If there was an election tomorrow, how would you vote?

Cobalt17

Have you been wooed by the flu shirts, or would you stick by your guns?

jimmycrackcorm

It's obvious that the answer is for whoever is promising the most 'free' stuff, houses, rent, whatever.
As we know from the last election, it doesn't matter if it is realistic or not.

Eric Cartman

Whoever promises no matter how vague to not make the middle and upper class pay any more in tax for this entire pandemic. The hope will keep me here a little longer until the inevitable PR backlash which results in middle Ireland being double shafted to pay for the lot.

Montage of Feck

Obviously the communist party comrades.

James Brown

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It's obvious that the answer is for whoever is promising the most 'free' stuff, houses, rent, whatever.
As we know from the last election, it doesn't matter if it is realistic or not.

So how come FG fared so badly last time? The whole concept of the 'foreva' home and 'dem that don't want to work' comes under FG. To be fair Dara Murphy out did Margret Cash on that one.

James Brown

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Whoever promises no matter how vague to not make the middle and upper class pay any more in tax for this entire pandemic. The hope will keep me here a little longer until the inevitable PR backlash which results in middle Ireland being double shafted to pay for the lot.

Where we traditionally prefer the working and middle class tax payer support sweet deals and 'dem that don't like to pay tax' like the gent who's Isle of Man company is renting us beds currently.

jimmycrackcorm

Bowie wrote: »

So how come FG fared so badly last time? The whole concept of the 'foreva' home and 'dem that don't want to work' comes under FG. To be fair Dara Murphy out did Margret Cash on that one.

If that was the case, then why was housing such a huge election issue?
The 'foreva' home concept is actually a FF era implementation, as councils decided to sell off houses to tenants long before FG took on the reigns.

I've no idea what relevance Dara Murphy has to Margret Cash.

James Brown

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

If that was the case, then why was housing such a huge election issue?
The 'foreva' home concept is actually a FF era implementation, as councils decided to sell off houses to tenants long before FG took on the reigns.

I've no idea what relevance Dara Murphy has to Margret Cash.

Because FG hadn't invested in building significant social housing in about a decade and favoured giving tax payer money to vulture funds. I'd rather my taxes went on building social housing than hotels or 25 year leases to the company of the husband (Goldman Sachs) of FG's housing advisor. But I digress, let's look to the minor number of dole heads and Christmas bonus etc.

Only Labour spoke out about that as I recall. Also FF are out since 2011, I think looking to FG is fair.

'Dem that don't want to work'. Dara's the guru.

RandomViewer

Anyone but Fine Gael,

risteard7

Thank God Sinn Fein weren't in power. Holy God can you imagine. Although they really dont want to be In power & are just happy to shout from the sidelines offering free everything.

jimmycrackcorm

Bowie wrote: »

Because FG hadn't invested in building significant social housing in about a decade and favoured giving tax payer money to vulture funds. I'd rather my taxes went on building social housing than hotels or 25 year leases to the company of the husband (Goldman Sachs) of FG's housing advisor. But I digress, let's look to the minor number of dole heads and Christmas bonus etc.

Only Labour spoke out about that as I recall. Also FF are out since 2011, I think looking to FG is fair.

'Dem that don't want to work'. Dara's the guru.

So strange How people don't remember the situation our country was in a decade ago, yet expect fancy social housing to have appeared overnight. But even then, when Nama offered a large block of apartments to SDCC in Tallaght for social housing, it was the non-FG led SDCC that turned it down.

I don't know what you parroting on about Isle of Man and Goldman Sachs about. Could you not manage to post at least one simple straight fact?

LeinsterDub

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It's obvious that the answer is for whoever is promising the most 'free' stuff, houses, rent, whatever.
As we know from the last election, it doesn't matter if it is realistic or not.

You mean unrealistic like a rent freeze, 350 euro social welfare payments, single payer health system.

Lyan

lol Sinn-tards once in a lifetime election victory killed by Corona. I'll be voting for the blue shirts next. Heil O'Duffy and may covid reign long.

ForestFire

From home?..........

ThunbergsAreGo

Feel like post election has shown and vote other than SF/FF/FG is probably a wasted vote as they dont want to be in Government

smelly sock

SF.

antimatterx

Fine Gael!

As I did in February, and 2016.

Salary Negotiator

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Feel like post election has shown and vote other than SF/FF/FG is probably a wasted vote as they dont want to be in Government

This.

None of these 3 were in my top 2 but considering no one else has any interest in actually governing I’d switch to FG 1 and 2.

duffman13

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Feel like post election has shown and vote other than SF/FF/FG is probably a wasted vote as they dont want to be in Government

This is fairly spot on tbh with probably the exception of the greens.

Solidarity, Independents, now more than ever I think are a wasted vote. I'd vote somewhere in the main 3, depending on policy. SF have some good people there now but genuinely, they don't have the depth of talent to form a government id be comfortable with. Id actually probably say that about all 3 of the main parties to be fair, FG probably a little better off in that regard but not by much.

