead in 2021 but I thought the €150 gives me a year wait and see time. Would have lost €750 otherwise. I might end up losing €900 this time next year but I thought I may as well lose €900 next year as €750 right now. I'll just have to wait and see.

if it was me I would have waited it out a bit longer and hopefully they cancel this years cruise and you could get the full amount back now while they are still in operation

pumping another €150 into them now imo is just throwing good money after bad

I hope I'm wrong but I've stated a few times here, I'm pessimistic for the cruise line industry

skooterblue2

Lex Luthor wrote: »

if it was me I would have waited it out a bit longer and hopefully they cancel this years cruise and you could get the full amount back now while they are still in operation

pumping another €150 into them now imo is just throwing good money after bad

I hope I'm wrong but I've stated a few times here, I'm pessimistic for the cruise line industry

I would ask for a cash refund as soon as possible there is no way you are going to set foot on that ship.

The cruise industry will be fine. Yes they are going to go through a few tough years. They have laid off most of their staff and are running ships on skeleton staff. Yes they are having problems of rotating staff but that is the CDC doing. The CDC are treating the cruise lines unfairly compared to the airlines. Most of the cruise lines have finance packages in place. The only one that looks dodgy is Bransons Virgin line. The ships look horrendous and tacky.

What industry do you think is taking appropriate measures to prepare for the upcoming crash?

Nigel Fairservice

Lex Luthor wrote: »

if it was me I would have waited it out a bit longer and hopefully they cancel this years cruise and you could get the full amount back now while they are still in operation

pumping another €150 into them now imo is just throwing good money after bad

I hope I'm wrong but I've stated a few times here, I'm pessimistic for the cruise line industry

I would have liked to have waited it out longer but the balance of the cruise was due to be paid yesterday. It was either pay them the balance of €1750 yesterday on top of the €750 I have already paid, decide I wasn't going and lose my €750 or reschedule for late 2021 for €150. €150 allows me to kick the can down the road for another year I suppose. It was too much of a gamble to pay out €2500 in the hopes of the cruise getting cancelled so I could get my money back.

MadYaker

Cruises may not die off completely. If there's one thing I've learned from this pandemic it's that a lot of people are just dumb and would probably happily go on a cruise again when this is all over despite the fact that the same thing could easily happen again with a new virus.

skooterblue2

MadYaker wrote: »

Cruises may not die off completely. If there's one thing I've learned from this pandemic it's that a lot of people are just dumb and would probably happily go on a cruise again when this is all over despite the fact that the same thing could easily happen again with a new virus.

When was the last time there was an pandemic of this size, and before that? and when was the time before that? What are your thoughts on the flight industry? in an aluminum can for 8 hours, pressurised with recycled air? in close proximity to other people.
If all commerce and trade were to stop because of a pandemic. Did you notice the numbers are dying nothing like predicted. I am not saying that unnecessary travel should be avoided but we should be sensible. This pandemic will be over and cruising will resume.
Dumb people read the news and believe it. Smart people like to look at the numbers and make up their own mind.

NickNickleby

MadYaker wrote: »

Cruises may not die off completely. If there's one thing I've learned from this pandemic it's that a lot of people are just dumb and would probably happily go on a cruise again when this is all over despite the fact that the same thing could easily happen again with a new virus.

Indeed, but presumably, like all us brainboxes on here, once a pandemic has been notified, they'll not go on a cruise without giving it serious consideration as to the risk posed. However, to choose NOT to cruise on the basis of a 'possible' outbreak at some time in the future, well that's probably a bit of a step too far. I'll admit, there's destinations on this planet that I'll never visit, because of the reputation for low standards of hygiene, but that's about as paranoid as I'll get.

I've been on a few cruises, and never caught novoviris, but I know that's a calculated risk.

I'm holidaying in Ireland this year. Staying in hotels. Am I guaranteed to not catch Covid-19? No I'm not.(In fact, I suspect that the risk is no greater nor worse than travelling on certain cruise lines). But I'm reasonably sure that those in control are sticking to the protocols. If I suddenly stop posting in the Autumn, you'll know I am a victim of my own misplaced faith. :eek::pac::pac:

edit: saw skooters post after posting my - the bit about the planes is spot on. I believe there's a resurgence of TB, and air travel is a major factor. We all continued to fly, and I know no one who caught it...

Sheridan81

Got a cruise booked with Royal Carribean for early October to Italy, Spain, France. Fully paid now. It's not likely to happen is it? (Asking skooterblue2, who seems to be the expert around here).

skooterblue2

Sheridan81 wrote: »

Got a cruise booked with Royal Carribean for early October to Italy, Spain, France. Fully paid now. It's not likely to happen is it? (Asking skooterblue2, who seems to be the expert around here).

Do nothing, wait for them to make the first move. I have serious doubts you will be boarding on that date, due to the upcoming wave 2 in Europe. Its going to take 45 days for a refund.

Make a decision, either you take the cash which is a good option or rebook at 125% credit, also a great option. Your cash is safe, Goldman Sachs is backing the line. I would err on the side of caution because of the recession coming the second week in November and take the cash option. Smaller cruise lines are failing already, the big ones appear robust.