If there was an election tomorrow I feel FG would do better but I'm not sure by much! On the back of this pandemic, I'm surprised anyone wants to go into government, whoever stays out will probably romp the next election

Savecoronabeer

I'd vote for Sein Fein. I've never had an interest in voting for them but someone always brings them up in a facebook, reddit or boards post constantly so there must be some good to them.

jimmycrackcorm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

You mean unrealistic like a rent freeze, 350 euro social welfare payments, single-payer health system.

Those are realistic, but for three months.

How many rental properties do you think would still be around after a few years with no rent increases - who is going to buy and provide rental accommodation?

Good luck trying to get lots of people back to many jobs if they're going to get paid 350 a week forever.

Single-payer health system. Now that's an interesting one; There are hundreds of unhappy private doctors and consultants who have been told to work under the HSE single system. We will get away with that for now, how long do you think that will last?

Even with the much-vaunted NHS, there is a thriving private practice in the UK. Harley Street isn't the HQ of the NHS.

jimmycrackcorm

Savecoronabeer wrote: »

I'd vote for Sein Fein. I've never had an interest in voting for them but someone always brings them up in a facebook, reddit or boards post constantly so there must be some good to them.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
For a political party so grounded in shooting.

Idbatterim

Will make barely any difference, when even fg now cate more about the 4eva home brigade than those that would have been traditional fg voters

nedkelly123

risteard7 wrote: »

Thank God Sinn Fein weren't in power. Holy God can you imagine. Although they really dont want to be In power & are just happy to shout from the sidelines offering free everything.

At least we would have no shortage of masks we could use against the virus if they won

LeinsterDub

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Those are realistic, but for three months.

How many rental properties do you think would still be around after a few years with no rent increases - who is going to buy and provide rental accommodation?

Good luck trying to get lots of people back to many jobs if they're going to get paid 350 a week forever.

Single-payer health system. Now that's an interesting one; There are hundreds of unhappy private doctors and consultants who have been told to work under the HSE single system. We will get away with that for now, how long do you think that will last?

Even with the much-vaunted NHS, there is a thriving private practice in the UK. Harley Street isn't the HQ of the NHS.

Why are they only realistic for 3 months? Obviously we can afford to long term give this level of income support to a million people but when the economy returns we should be giving people who lost their jobs more

No one said rent freeze forever. Lucky the arse has fallen out of the Air BnB market and we've magically got lots of stock available now. In other counties you don't need continuous rental increases to make investments profitable. The property itself is rising in value.

Awh so you want people to work for buttons is it?

A private health sector can remain. They can build everything themselves. No more work in public hospitals for example

bloodless_coup

FG obviously. The only sensible party we have, and on the correct side of the political spectrum.

Dank Janniels

Its gona be hard for the Opposition in the next election campaign, no1 will want to come down on FG too much for fear of being held to account themselves (as in their response to the Crisis) The econmony nationaly and globaly is gona be screwed so every1s proposals will have to be re-calculated so theyr will be no more give away budgets or tax breaks.
I was actualy looking forward to this Gov, SF + certain Inds coming to the fore, taking their rightful places in the Dail and showing us all what they are made of.

Savecoronabeer

Ah yes the usual "but but da ra" posts. Solid stuff that definitely helped in election past.

Mad_maxx

FG

they are a useless shower of tossers but by far the best of a bad lot

James Brown

risteard7 wrote: »

Thank God Sinn Fein weren't in power. Holy God can you imagine. Although they really dont want to be In power & are just happy to shout from the sidelines offering free everything.

You keep selling that and looking after uncle Dinny.
Yes thankfully we have the journalism drop out in charge of health, from the party 'relish'ed the thoughts of being on the sidelines.
Do you pay attention to reality or just make up your own?

James Brown

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
For a political party so grounded in shooting.

Like a virtual police state under marshal law might be for a party fond of Nazism? We can say ridiculous things about anything.

landofthetree

FG increased public spending by 13 billion per year since 2016.

An insane amount.

The other parties want to spend more. Even Europe was egging FG to spend more.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/business/irish/start-acting-like-a-rich-country-ibec-and-eu-call-for-infrastructure-38993983.html

The whole system is one big joke.

We need to reduce taxes,spend less and reform public services.

James Brown

landofthetree wrote: »

FG increased public spending by 13 billion per year since 2016.

An insane amount.

The other parties want to spend more. Even Europe was egging FG to spend more.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/business/irish/start-acting-like-a-rich-country-ibec-and-eu-call-for-infrastructure-38993983.html

The whole system is one big joke.

We need to reduce taxes,spend less and reform public services.

Spending on 25 year leases for social housing rather than building social housing might be a start.
Not using the same off shore contractor for mobile, water metering, broadband, hospital beds, might be another.

Spending our money on good deals rather than sweet, Holding incompetent ministers to account would be nice too.

Any system is only as good as those running it.
I once voted for a party ran on 'change the way we do business', but that was a con.

landofthetree

Bowie wrote: »

Spending on 25 year leases for social housing rather than building social housing might be a start.
Not using the same off shore contractor for mobile, water metering, broadband, hospital beds, might be another.

Spending our money on good deals rather than sweet, Holding incompetent ministers to account would be nice too.

Any system is only as good as those running it.
I once voted for a party ran on 'change the way we do business', but that was a con.

Social housing is too expensive. It costs a fortune to be maintained.

Even the Nordic countries have stop building them.

padd b1975

Lyan wrote: »

lol Sinn-tards once in a lifetime election victory killed by Corona. I'll be voting for the blue shirts next. Heil O'Duffy and may covid reign long.

You have to be eighteen to vote.

James Brown

landofthetree wrote: »

Social housing is too expensive. It costs a fortune to be maintained.

Even the Nordic countries have stop building them.

All I can tell you is matters were/are made worse with the current model.
Everything is open to adjustment. Putting private concerns above the tax payer isn't trickling down anything but blame and bills.

We need a government that treats everyone equally not looking after vested interests and treating the majority like an inconvenience to be fobbed off or ignored.

LeinsterDub

landofthetree wrote: »

Social housing is too expensive. It costs a fortune to be maintained.

Even the Nordic countries have stop building them.

Not building social housing is even more expensive as we've seen

RandomViewer

If we have another election my only suggestion is that none of the current TD s should be allowed run. Clean sweep, New blood ,

landofthetree

landofthetree wrote: »

Social housing is too expensive. It costs a fortune to be maintained.

Even the Nordic countries have stop building them.

This is never, ever mentioned in the cost of social housing for some reason.

I think we do need social housing though.

I voted for one of the smaller parties, would probably stick with them.

James Brown

Deleted User wrote: »

This is never, ever mentioned in the cost of social housing for some reason.

I think we do need social housing though.

I voted for one of the smaller parties, would probably stick with them.

Any maintenance can be discussed, who is obliged to do what etc. They have tenancy agreements. As with any arrears these can be addressed.
Also you still have housing stock after 25 years, unlike with leasing.
What we do know is leasing and renting from private concerns doesn't seem to be helping. Value for money should be the goal.

Bowie

Bowie wrote: »

Any maintenance can be discussed, who is obliged to do what etc. They have tenancy agreements. As with any arrears these can be addressed.
Also you still have housing stock after 25 years, unlike with leasing.
What we do know is leasing and renting from private concerns doesn't seem to be helping. Value for money should be the goal.

I dunno, DCC is owed 33 million in back rent alone, that's before they spend anything on maintenance. The current system clearly needs work, imo.

Mad_maxx

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Not building social housing is even more expensive as we've seen

paying rent in social housing is optional which makes it very expensive indeed

at least by outsourcing it to the private sector , the fool who owns the house gets to deal with the deadbeat tenant and fix the house whenever need be

add to that the tax take from the private rental sector is very high

the current model is the cheaper option , local authorities have no interest in being in the business of managing properties if they can avoid it

Mad_maxx

Deleted User wrote: »

I dunno, DCC is owed 33 million in back rent alone, that's before they spend anything on maintenance. The current system clearly needs work, imo.

SF, PBP , plus the likes of Fr Peter Mc Verry from the poverty industry , oppose all evictions so moral hazard is rife

ILoveYourVibes

No idea.

Mad_maxx

Mad_maxx wrote: »

SF, PBP , plus the likes of Fr Peter Mc Verry from the poverty industry , oppose all evictions so moral hazard is rife

It's definitely an issue. I've asked a few hard left people how they would deal with people who refuse to pay their rent on social housing and most don't really have a plan for it.

ILoveYourVibes

Savecoronabeer wrote: »

I'd vote for Sein Fein. I've never had an interest in voting for them but someone always brings them up in a facebook, reddit or boards post constantly so there must be some good to them.

I've been considering it.

The only thing is the lack of intellectual freedom.

You can't criticize them or their followers shut you down. Its putting me off.

There is no room for debate. There is no room for criticism and personal opinion.

LeinsterDub

Mad_maxx wrote: »

paying rent in social housing is optional which makes it very expensive indeed

at least by outsourcing it to the private sector , the fool who owns the house gets to deal with the deadbeat tenant and fix the house whenever need be

add to that the tax take from the private rental sector is very high

the current model is the cheaper option , local authorities have no interest in being in the business of managing properties if they can avoid it

Simple solution take rent at source. Also not having a functional social housing system costs us all by hyper inflating the price of property

LeinsterDub

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I dunno, DCC is owed 33 million in back rent alone, that's before they spend anything on maintenance. The current system clearly needs work, imo.

They are owed more in back rates. Back rent is such a simple solution you'd have to wonder why it hasn't been implemented. Take rents at source

LeinsterDub

Mad_maxx wrote: »

SF, PBP , plus the likes of Fr Peter Mc Verry from the poverty industry , oppose all evictions so moral hazard is rife

'The poverty industry'!

That's one of the most discussing posts I've ever read on here about. He's a man who dedicated his life to help the poor

Prob sf/indos (no soc dems,where i am)

,though might spoil vote.....was on brink of spoiling last time!!

LeinsterDub

LeinsterDub wrote: »

They are owed more in back rates. Back rent is such a simple solution you'd have to wonder why it hasn't been implemented. Take rents at source

Will be a cold, cold day in hell before politicians take rent money directly from the dole or from lower income earners, rightly so imo.