Try and keep up to date with developments on youtube (Garry Bembridge and crusietipsTV). If you need reminding why you should go on a cruise Harr Travel on youtube specialise in cruise trips. Great choice travelling with Royal Caribbean.

anyone tell me how much id be paying for say a cruise round the Caribbean and as far as Hawaii??? even a budget price including flights to port in the USA from Ireland??

skooterblue2

rusty cole wrote: »

anyone tell me how much id be paying for say a cruise round the Caribbean and as far as Hawaii??? even a budget price including flights to port in the USA from Ireland??

They are 4 separate cruises you are talking about!
There are 3 cruise areas in the Caribbean (east west and south). The Hawaiian is going to be very expensive. There are strange laws that you cannot leave the US and cruise directly back to a US port without visiting a foreign port, even if it is only a private island or a day in Mexico.

What sort of cabin do you want? We love the mini-suite with balcony, dont presume every room has a balcony or a sofa. Some have no windows, some face in wards some face outwards. Are you a single traveller (Check Norwegian)? Are you on a tight budget try Costa or MSC? Are you on a big budget try Royal Caribbean, Princess, Norwegian? Have you just 10 days to live or trying to spend brewsters millions? Try Cunard or Hurtigruten cruises. Do you need a wedding, drinks, spa, internet, fine dining package (you are going to eat amazingly which ever way), then port day excursions etc etc. You are probably going to need some nice clothes for formal night and some nice electronics (Go Pro and cheap accessory kit). Before you decide spend time watching cruise videos.

You need to take the time of year into account, which line and ship, if you have time to burn I suggest you look at a relocation cruise. I love my port days so It wouldnt be for me but it would be off season so less people on board. I wouldnt over do the cruising by doing more than 8-9 nights in a row.

Go spend time on youtube researching where to go and what to do. If you drink more than 4 drinks a day a package is cheap and stay away from the casino. Get some sort of package even if it is only coffee and juice.

Caranica

Looks like the first cruise to re-start are being rightly strict on trying to keep everyone safe.

Cruise in Italy denies a family re-embarkation after they broke the ship's 'social bubble'

https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/cruise/cruise-in-italy-denies-a-family-re-embarkation-after-they-broke-the-ships-social-bubble-39472516.html

Lex Luthor

Imagine the hassle of going on a cruise in this world right now...

you'd want to seriously rethink it

fitzparker

My parents cruise has been cancelled with MSC ( due to sail next month) they still had €1200 left to pay ( i specifically held off paying it for them as I knew the email would come of cancellation)

what do you suggest they do.

I was thinking to take the cruise credit (125%) and use it to book a cruise for them to that value (aug/sept 2021), not put a cent to it, they then have the €1200 in their back pocket. or just take the refund back and wait and see?

Separately I cruised south Caribbean for my honeymoon last year and want to book again for 2022 this time bringing the kids, the cruise is available to book now at a decent price but are we best just putting money aside and booking next year when we know more?

spurious

Cruises have been in a norovirus world for years.
I would feel safer with cruise boat cleaning regimes than most hotels.

woodchuck

fitzparker wrote: »

I was thinking to take the cruise credit (125%) and use it to book a cruise for them to that value (aug/sept 2021), not put a cent to it, they then have the €1200 in their back pocket. or just take the refund back and wait and see?

Separately I cruised south Caribbean for my honeymoon last year and want to book again for 2022 this time bringing the kids, the cruise is available to book now at a decent price but are we best just putting money aside and booking next year when we know more?

Personally I'd take a refund over a voucher/credit. Even if the voucher is worth more now, it could be worth nothing if the cruise line doesn't survive the pandemic.

For the same reason, I'd hold off booking your cruise for 2022. There's far too much uncertainty atm.

Nigel Fairservice

I got an email from my cruise company today. They altered the itinerary for the cruise we were booked on to. Due to that I can get a full refund of my deposit which I opted to take. A fortunate turn of events that will hopefully get me my money back.

I originally book the cruise before Covid, then delayed it a year to see how things were going but things still have not improved enough that I would go on a cruise in the next few months.

fitzparker

I Booked a 10 day family cruise from Rome for August 2022 (paid a €150 deposit and wont pay anything else until last day its needed May 2022 due to uncertainty)

Ryanair currently have flights up for Aug 2022 (which is a first that far out) am I best booking the flights now while they are a decent price? or wait to see how things pan out. Iv pre booked hotels( free to book/cancel)

A cruise I was supposed to be taking in August from Alaska to Japan has been cancelled. Will eventually get a refund. They offered credit+10% towards a future booking, but I'm too pessimistic to opt for that.

THEFRIDGE

We have a cruise booked for Oct for 2 adults and 2 kids.... unsure what to do now as final payment is due in 2 weeks.. It's touch and go will it go ahead but even if it does the 2 kids obviously won't be vaccinated and will require tests. We have been watching and the rules with vaccinated and unvaccinated passengers is different. As we would have the kids we would fall into the unvaccinated (but we are vaccinated). So the idea of wearing a mask everywhere is making us reconsider...